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    Re: Taliban battle into west Afghan city in new crisis for government

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    Well, maybe the last President should have submitted it before Congress.
    I agree, but you didn't bother to ask. Unless there exists a time machine, we can't go back and rectify Bush/Obama presidential mistakes.

    Even so, that's no justification for Trump compounding past miscalculations.

    https://www.debatepolitics.com/milit...post1068558130 (U.S. effort to stabilize Afghanistan is $5 billion failure, watchdog says)

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    Re: Taliban battle into west Afghan city in new crisis for government

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    I agree, but you didn't bother to ask. Unless there exists a time machine, we can't go back and rectify Bush/Obama presidential mistakes.

    Even so, that's no justification for Trump compounding past miscalculations.
    Oh, but we can. Since it was only an EO, it can be stricken by another EO.

    At least part of the problem solved.
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    Re: Taliban battle into west Afghan city in new crisis for government

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    "War is horror. The more horrible it is, the sooner it will be over" - William T. Sherman

    Sherman would have marched through the Geneva Conventions. He woulda torched 'em. As it was Sherman fought Confederates and Indians which is like Israel rolling over Arab armies in six days or less. Sherman deservedly was a significant general in US history but his philosophy was only half applied in WW II if that much. Sherman's approach was applied against Japan mostly, from the air, in the firebombing of a long list of cities. Then came Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It's all beyond the pale today and for a long time now.





    Afghanistan has an estimated $1 Trillion of natural resources that are waiting to be extracted by its bordering countries. At the China corridor with AStan they're lined up. Iran to the west could grab all or a substantial part of the country. Pakistan the eastern areas. India would face stronger neighbors that are adverse to it. Russia could not simply stand by. Pentagon strategy is to maintain the integrity of the country's borders while engaging the Taliban and other destabilizing forces. It is a necessary and indefinite strategy as it must be in the present time and circumstance. Afghanistan is a legitimate holding action. Accept it and live with it. Vietnam it ain't nor is it Iraq. Nor does it have a Gadhafi.
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    Re: Taliban battle into west Afghan city in new crisis for government

    What the Long, Corruption-Enabling, Mostly Failed Afghanistan-Stabilization Effort Tells Us

    What is boils down to is providing what the locals desire, not what we desire for the locals.

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    Re: Taliban battle into west Afghan city in new crisis for government

    Army Chief of Staff General Mark Milley is reorienting the force to focus on urban warfare. The fact more than addresses the OP focus on the current battle in Afghanistan for the city of Farah at the border with Iran. Although Afghan forces are carrying to battle to defend the city and province the newly developing US Army approach to the old snafu of fighting urban warfare would benefit armed forces in countries the US trains, equips, supports.



    Chief: Army Will Need Smaller Units for Megacity Combat



    Tokyo at night.


    The Army's chief of staff said Tuesday that in about 10 years, the service must be ready to fight in megacities, a type of warfare that will require future units to resemble today's special operations forces.

    Gen. Mark Milley said that the character of warfare will likely go through a fundamental shift over the next decade. The world's population is steadily moving toward living in megacities. Currently, there are about a dozen of these huge urban areas with populations of more than 10 million. By mid-century, "we are going to have at least 50 or more," Milley said.




    General Mark A. Milley


    If war is about politics, it is going to be fought where people live, and "it will be fought, in my opinion, in urban areas," he said. "That has huge implications for the United States Army." The service has been primarily designed to fight in woodland and desert environments with rolling terrain, the chief said, adding that the service has the capability but is less suited for jungle, mountain and urban warfare.

    "So what this means then is that we are going to have to optimize the Army for urban warfare," he said. This has implications for equipment, from the "width, size and weight of tanks" to the "rotor-span of helicopters," the general said. Truly preparing for urban warfare will mean redesigning fighting units to better cope with the compartmenting nature of city streets, buildings, floors and rooms, he said.

    "The Army will definitely have to organize differently, probably into smaller, more compartmented groups," Milley said. "We will have to have, what I think, is a lot of relatively small formations that are networked and can leverage Air Force and naval-delivered joint fires." "If you think of how some of our special operations operate today, that may be a preview of how large your Army operates in the future," Milley said. "That doesn't mean you do away with battalions and brigades, but the fighting element will probably end up having to be a much smaller entity."


    https://www.military.com/daily-news/...ty-combat.html




    Gen. Milley was Special Ops commander in Afghanistan, commanded the 10th Mountain Division in Iraq and had been deputy commander of the 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault).





    Conflict in Large and Complex Urban Terrain is a Prominent Feature of 21st Century Warfare

    Into just its 17th year, warfare in the 21st century has been notably urban in character. Consider the abundance of urban battles and campaigns that have occurred in just under two decades: Grozny; Nablus; Baghdad; Fallujah; Bint Jbeil; Nahr al-Bared; Tskhinvali; Rio de Janeiro, Gaza; Donetsk; Aleppo; etc. These conflicts are only the continuation of a trend towards the urbanization of conflict that intensified in the 20th century (reference Stalingrad, Manila, Hue City, etc.). Recent conflicts such as the Third Battle of Fallujah, operations in Yemen, and the ongoing Mosul campaign suggest that this trend towards urban conflict is not going away.

    On the Likelihood of Large Urban Conflict in the 21st Century | Small Wars Journal








    The Army Needs an Urban Warfare School and it Needs it Soon

    The military strategist Sun Tzu advised that “the worst policy is to attack cities. Attack cities only when there is no alternative.” Military forces prefer not to fight in cities for good reasons. With infinite enemy locations, vertical and subterranean confined spaces, massive civilian populations that can be injured or killed, and psychologically taxing operational requirements, it’s no wonder past urban battles have been described as combat in hell. But alongside Sun Tzu’s maxim sits another, equally venerated in military circles: the enemy has a vote. From the sack of Troy to the ongoing fight against ISIS in Mosul, military operations have been forced into cities, and will continue to be. Cities provide a witches’ brew of potential instability, conflict, adversary safe havens, and violence.

    https://mwi.usma.edu/army-needs-urba...ol-needs-soon/


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