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Crisis of masculinity

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Ironfist17

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Do you believe that our society is facing masculinity crisis due to overload of porn and video game content? Instead of communicating with people and learning how to live a real life many young people isolate themselves in their rooms. Playing games while chatting with your friends may seem like a nice substitute to the real life communication, but it's a completely different thing. Maybe that's why there are so many feminists out where because they can't find men capable to raise their potential children?
There is a research conducted by a leading Stanford psychologist who shares that point of view.
Porn and video game addiction leading to 'masculinity crisis', says Stanford psychologist - Science - News - The Independent
Is there any possible way to reverse the trend? I don't want to live in an effeminate society where gender roles are completely wrecked.
 
I'm not a gamer but I really don't see the connection between raising kids and playing video games. Shoot, aren't a lot of video games "masculine" in nature?
 
So they are saying that if we play too much videogames we end up like?

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There is no crisis of masculinity. There is only a lack of societal acceptance for people who view masculinity as the ability and willingness to punch people who are smaller than you. This evolution of society is centuries in the making and has nothing to do with video games.
 
i played tomb raider on playstation for a while, and my beard still grew ok. i also chose the princess on mario 2 a couple of times.
 
Paschendale said:
There is no crisis of masculinity. There is only a lack of societal acceptance for people who view masculinity as the ability and willingness to punch people who are smaller than you. This evolution of society is centuries in the making and has nothing to do with video games.
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Could you miss the point any worse? The point was that men are not interacting with people, but instead just playing video games and watching porn. This has nothing to do with fighting or bullying or any of that stuff. Geez.
 
Henrin said:
Could you miss the point any worse? The point was that men are not interacting with people, but instead just playing video games and watching porn. This has nothing to do with fighting or bullying or any of that stuff. Geez.
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this game is pretty masculine :

Kim Jong Golf - Free Game
 
I agree.


Most guys these days are less masculine due to social media and texting and gaming culture. That said women are more effeminate and more demanding of masculinity in men than ever before. All women, even liberal women, want and insist upon a hyper masculine man to be serious with. Show me the most liberal Austin Texas or NYC girl you can find I 100% guarantee you she's ****ing the hyper masculine guy and not the IT nerd guy. That's just biology 101 **** at work. You can't ever change that. The introverted she-men are simply going to have to learn to be more masculine if they ever want to elope with any woman above a 6. I don't care if she voted for Obama twice and will vote for Hillary, she's ****ing the 6ft tall guy in jeans, boots and wearing a cross necklace.


That all said I think in some form or another these issues among humans have always been present. 25% of the men get 95% of the quality *****. That will never change because those 25% of men are the manipulators, the most dedicated to getting their genetics spread. Again, biology 101. The 25% will focus on spreading their genetics, the other % will focus less so on it hence will get less *****.
 
Paschendale said:
There is no crisis of masculinity. There is only a lack of societal acceptance for people who view masculinity as the ability and willingness to punch people who are smaller than you. This evolution of society is centuries in the making and has nothing to do with video games.
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We have a generation of men who are uninterested in being fathers to their children. I'd call that pretty much a crisis of masculinity. We haven't raised men. Just... older adolescents, wishing to enjoy the benefits of adulthood while avoiding responsibility.
 
Ironfist17 said:
Do you believe that our society is facing masculinity crisis due to overload of porn and video game content? Instead of communicating with people and learning how to live a real life many young people isolate themselves in their rooms. Playing games while chatting with your friends may seem like a nice substitute to the real life communication, but it's a completely different thing. Maybe that's why there are so many feminists out where because they can't find men capable to raise their potential children?
There is a research conducted by a leading Stanford psychologist who shares that point of view.
Porn and video game addiction leading to 'masculinity crisis', says Stanford psychologist - Science - News - The Independent
Is there any possible way to reverse the trend? I don't want to live in an effeminate society where gender roles are completely wrecked.
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When we start with the fact that the definition of "masculinity" has changed so much over the centuries and millennium, there really can't be a crisis, at least not in terms of it disappearing. I do fear of society becoming less social. I find myself thinking of the movie Wall-E, where there were people ridding the transports and talking on a vid screen, with someone right next to them!
 
Ironfist17 said:
Do you believe that our society is facing masculinity crisis due to overload of porn and video game content? Instead of communicating with people and learning how to live a real life many young people isolate themselves in their rooms. Playing games while chatting with your friends may seem like a nice substitute to the real life communication, but it's a completely different thing. Maybe that's why there are so many feminists out where because they can't find men capable to raise their potential children?
There is a research conducted by a leading Stanford psychologist who shares that point of view.
Porn and video game addiction leading to 'masculinity crisis', says Stanford psychologist - Science - News - The Independent
Is there any possible way to reverse the trend? I don't want to live in an effeminate society where gender roles are completely wrecked.
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broadly, yes.
 
Ironfist17 said:
Do you believe that our society is facing masculinity crisis due to overload of porn and video game content? Instead of communicating with people and learning how to live a real life many young people isolate themselves in their rooms. Playing games while chatting with your friends may seem like a nice substitute to the real life communication, but it's a completely different thing. Maybe that's why there are so many feminists out where because they can't find men capable to raise their potential children?
There is a research conducted by a leading Stanford psychologist who shares that point of view.
Porn and video game addiction leading to 'masculinity crisis', says Stanford psychologist - Science - News - The Independent
Is there any possible way to reverse the trend? I don't want to live in an effeminate society where gender roles are completely wrecked.
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hmm...

He said: "Our focus is on young men who play video games to excess, and do it in social isolation - they are alone in their room."
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No one from the cast of The Big Bang Theory would relaly count, here, because they often aren't alone.

Alone is the difference, here. A lot of 'nerdy' people I know are NOT loners - they don't like being alone. They hang out with each other / go to parties (like gamer parties where they play D&D together ). My time with such friends was me being at my most outgoing in life.

Zimbardo gave a TED talk in 2011 outlining the problems facing young men's social development and academic achievement, which he puts down to excessive use of porn, video games and the internet.
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This is social-issue related. This is stuff like isolation, depression, etc. Instead of being with friends they're alone. Instead of being with a girlfriend they're getting off to porn. I just don't get his 'masculinity point' and how it relates. None of this is 'masculinity related'. *shrug*

Now oddly - in another article that we went over in depth maybe two years ago (general - here at the forum reference here) they talked about the sissification of males and that one author (I remember quite clearly) cited that the expectation to sit still and study things like science and history in a structured environment was harmful.

These guys that think we're having issues with sissification and masculinity and stuff - they need to decide what that even MEANS and come to a consensus among their selves because they're contradicting their own arguments left and right.



Paschendale said:
There is no crisis of masculinity. There is only a lack of societal acceptance for people who view masculinity as the ability and willingness to punch people who are smaller than you. This evolution of society is centuries in the making and has nothing to do with video games.
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I agree.

I always imagined, up until I was in my mid-20's, that guys who want to do nothing but watch porn and hang out with their 'bros' were being masculine through and through. Maybe fling some wrenches in the garage . . . and do this day I don't fully grasp what masculinity is supposed to be.

I know what it is in fiction romance. I know what it is in erotica. But in real life - it's a vague, empty word that means nothing.

You know - like this guy:

Giving an example of the mindset of a gaming and pornography-addicted young man, he says: "When I'm in class, I'll wish I was playing World of Warcraft. When I'm with a girl, I'll wish I was watching pornography, because I'll never get rejected."
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Yeah - that to me is what I imagined guys were always like - and that, to me, was the summary of 'masculine'.


But - really what suprises me here is that he's doing a study of TEENAGERS. What's normal for a teen boy anyway? They reference 'young men' but they only refer directly to a boy that was clearly still IN SCHOOL and A MOTHER who had a 'young man' for a sound. So . . . what age group are they studying? What's normal for a young man or boy who is HEALTHY in this regard?

I don't think this study he's done has shown anything of concern - boys are boys and they like sex (well - getting off - nevermind SEX) and it always has and always will dominate their mind. Nothing is new. He states that access to porn is new - but it's not. Porn's been around for centuries. Visual, written, etc. Fascination with sex toys and having sex with people in a harem so you don't have to build a relationship has been around just as long.

So he's concerned about the medium - if porn was in picture books circa 1880 Astrid Cane then he wouldn't be as concerned?
 
Ironfist17 said:
Do you believe that our society is facing masculinity crisis due to overload of porn and video game content? Instead of communicating with people and learning how to live a real life many young people isolate themselves in their rooms. Playing games while chatting with your friends may seem like a nice substitute to the real life communication, but it's a completely different thing. Maybe that's why there are so many feminists out where because they can't find men capable to raise their potential children?
There is a research conducted by a leading Stanford psychologist who shares that point of view.
Porn and video game addiction leading to 'masculinity crisis', says Stanford psychologist - Science - News - The Independent
Is there any possible way to reverse the trend? I don't want to live in an effeminate society where gender roles are completely wrecked.
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While these are not helping there are other issues at play here.

1. porn not only ruins lives but relationships. you come to expect that your women will be like that and when she doesn't live up to those standards disappointment exists.
plenty of relationships and marriages are destroyed over porn every day.

2. video games are good in doses but it shouldn't run your life.

the bigger issue is that men aren't that role model for their kids that they should be. this generation is always blaming someone else instead of taking responsibility for their own
actions. part of being a man is accepting the consequences of your actions.

it is learning the skills needed to be responsible for your family when the time comes.
 
PoS said:
So they are saying that if we play too much videogames we end up like?

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No, like this;

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Seriously, there's a documentary about these folks who think they're real life super heroes. It's really interesting.
 
I can't help to notice that the underlining point of men opting out has been ignored by many of the posters in this thread. You might want to look into what men are thinking and why they are deciding to go the route they are going. People should keep in mind this same trend is happening all around the modern world.

Anyway, to call this a crisis of masculinity is ignorant as this has nothing to do with masculinity.
 
i want to live in a society with less attitudes like yours

Masculinity is a social construct - whatever our culture decides it is. Even if we decide it's the ability to punch someone's face in, nothing about spending time indoors, or wearing a dress, or sucking dick, or whatever else you disapprove of precludes that. All you need for that is a weight room and someone to punch.

Did you stop to think that if people hole themselves up in their rooms and stay isolated, it's cause they find the "real world" undesirable, and maybe it's not just their fault? Or that it's none of your business how others live?
 
Henrin said:
Could you miss the point any worse? The point was that men are not interacting with people, but instead just playing video games and watching porn. This has nothing to do with fighting or bullying or any of that stuff. Geez.
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That premise is just nonsense. There is no shortage of social interaction, and short-sighted people have been claiming that whatever new technology we have will render us unable to relate to each other since the invention of the printing press. It was absurd then, and it's absurd now.

Meanwhile, I was mostly responding to the other premise, that there's some kind of decline in masculinity. There isn't. Masculinity is just growing up.

cpwill said:
We have a generation of men who are uninterested in being fathers to their children.
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No, we don't. There were always deadbeat dads, and there aren't more now than there were in generations past. It's probably the opposite. But it's a favorite thing to harp on because so many people think that Leave it to Beaver was a documentary and not a TV show.
 
I'm noticing a trend of girls going after butchy, "manly" GQ models to have sex with, but they go for the nerdier type to marry. The nerdier types are smarter, funnier and more likely to not end up as a used car salesman in a bad part of town.

Personally, I like nerdy guys. I'd much rather date a nerdy guy who is on my level intellectually, than date some douchebag jock who doesn't know **** from shinola.
 
Superfly said:
Oh no. Best go shave your beard and start watching "The Notebook."
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i actually love that movie. no bull****.

must have been the video games.
 
Ryan5 said:
I agree.

Most guys these days are less masculine due to social media and texting and gaming culture. That said women are more effeminate and more demanding of masculinity in men than ever before. All women, even liberal women, want and insist upon a hyper masculine man to be serious with. Show me the most liberal Austin Texas or NYC girl you can find I 100% guarantee you she's ****ing the hyper masculine guy and not the IT nerd guy. That's just biology 101 **** at work. You can't ever change that. The introverted she-men are simply going to have to learn to be more masculine if they ever want to elope with any woman above a 6. I don't care if she voted for Obama twice and will vote for Hillary, she's ****ing the 6ft tall guy in jeans, boots and wearing a cross necklace.

That all said I think in some form or another these issues among humans have always been present. 25% of the men get 95% of the quality *****. That will never change because those 25% of men are the manipulators, the most dedicated to getting their genetics spread. Again, biology 101. The 25% will focus on spreading their genetics, the other % will focus less so on it hence will get less *****.
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This is a most illuminating post.
 
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