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Who’s Next? Trump Crossed a Line with Soleimani’s Assassination

BahamaBob said:
This whole incident totally exposes the Democrat (Socialist) agenda. Iran and Russia are close allies. They are currently involved in joint Naval maneuvers. Soleimani was a close confidant of Putin. He had just recently returned from Russia where the two met for several days. Iran is the biggest supporter of terrorism in the world. Iran has been arming and training terrorists for decades. Soleimani has been the leader of these terrorists and controller of their actions. These actions includes the killing of countless Americans and attacking our embassy. Soleimani was declared a terrorist by both the Bush and Obama administrations.

Trump takes this POS out. No one on either side of the isle says he didn't deserve it. However, the Democrats are up in arms and passed a resolution that Trump can no longer take actions against the "biggest supporter of terrorism in the world" Iran. Why would the Democrats protect this ilk? The answer is clear, their Socialist leader Putin told them to. Putin's friends pumped $145 million into the Clinton Foundation, Putin's friends helped them put together the Steel Dossier, on an on. The Democrats are up to their ears in debt to Putin and he wants the killing of his buddies off the table. Putin says jump and the Democrats say how high. This is clear as glass.
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BahamaBob said:
This whole incident totally exposes the Democrat (Socialist) agenda. Iran and Russia are close allies. They are currently involved in joint Naval maneuvers. Soleimani was a close confidant of Putin. He had just recently returned from Russia where the two met for several days. Iran is the biggest supporter of terrorism in the world. Iran has been arming and training terrorists for decades. Soleimani has been the leader of these terrorists and controller of their actions. These actions includes the killing of countless Americans and attacking our embassy. Soleimani was declared a terrorist by both the Bush and Obama administrations.

Trump takes this POS out. No one on either side of the isle says he didn't deserve it. However, the Democrats are up in arms and passed a resolution that Trump can no longer take actions against the "biggest supporter of terrorism in the world" Iran. Why would the Democrats protect this ilk? The answer is clear, their Socialist leader Putin told them to. Putin's friends pumped $145 million into the Clinton Foundation, Putin's friends helped them put together the Steel Dossier, on an on. The Democrats are up to their ears in debt to Putin and he wants the killing of his buddies off the table. Putin says jump and the Democrats say how high. This is clear as glass.
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Russia and iran are not as close as you think, until within the last year they have been allies economically not militarily, in fact russia has been hesitent to sell iran anything due to their nature of reverse engineering russians big money makers.

What you see now is iran taking on alliance they never would have before. Russia tried marching in when the shah was overthrown like they were welcome only to be kicked to the curb just like americans were, iran is a unified nation that prefers to be uncontrolled by outside forces, the mere fact they would end up in a military allieance with russian means they need larger nations help.
 
beerftw said:
Russia and iran are not as close as you think, until within the last year they have been allies economically not militarily, in fact russia has been hesitent to sell iran anything due to their nature of reverse engineering russians big money makers.

What you see now is iran taking on alliance they never would have before. Russia tried marching in when the shah was overthrown like they were welcome only to be kicked to the curb just like americans were, iran is a unified nation that prefers to be uncontrolled by outside forces, the mere fact they would end up in a military allieance with russian means they need larger nations help.
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The reason Russia has few allies is they don't help anyone. They use them. Iran is getting desperate and Russia is always looking for a new puppet. Funny that a unified nation would see the need to kill hundreds of it's own people.
 
BahamaBob said:
The reason Russia has few allies is they don't help anyone. They use them. Iran is getting desperate and Russia is always looking for a new puppet. Funny that a unified nation would see the need to kill hundreds of it's own people.
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Considering what other nations have killed of their own people iran is very unified, shia a decent portion of sunni cheistians jews druze etc have been very loyal to iran due to the fact iran even being a theocracy has also been a constitutional republic, and their republic protects minorities and all races, religions.

They remain loyal to their countries name as well as a nation that keeps a crapton of warring factions at bay, very few places left in the middle east you can feel safe being non sunni but iran is one of them, because again they are a unified people by country which is very rare in the middle east as most unify by tribe or religion.

Russia has more allies than you think, as does iran. The countries with nearly no alliances are countries like north korea, they have china but even china only keeps them around as a buffer zone.
 
I have actually been shaking my head over this for days now.

For years, the Iranian line has been that they are not involved in Iraq. That all of the actions are purely an internal matter, angy at the US being there. And then we had an attack on our embassy, which not only is typical of Iran,but they once again said was done entirely by Iraqi citizens.

And then, we kill one of their top generals in Iraq, just after an attack on our embassy that has been connected to Iran. And people are mad at the US?

First, why was an Iranian general there in the first place? And why was he helping insurgents in Iraq?

And no, I see nothing wrong with this at all. He is a military target, on the ground in a war zone. I feel no more sorry than if this has been a Soviet general killed in North Vietnam, or if it was a US General that was killed in Afghanistan during the Afghan-Soviet War. And even during the Cold War, both the US and Soviets realized this. They put officers in harms way in war zones, some of them will be killed. That is what war is about after all.

But what does piss me off is the politicians and other talking heads screaming about it in our own country. To me, that would be like screaming if a Chinese general was killed in the Korean War.
 
beerftw said:
Considering what other nations have killed of their own people iran is very unified, shia a decent portion of sunni cheistians jews druze etc have been very loyal to iran due to the fact iran even being a theocracy has also been a constitutional republic, and their republic protects minorities and all races, religions.
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Sorry, not true at all.

Prior to the 1979 revolution, there were over 80,000 Jews in Iran. Today, that number is believed to be around 8,500. Huge numbers fled after the revolution, and since then. The remainders are now mostly trapped and powerless. Their last newspaper was shut down in 1991, and they are forbidden to emigrate. And for decades reports have been slipped out talking about disenfranchisement, being forced to live and work in only select areas and jobs, and being tightly controlled by the government.

What is left is not "very loyal",they are essentially in a prison. Most left decades ago, the remainders know that speaking out against their government can condemn them and their families to death.
 
Oozlefinch said:
Sorry, not true at all.

Prior to the 1979 revolution, there were over 80,000 Jews in Iran. Today, that number is believed to be around 8,500. Huge numbers fled after the revolution, and since then. The remainders are now mostly trapped and powerless. Their last newspaper was shut down in 1991, and they are forbidden to emigrate. And for decades reports have been slipped out talking about disenfranchisement, being forced to live and work in only select areas and jobs, and being tightly controlled by the government.

What is left is not "very loyal",they are essentially in a prison. Most left decades ago, the remainders know that speaking out against their government can condemn them and their families to death.
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You would be correct I messed up mentioning jews, they are protected by iran but they are in dwindling numbers and most of their community left despite being a protected religion. For the rest of iran christianity is actually a growing movement there, and shia islam is the major religion.

Iran is a country that holds itself together through national unity and by removing those who attempt to devide based on religion or ethnicity(often in very brutal ways)
 
beerftw said:
Iran is a country that holds itself together through national unity and by removing those who attempt to devide based on religion or ethnicity(often in very brutal ways)
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The regime murders all LGBT.
 
ecofarm said:
The regime murders all LGBT.
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So does the whole middle east, much of asia, africa etc, if we attacked countries that prosecuted lgbt we would be enemies of most of the world, which is a sad reality.
 
beerftw said:
Considering what other nations have killed of their own people iran is very unified, shia a decent portion of sunni cheistians jews druze etc have been very loyal to iran due to the fact iran even being a theocracy has also been a constitutional republic, and their republic protects minorities and all races, religions.

They remain loyal to their countries name as well as a nation that keeps a crapton of warring factions at bay, very few places left in the middle east you can feel safe being non sunni but iran is one of them, because again they are a unified people by country which is very rare in the middle east as most unify by tribe or religion.

Russia has more allies than you think, as does iran. The countries with nearly no alliances are countries like north korea, they have china but even china only keeps them around as a buffer zone.
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Gag me with a spoon, then tell the Kurds how well Iran treats minorities.
 
BahamaBob said:
Gag me with a spoon, then tell the Kurds how well Iran treats minorities.
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Better than the vast majority of the middle east, outside of terrorist cells inside kurdish territories iran has not been oppressing the kurds anymore than other nations, infact probably less. There was the whole issue off the pkk sister group in iran doing bombings and assassinations against civilian and military targets in iran, but that same group was also listed by turkey and the united states as a terrorist org.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Who’s Next? Trump Crossed a Line with Soleimani’s Assassination

The Iranian was much more than a general. Who else is Trump willing to kill?

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As the New York Times reported, the Pentagon presented Donald Trump with a long list of potential Iranian targets. The type of targets that both Iran and the US understood to be fair game in their decades-long "twilight or shadow war". This mutual understanding didn't include killing the General that is arguably the second most powerful/influential official in the Iranian government. While there is no denying that Qassem Soleimani was an individual with very bloody hands, his blatant assassination by the United States (read Donald Trump) changes the calculus in the ME. It may have been an immediate "feel-good" strike to take his mind and the media headlines far away from impeachment, but this decision will have serious and long-term consequences for America in the Middle East, the likes of which we can only guess at. The first consequence could very well be the Iraq government expelling US forces from Iraqi territory. Trump has now doubled-down on his seemingly boundless stupidity, threatening to destroy cultural sites in Iran. Unless such sites are serving a military purpose, such destruction would constitute a war crime under international conventions and various US military manuals. The elephant-in-the-room retribution by Iran could very well be the twilight-targeting of a US government/military official. Remember, Tehran didn't change the twilight-war rules, this was strictly Donald Trump's doing.

Related: As Tensions With Iran Escalated, Trump Opted for Most Extreme Measure
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Just because someone wears a uniform does not mean he/she can't be a terrorist. The Saudi 2nd Lt. who killed 3 sailors at Pensacola Naval Air Station was ruled a terrorist. Solemani was a terrorist and a legal target under our ROE.
 
beerftw said:
Better than the vast majority of the middle east, outside of terrorist cells inside kurdish territories iran has not been oppressing the kurds anymore than other nations, infact probably less. There was the whole issue off the pkk sister group in iran doing bombings and assassinations against civilian and military targets in iran, but that same group was also listed by turkey and the united states as a terrorist org.
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Don't blame me when you get caught in a lie. You are the one who yammered on how well Iran treats others. It is just not true. They have no tolerance for anyone who is not of their faith. By the way, your others treat them badly too defense is lame.
 
BahamaBob said:
Don't blame me when you get caught in a lie. You are the one who yammered on how well Iran treats others. It is just not true. They have no tolerance for anyone who is not of their faith. By the way, your others treat them badly too defense is lame.
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You should probably research iran, and how they protect minority religions and ethnicities. The countries that have no tolerance are almost always sunni run nations, like for example for the longest time lebanon with is heavily shia has had christin shia and sunni positions in govt, with different sects sharing, vs countries like saudi arabia where being anything but sunni outside their designated areas is bad news.
 
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beerftw said:
You should probably research iran, and how they protect minority religions and ethnicities. The countries that have no tolerance are almost always sunni run nations, like for example for the longest time lebanon with is heavily shia has had christin shia and sunni positions in govt, with different sects sharing, vs countries like saudi arabia where being anything but sunni outside their designated areas is bad news.
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There is the propaganda, then there is the reality.

Check out this data from Amnesty International:

Despite constitutional guarantees of equality, individuals belonging to minorities in Iran, who are believed to number about half of the population of about 70 millions, are subject to an array of discriminatory laws and practices. These include land and property confiscations, denial of state and para-statal employment under the gozinesh criteria and restrictions on social, cultural, linguistic and religious freedoms which often result in other human rights violations such as the imprisonment of prisoners of conscience, grossly unfair trials of political prisoners before Revolutionary Courts, corporal punishment and use of the death penalty, as well as restrictions on movement and denial of other civil rights.
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https://www.amnesty.org/download/Documents/64000/mde130202007en.pdf

One thing about Iran, their government has been shown to say one thing, and do yet something else entirely. Just look at their recent announcements about the shooting down the the Ukrainian Jet, where it took them days to admit that yea, they actually did shoot it down. After saying for days that any claims they did so were all lies. And if not for the video evidence they would probably still be screaming it is a lie.

In fact, as a regular reader of Fars,I find it interesting that in the first days after the downing, it was full of reports about how the US was lying, that the jet suffered a critical failure due to the plane being made in the US, and anything else is a lie.

Today, all those articles are gone. Instead you find only the minimal reports, and they are only paragraph sized blurbs, calling it the "Ukrainian Jet Incident".

FarsNews Agency - Iran: Funeral Ceremony for Ukrainian Plane Incident in Tehran

You simply can not trust what is reported out of Iran. I have been reading their official news for over a decade however, and mostly study what is omitted, not what is reported.
 
beerftw said:
You should probably research iran, and how they protect minority religions and ethnicities. The countries that have no tolerance are almost always sunni run nations, like for example for the longest time lebanon with is heavily shia has had christin shia and sunni positions in govt, with different sects sharing, vs countries like saudi arabia where being anything but sunni outside their designated areas is bad news.
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News flash, we are not discussing Lebanon or Saudi Arabia. Like I said earlier, your other countries are bad too defense is lame. Iran is probably the most intolerant country in the Middle East. They murder and imprison anyone who disagrees with supreme leader. Women are treated like animals and minorities are open game.
 
BahamaBob said:
Iran is probably the most intolerant country in the Middle East. They murder and imprison anyone who disagrees with supreme leader.
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Saudi Arabia gives Iran a run for its money in just about every category.
 
BahamaBob said:
News flash, we are not discussing Lebanon or Saudi Arabia. Like I said earlier, your other countries are bad too defense is lame. Iran is probably the most intolerant country in the Middle East. They murder and imprison anyone who disagrees with supreme leader. Women are treated like animals and minorities are open game.
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Iran has a major christian population as well as zorastrian or however it is spelled as well as other minor religions non existent in sunni run nations. Syria which is shia alawite run has even more minorities like druze and assyrians. In the middle eastt the countries with tolerance are either shia run or secular run govts, with sunni govts being flat out oppressive. An example of secular govt is egypt who had the muslim brotherhood for a while but got taken back by the military, egypt has the largest concentration of christians in the middle east, and has decent relations with israel and every other govt.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Saudi Arabia gives Iran a run for its money in just about every category.
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So what. That excuses Iran? By the way Saudi Arabia is starting to loosen up. They are even letting women drive and travel without a male guardian. Not so in Iran, off with your head if you aren't dressed appropriately.
 
Re: Who’s Next? Trump Crossed a Line with Soleimani’s Assassination

There is an interesting and somewhat flattering article in The Atlantic of all venues. Outline - Read & annotate without distractions

Although Trump’s foreign-policy strategy (if one even accepts that there is such a thing) has many limits, his unpredictability and, most critically, his willingness to escalate a crisis using the United States’ military and economic strength has turned the tables on Iran in a way few thought possible. What is more, the strike has exposed the gaping irrelevance of Europe’s leading powers—Britain, France, and Germany—in this whole crisis. The “E3,” which have long sought to keep the Iranian nuclear deal alive by undermining the U.S. policy of “maximum pressure” on Iran, have so far failed to do so. This week, they were finally forced to admit the apparently terminal collapse of the Obama-era nuclear deal, releasing a joint statement to announce that they were triggering its “dispute resolution” clause because of Tehran’s failure to abide by the terms of the agreement. The reality of the situation is startling: Europe’s attempts to keep the deal alive have achieved little in Tehran because of the Continent’s powerlessness. And European opposition to Trump’s Iran policy has achieved even less in Washington. In an interview, Boris Johnson all but admitted defeat in keeping the nuclear deal alive, calling instead for a new “Trump deal.”​
 
BahamaBob said:
So what. That excuses Iran? By the way Saudi Arabia is starting to loosen up. They are even letting women drive and travel without a male guardian. Not so in Iran, off with your head if you aren't dressed appropriately.
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Women have been driving in Iran for years.
 
AlphaOmega said:
Democrats lament over the death of a terrorist who participated in the killing of 100s of Americans. They are currently trying to remove a sitting president for political reasons. If anyone is confused as to whether these dems are traitors, you shouldn't be.
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I don't think it is the average democrat who is the problem it is the party.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
I don't think it is the average democrat who is the problem it is the party.
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Most democrats if not all I have talked to want him impeached. One told me he wishes he would die slowly and painfully of a heart attack.
 
AlphaOmega said:
Most democrats if not all I have talked to want him impeached. One told me he wishes he would die slowly and painfully of a heart attack.
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The good people of Germany shouted Heil Hitler. That is the power of the Media and hate. Media justice and media hate are destroying this country not just dividing this country.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
The good people of Germany shouted Heil Hitler. That is the power of the Media and hate. Media justice and media hate are destroying this country not just dividing this country.
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Sanders supporters are the worst. One shot up the congressional baseball team. Another promised this " Sanders Iowa campaign organizer Kyle Jurek, who vowed violence against cops and burning cities if Sanders loses and Soviet-style gulags if Sanders wins". If you think Bernie discourages this you are wrong. This man is still under his employ.
 
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