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Ask Amy: My daughter lives with me and owns a gun. Can I kick her out?

JMR said:
Do you recognize a homeowner's right to not have guns? That seems to be the point of this discussion.
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And if someone else (let's say daughter) is living there also AND paying bills (even some rent?) do they have any rights? Oh let's say to own a firearm.
 
zsu2357 said:
And if someone else (let's say daughter) is living there also AND paying bills (even some rent?) do they have any rights? Oh let's say to own a firearm.
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the daughter has a responsibility to declare the presence of the gun. She has a right to own it, she has no right to keep it in the house her father owns if he does not want it there.

You don't seem to recognize the right of people to determine they will not have guns in their household.
 
apdst said:
Do you lock your doors? Have a fire extiguisher in your kitchen? Alarm system? First aid kit?
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and i can also walk in public without being afraid and without possessing a fire arm

pleased to say i am not a barney fife wannabe like so many ammoholics
 
JMR said:
Do you recognize a homeowner's right to not have guns? That seems to be the point of this discussion.
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Yes, at it's most basic, that is the issue here and yes...IMO the home owner has the right to allow guns in the home or not.

His decision could be based on many things. His own fear or ignorance of guns. His belief that his daughter is not responsible enough to own a gun safely. Those are 2 legit. reasons right there.
 
Without a written agreement she can kick her daughter out for any or no reason.

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justabubba said:
and i can also walk in public without being afraid and without possessing a fire arm

pleased to say i am not a barney fife wannabe like so many ammoholics
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It's about being aware that there are bad people in the world and being prepared to meet that threat, should it present itself.

Just like having a fire extinguisher in your home. It's not fear. It's recognizing a potential threat and being prepared to deal with it.

Anyone who isn't prepared for the fight is letting down his fellow citizens.
 
apdst said:
It's about being aware that there are bad people in the world and being prepared to meet that threat, should it present itself.

Just like having a fire extinguisher in your home. It's not fear. It's recognizing a potential threat and being prepared to deal with it.

Anyone who isn't prepared for the fight is letting down his fellow citizens.
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keep trying to convince yourself that is what it is about

but what really compels your carry is fear
 
justabubba said:
keep trying to convince yourself that is what it is about

but what really compels your carry is fear
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Not fear; diligence. If you want to let down your fellow citizens, that's your right. I choose to excercise my right to be ready for my fellow citizens and try to save lives. Sit back and do nothing while you watch them die, if you want.
 
apdst said:
Not fear; diligence. If you want to let down your fellow citizens, that's your right. I choose to excercise my right to be ready for my fellow citizens and try to save lives. Sit back and do nothing while you watch them die, if you want.
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now, your position is that you are being a vigilante
always ready with a fire arm to defend your fellow citizens

the reality is you carry because you are afraid
 
justabubba said:
now, your position is that you are being a vigilante
always ready with a fire arm to defend your fellow citizens

the reality is you carry because you are afraid
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Self defense isn't vigilantism.
 
justabubba said:
that's a strange conclusion recognizing that dad is not the one afraid to be without a fire arm
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He might be a large man, in which case he might feel he doesn't need a fire arm.

Now a petite woman on the other hand might be better off armed.
 
apdst said:
Self defense isn't vigilantism.
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which answer causes me to wonder if you even read your own posts; to wit:
apdst said:
Not fear; diligence. If you want to let down your fellow citizens, that's your right. I choose to excercise my right to be ready for my fellow citizens and try to save lives. Sit back and do nothing while you watch them die, if you want.
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justabubba said:
which answer causes me to wonder if you even read your own posts; to wit:
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that is still not vigilantism. Protecting your neighbor Does not equal being part of a posse or lynch mob or star chamber after the fact.
 
Frigidweirdo said:
Sounds like a question asked by someone with guns who's afraid Obama's going to take his guns.
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You clearly didn't read the article in issue-it is the gun fearing father-not the daughter. and as one poster astutely noted-the entire thing appears to be nonsense.
 
TurtleDude said:
maybe so-I certainly believe each individual should evaluate whether it is in their best self interest to be armed. But what I have zero use for-are people who tell me that they know what is better for me than I do. I don't force nor would I ever force-someone to be armed when they are afraid to do so, or if they believe they cannot responsibly own and use firearms. Or that they are worried that they could not use is properly.
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Generally, I look at them like cigarettes. They are public health menace, but I don't really care if people have them in their homes. Statistics do tell us that the odds are not in your favor, but, like smoking, that is a personal decision. I do think that if a kid takes his dad's gun to school and shoots up the place, the dad should be punished as much as the kid.
 
TurtleDude said:
that is still not vigilantism. Protecting your neighbor Does not equal being part of a posse or lynch mob or star chamber after the fact.
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he was not proposing to defend himself. instead, that brave lad proposed his carry was to protect fellow citizens
that IS vigilantism
ask a lawyer, he will confirm it
 
j brown's body said:
Generally, I look at them like cigarettes. They are public health menace, but I don't really care if people have them in their homes. Statistics do tell us that the odds are not in your favor, but, like smoking, that is a personal decision. I do think that if a kid takes his dad's gun to school and shoots up the place, the dad should be punished as much as the kid.
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that is silly on several grounds

1) guns if used as intended,. don't hurt the owner

2) there is no safe use of cigarettes and cigarettes don't provide any real benefit

3) the government issues millions of its employees -guns

depends on how the kid got the gun
 
justabubba said:
he was not proposing to defend himself. instead, that brave lad proposed his carry was to protect fellow citizens
that IS vigilantism
ask a lawyer, he will confirm it
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cite the lawyer who will say that
 
justabubba said:
he was not proposing to defend himself. instead, that brave lad proposed his carry was to protect fellow citizens
that IS vigilantism
ask a lawyer, he will confirm it
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Vigilantism does not require a mob.

It certainly can be a single person on a vendetta
 
justabubba said:
now, your position is that you are being a vigilante
always ready with a fire arm to defend your fellow citizens

the reality is you carry because you are afraid
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No.. the position is that you are capable of defending yourself better with a firearm.. than without. Just like I am more likely to be able to extinguish a fire. if I have a fire extinguisher etc.

YOU on the other hand.. seem to fear that your fellow citizens.. because you fear that with a firearm.. they will hurt you.

Kind of like this Father. He fears his daughter.. because she has a gun?

IF he fears his daughter with a gun.. he should be afraid if she has a knife.. or a car.. or a myriad of other things that could be dangerous if she uses it against him.

think about that... why do you fear your fellow citizens? I mean.. why do you fear them having a gun... but are okay with that same person having say a car.. that they could drive over you with?
 
TurtleDude said:
that is silly on several grounds
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what is silly is the shallowness of your rebuttal

1) guns if used as intended,. don't hurt the owner
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there have been numerous occasions when you have chimed into gun debates to point out the frequent use of hand guns to commit suicide
is your position that those suicide victims were not harmed by the guns used to cause their deaths?

2) there is no safe use of cigarettes and cigarettes don't provide any real benefit
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During 2017, about 249 billion cigarettes were sold in the United States
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amount of cigarette sales in the usa - Google Search
that is 766 fags per capita in the USA (2017 population 325MM). now why would so much of an expensive product be sold if those 3/4 trillion cigarettes "don't provide any real benefit"

The study of more than 200,000 people, published this week in BMC medicine, found about 67 percent of smokers perished from smoking-related illness.
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percentage of smokers who die from smoking - Google Search

there are 34.3 million smokers in the states. 33% will have no negative effects from smoking; 11,319,000
for over 11 million, smoking WILL be a safe practice

which facts upend your position regarding smoking's negative effects and that no benefit is gained

3) the government issues millions of its employees -guns

depends on how the kid got the gun
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and the government issuer registers the gun to its recipient after being assured that recipient is informed of its safe useage

can we accept your "equivalent" position to be that civilian gun owners must first demonstrate that they are qualified to use the gun safely and that those civilian arms will be registered to the owner?
 
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