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Vaccines and a culture of fear

Manc Skipper said:
On the other hand, science shows why there is concern.

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Why was the vaccine for Lyme disease discontinued?
 
EMNofSeattle said:
no vaccine is 100% effective. some people who get vaccinated can still get sick.

that's why anti-vaxers are so dangerous, because they lower the herd immunity for those who have been vaccinated, but may still be susceptible to diseases.
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Why is there so much vaccine hesitancy given the evidence of efficacy?
 
LagerHead said:
While it is true that pro-vaxxers come down hard on the anti-vaxxers, it's precisely because the anti-vaxxers completely ignore scientific method when they come up with their B.S. And when folks like Dr. Tenpenny spout their nonsense, they not only make a profit off of pseudoscience, but they endanger people's lives while doing so. So I think it is completely understandable.



Remember, the flu vaccine you take today isn't the same as the one you took in the Army. While it might affect you just as bad, it also might not affect you at all.
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Why are vaccines and injections given mostly on the left arm?
 
Winchester said:
Then you understand getting a flu shot doesn't eliminate one's chances of getting the flu, but it does reduce it, depending on how well they guessed which strains will be making the rounds in a given year. Personally $25 for a shot that won't hurt me and will decrease the risk of contracting the flu is a bargain.
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Are you pro-vaccine or anti-vaccine?
 
Sherman123 said:
Just make it mandatory and bring charges against those who refuse. No exceptions except for a valid medical reason. Luckily the anti-vax reaction seems to be yielding a significant amount of legislation and private policy changes precisely along these lines. Roll up those sleeves!
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If there is no causation between vaccines and autism, why did the vaccine court award millions in damages to the parents of the affected children?
 
kerussll said:
I felt like your comment was a good jumping off point for what I wanted to say. Every time an outbreak of a vaccine-preventable disease happens, anti-vaxxers cry out "but some of the infected people were vaccinated! So see, vaccines don't work that well after all!" (Not claiming you were saying this) But what they are missing are the rates of infection. Most people are vaccinated, and vaccines are usually effective somewhere above 95% of the time. So sure, you do have a small number of vaccinated people that end up infected. But compare infection rates in the following example:

Say 10,000 people visited Disneyland during the measles exposure period. The percentage of unvaccinated people in California is about 2%, so we can assume about 200 people there were unvaccinated. So say 10 people wind up with measles; 5 were vaccinated and 5 weren't. Someone might look at this and think "hey, it's the same number on both sides. WTF vaccines?!" But when you look at infection rates, you can 5/200 or a 0.025% infection rate for unvaccinated people who were at the park during that period, and 5/9,800 or 0.00051% of vaccinated people there who got sick. That's a magnitude difference of 50. 50!!!

A fun fact about measles is that without heard immunity, the infection rate is 90%. It's one of the most contagious diseases there is. As heard immunity breaks down due to lack of vaccination, the rate of measles will grow exponentially. Which sucks pretty badly for those of us being responsible and getting our shots.
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If scientists can develop a Flu vaccine, why not concentrate next on Noro virus? Its just as awful a condition, why can't a vaccine be developed for it too?
 
Zyphlin said:
Aside from his absurdity about CPS, I have no issue what so ever with the Doc's stance regarding his practice
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Why is vaccine important for a baby born kid?
 
plb said:
From what I've heard, it is possible for someone who was vaccinated for a disease to still get it, however it is obviously much less likely. As far as I know measles is not the kind that a booster is needed for like tetanus, but I could be wrong.
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Why is the vaccine/anti-vacvine argument so emotional?
 
AmIsraelHai said:
What are the reasons why vaccination has not eradicated cholera?
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The vaccinations for cholera do not last long and boosters should be given annually.


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They offer some degree of protection for up to two years after a single shot, and for three to four years with annual booster.
 
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AmIsraelHai said:
How do the dynamics of infectious disease transmission explain why vaccines are not available for all infections and are not universally successful when they are available?
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I'm no authority, but from what I understand not all disease can be inoculated against. I think whether viral or bacterial has something to do with it.

And formulating a successful vaccine is obviously the key.

And as we all know, virus and bacteria can mutate and adapt over time.
 
How can a person refusing to get vaccinated put people who are vaccinated at risk? Doesn't the vaccine protect the people who are vaccinated? So wouldn't that mean only the people not vaccinated would be at risk?
 
Waddy said:
How can a person refusing to get vaccinated put people who are vaccinated at risk? Doesn't the vaccine protect the people who are vaccinated? So wouldn't that mean only the people not vaccinated would be at risk?
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No vaccine works 100%. Also, if people have been vaccinated and have already been exposed or have a fever, the vaccine may not work or it may be less effective.

And there is about a 2 week window (varies) before the vaccine creates enough antibodies for protection.

There are also some people, like infants, the elderly, etc that cannot be vaccinated and so they depend on herd immunity and there being fewer sick people to be exposed to.

I adore epidemiology, have a library of about 50 books...I'm actually on Amazon now getting some more up-to-date books.
 
Ockham said:
Not an absolutist = totalitarian. You won't be hearing the "Ja vole" from me any time soon. If I roll up my sleeve it will be because I say so, not because some politician needs to make points on his next election. I sorta hope your view comes to pass - it'll make a helluva lawsuit and I could get a few sheckels out of the deal.
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Nobody's forcing kids to be vaccinated. They just lose access to public schools where they would endanger others. Why would their choice be allowed to endanger others?
 
EMNofSeattle said:
no vaccine is 100% effective. some people who get vaccinated can still get sick.

that's why anti-vaxers are so dangerous, because they lower the herd immunity for those who have been vaccinated, but may still be susceptible to diseases.
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What is dangerous is bogus logic.

Herd immunity from vaccines is a myth. In nature, herd immunity is reality, the immunity and an organism develops immunity from having contracted an illness. There is no evidence that herd immunity exists in the vaccinated for the simple reason taht history is replete with examples of outbreaks in highly vaccinated populations. (proof provided upon request).

Moving on....

as long as adults are not up to date on their boosters, (and many are not up to date ) and as many older adults have not recieved manyi vaccines that children now receive, there never has been, nor will their ever be, herd immunity. In othe words, take your kid into the general market place where adults are and there is no herd immunity. Moreover, I have yet to find any proof of herd immunity other than just the theory of it.

The point is, trying to scare someone into getting vaccination solely by the argument 'you will diminish herd immunity" is specious reasoning, because it never existed, nor will it ever exist, in the first place.

Use other arguments, sure, but not that one.
 
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