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cop acquitted of murder captured on video

justabubba said:
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those simple instructions?
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Yeah. If you're confused then ask the cop to clarify.

This summer I was pulled over on my way back from Phoenix. The cop asked me for my license which was in my back, right pocket. I also had a pistol (concealed) on my hip right where I was going to need to reach. I told the cop about the pistol while leaving my hands right where they were. He asked me a bunch of questions and we agreed on how I was going to disarm. I informed him of every move I was going to make including that, as a change to our prior plan, I could give him the gun holster and all. He agreed to the change. Nobody got shot. There were no hard feelings. There were no tears or threats. There was simply an understanding that we both wanted to go on our way safely.
 
Lutherf said:
Yeah. If you're confused then ask the cop to clarify.

This summer I was pulled over on my way back from Phoenix. The cop asked me for my license which was in my back, right pocket. I also had a pistol (concealed) on my hip right where I was going to need to reach. I told the cop about the pistol while leaving my hands right where they were. He asked me a bunch of questions and we agreed on how I was going to disarm. I informed him of every move I was going to make including that, as a change to our prior plan, I could give him the gun holster and all. He agreed to the change. Nobody got shot. There were no hard feelings. There were no tears or threats. There was simply an understanding that we both wanted to go on our way safely.
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So the guy face-down on the ground with his feet crossed and his hands in the air is told he's about to be shot if he doesn't keep his hands up. Then he's given a screaming order to crawl across the floor, and he's supposed to stop and ask for clarification? wtf?
 
GhostlyJoe said:
Of course: Twitch and die! Freedom!

Citizens lives are apparently forfeit if there's even a remote possibility that a cop could possibly maybe be in any danger whatsoever. lol. What a joke.
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The cops were responding to a call of someone making threatening moves with a handgun. Their response was amped up accordingly and was fairly standard procedure for taking a felony suspect into custody.
 
Funny how the people who scream that the government is too big, too powerful and is turning into a police state ALWAYS, and I mean ALWAYS defend the police and the government when it acts like a police state.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
So the guy face-down on the ground with his feet crossed and his hands in the air is told he's about to be shot if he doesn't keep his hands up. Then he's given a screaming order to crawl across the floor, and he's supposed to stop and ask for clarification? wtf?
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His girlfriend figured it out. Hell, he even had the opportunity to watch her and see how it was done. He decided to do his own thing. It was bad decision.
 
Lutherf said:
The cops were responding to a call of someone making threatening moves with a handgun. Their response was amped up accordingly and was fairly standard procedure for taking a felony suspect into custody.
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Shouting contradictory demands at gunpoint is standard procedure? lol. That in itself is a problem, no?

It's like you're completely incapable of seeing this from the suspect's perspective.
 
Lutherf said:
His girlfriend figured it out. Hell, he even had the opportunity to watch her and see how it was done. He decided to do his own thing. It was bad decision.
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Killing him was a worse decision. Cop should fry. This is not justice.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
Shouting contradictory demands at gunpoint is standard procedure? lol. That in itself is a problem, no?

It's like you're completely incapable of seeing this from the suspect's perspective.
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I know this is hard for some people to understand but when the cops have you at gunpoint it's a bad idea to take that opportunity to be an idiot.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
Killing him was a worse decision. Cop should fry. This is not justice.
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Actually, the cop should have wasted him when he reached behind his back the first time.
 
Lutherf said:
Actually, the cop should have wasted him when he reached behind his back the first time.
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Of course. Freedom! I find your arguments personally repulsive.
 
Lutherf said:
When the guy reached behind with both hands I figured it was over for him. I have no idea why the cop hesitated so long at that point. The cop probably had the same thought going through his head and made a conscious decision not to put himself in that position again.
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This is why police officers are concerned when people do not follow instructions.
DO NOT put your hand in a pocket or behind your back! Follow their instructions.
The officer getting shot is at the 48 second mark. He told the suspect over and over to get his hand of of his pocket.

 
Common Sense 1 said:
This is why police officers are concerned when people do not follow instructions.
DO NOT put your hand in a pocket or behind your back! Follow their instructions.
The officer getting shot is at the 48 second mark. He told the suspect over and over to get his hand of of his pocket.

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Being an officer is a tough and dangerous job. Doesn't make it OK to murder people.
 
Lutherf said:
I know this is hard for some people to understand but when the cops have you at gunpoint it's a bad idea to take that opportunity to be an idiot.
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It's always good to know which people support the killing of unarmed innocent people for completely arbitrary reasons.
 
Slyfox696 said:
It's always good to know which people support the killing of unarmed innocent people for completely arbitrary reasons.
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There was nothing arbitrary about why the cops were there or why the guy got himself shot.
 
Lutherf said:
I know this is hard for some people to understand but when the cops have you at gunpoint it's a bad idea to take that opportunity to be an idiot.
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That goes for any situation. It isn't hard to listen and follow directions.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
Being an officer is a tough and dangerous job. Doesn't make it OK to murder people.
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He reached behind his back when he was told not to.
Maybe if he had been screaming less and listening to instruction he would be alive.

Obviously his gf was able to do it and she wasn't shot.
Amazing isn't it.
 
Lutherf said:
Sucks that the guy had such a problem following simple instructions.
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He was scared as **** with a guy pointing a gun SCREAMING I am going to shoot you. :roll:
 
Bodhisattva said:
He was scared as **** with a guy pointing a gun SCREAMING I am going to shoot you. :roll:
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Scared or not, he made a couple of incredibly stupid decisions. Believe me, that cop was experiencing his own pucker moment too.
 
MaggieD said:
Charging him was wrong. The verdict was correct.
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Charging him was correct. Guilty too...

Is there some reason, with legs crossed... hands interlaced behind his had laying face down that the cops could walk the ten feet to the guy and just pat him down and cuff him? Easily done.
 
Lutherf said:
There was nothing arbitrary about why the cops were there or why the guy got himself shot.
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Of course it was. That's stupid. It was completely arbitrary.

The man had done nothing wrong. Nothing. He was an innocent person and he was not armed. I did not watch the whole video, but not once did I read/see/hear anything which suggested the man even knew why six officers were pointing their guns at him and shouting (it's possible they told him, but I am not aware of it). The officer refused to answer any question the man tried to ask and even was told not to talk. Then the officer tells the man to keep his hands up in the air to not drop them for any reason and that the officers will kill the man if he puts his hands down...5 seconds before the officer yells at the man to crawl towards him. Those are completely contradictory instructions, given to a man who had done nothing wrong, was unarmed, had six guns pointing at him and (to the best of my knowledge) was not even told why.

It was completely arbitrary...the man didn't violate any laws and was clearly trying to comply with the officers demands, even when the officers demands were not only not clear but also contradictory. The man was executed despite not having broken any laws. Completely arbitrary.

The fact people will defend this killing is absolutely absurd and just shows what kind of people there are in the world.
ludin said:
Maybe if he had been screaming less and listening to instruction he would be alive.
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Maybe if he didn't have six guns pointed at him for no reason and not been given contradictory instructions, he could have followed instructions a little better.
 
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Lutherf said:
Scared or not, he made a couple of incredibly stupid decisions. Believe me, that cop was experiencing his own pucker moment too.
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The whole procedure was incompetent... police needlessly increased the danger.
 
Lutherf said:
Sucks that the guy had such a problem following simple instructions.
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Not sure how many life or death situations you've ever been in, but I have been, including as in LE.

Many things get distorted, sight, time, hearing, and it's easy to be confused. That guy was terrified and it was obvious he was having trouble complying.

And cops know this. That MF cop should rot in Hell.
 
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