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Deficit-swelling Trump White House plans to use deficit against Democrats

Rogue Valley said:
After the GOP just ballooned the deficit with the tax bonanza for the wealthy/corporations? Hell no.
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Well, you're lucky there's been no "ballooning" so you're off the hook. Obama still holds the top four placed in ballooned deficits and CBO says we probably won't even see another trillion dollar deficit until 2022.
 
Bullseye said:
Funny thing is that not a single number cited is real - your source is citing disproved projections that haven't been updated in over a year.
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Get a load out of the Program Director's blog profile...Lindsay Koshgarian


Lindsay's work and commentary on the federal budget and military spending has appeared on NPR, the BBC, CNN, The Nation, U.S. News and World Report, and others. At NPP, her work is at the intersection of military and domestic federal spending. She got her start as a clinic worker and organizer at Planned Parenthood in central and suburban Philadelphia, and led economic development and affordable housing studies at the University of Massachusetts Donahue Institute prior to joining NPP in 2014.
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:lol: Nothing say unbiased more that working for PP, and affordable housing studies.
 
Born Free said:
We know that Obama doubled our national debt in just 8 yrs. He borrowed 10 trillion, more than all the presidents before him combined. And what did we get for it? The worst economic recovery in US History.

Trump has 6 yrs to go to double our national debt like Obama did. Trump has to borrow 20 trillion in 8 yrs to match Obama. You think Trump will beat Obama and double the national debt like Obama did.
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where do you get your info from?
Fox snooz?
Obama did NOT double the national debt
IF he did then why wasn't the national debt OVER 23 Trillion dollars when Trump took office
That is a Republican LIE
When Obama took over the budget and debt on Oct. 1 st of 2009 the debt was 11,920,519,164,319.42 ( you can check it here , US Treasury website
Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)) and IF you can X that by 2 it is over 23 Trillion dollars and when Trump took over the debt on Oct 1st 2017 it was ( the Treasury takes it to this date and that is several days before Trump took over the debt ) 09/29/2017 20,244,900,016,053.51
again IF Obama did double the debt it would have been over 23 Trillion dollars NOT 20 ,244 Trillion dollars
So again I have to ask where do you get your info from
as you see I get mine from the US Treasury
and one more thing for your info there have been ONLY two Presidents in the last 50 years that did double the debt and both of them were REPUBLICANS Reagan who almost tripled it and GW Bush who just over doubled it.
and IF Obama borrowed over triple that every president did before him then why don't we have a debt over 30 trillion dollars, Just more Republican lies
Again IF he had doubled it the debt would be over 23 Trillion dollars when Trump took over the debt and in order for him to have borrowed MORE then all his Predecessors combined he would have had to over doubled it and he did NOT
As I have said you can look up all the FACTS on the US Treasury website
Please do a little research before you make your posts and keep repeating all the REPUBLICAN lies
have a nice evening
 
Born Free said:
Yeah you believed Trump colluded with the Russians and Crooked Hillary was 100% going to win the election. Dead wrong on both and your 688 day thing.
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remember Trump did say the election was " rigged " he just never said in how's favor it was rigged in.
Probably the last time he told us the truth
have a nice night
 
Tbird19482 said:
remember Trump did say the election was " rigged " he just never said in how's favor it was rigged in.
Probably the last time he told us the truth
have a nice night
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Yeah it was rigged by Crooked Hillary by paying the Russians to write the dossier that was used to spy on Trump and it was the lead item to launch Mueller. However Trump overcame her attempt to rig the election.
 
Tbird19482 said:
where do you get your info from?
Fox snooz?
Obama did NOT double the national debt
IF he did then why wasn't the national debt OVER 23 Trillion dollars when Trump took office
That is a Republican LIE
When Obama took over the budget and debt on Oct. 1 st of 2009 the debt was 11,920,519,164,319.42 ( you can check it here , US Treasury website
Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)) and IF you can X that by 2 it is over 23 Trillion dollars and when Trump took over the debt on Oct 1st 2017 it was ( the Treasury takes it to this date and that is several days before Trump took over the debt ) 09/29/2017 20,244,900,016,053.51
again IF Obama did double the debt it would have been over 23 Trillion dollars NOT 20 ,244 Trillion dollars
So again I have to ask where do you get your info from
as you see I get mine from the US Treasury
and one more thing for your info there have been ONLY two Presidents in the last 50 years that did double the debt and both of them were REPUBLICANS Reagan who almost tripled it and GW Bush who just over doubled it.
and IF Obama borrowed over triple that every president did before him then why don't we have a debt over 30 trillion dollars, Just more Republican lies
Again IF he had doubled it the debt would be over 23 Trillion dollars when Trump took over the debt and in order for him to have borrowed MORE then all his Predecessors combined he would have had to over doubled it and he did NOT
As I have said you can look up all the FACTS on the US Treasury website
Please do a little research before you make your posts and keep repeating all the REPUBLICAN lies
have a nice evening
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I've already have done my research.

Tell me what was the reading on the National Debt clock when Obama took office. Then take that same reading when Trump took office. You'll see clearly Obama doubled the national debt and he borrowed more than all the presidents before him combined.

These are all simple numbers.
 
Born Free said:
Yeah it was rigged by Crooked Hillary by paying the Russians to write the dossier that was used to spy on Trump and it was the lead item to launch Mueller. However Trump overcame her attempt to rig the election.
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interesting how you think. LOL.
did you know it was a right wing presidential candidate or organization that paid for that " dossier" before Hillary or the DNC had anything to do with it?
Guess not
I would guess you don't bother to do any research into anything before you post, you just keep repeating the republican lies.
wasn't it Hillary's and the DNC's emails that were hacked by the Russians?
Didn't Trump indirectly ask them to do it?
Didn't the Russians Hack her and the DNC's computers?
Did they hack Trumps?
Didn't Trump say the election was rigged?
Did he ever say in who's favor?
shouldn't people question that FACT?
Now I have to ask you just how did Hillary rig it?
so she would loose?
PLEASE do a little research before you post and NOT keep repeating Republican lies
Have a nice night
 
Rogue Valley said:
Deficit-swelling Trump White House plans to use deficit against Democrats

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The White House plan is to slash every program and leave military funding the same. However, the military budget would actually be increased due to White House plans to raid the Overseas Contingency Operations (OCO) fund, which no previous administration has ever before raided, and then add these pilfered funds to the Pentagon base budget.

As always with Republicans, they spend like mad dogs while in office, and then demand drastic spending cuts from succeeding Democrat administrations when they are the minority party. This is also the Trump/GOP recipe.

Related: Overseas Contingency Operations: The Pentagon Slush Fund
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the republican 'starve the beast' strategy

quelle surprise

Starve the beast - Wikipedia
 
Born Free said:
I've already have done my research.

Tell me what was the reading on the National Debt clock when Obama took office. Then take that same reading when Trump took office. You'll see clearly Obama doubled the national debt and he borrowed more than all the presidents before him combined.

These are all simple numbers.
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Please show us your research into the subject.
First of all the incoming President does NOT take over the Budget or the debt on the day he takes office
according to the Constitution he does NOT take over the budget and the debt till OCT 1 of his incoming year
but lets say they did then on the day Obama took office the debt was 10,626,877,048,913.08 and on the day Trump took office it was 19,947,304,555,212.49 that is just over 9.3 Trillion dollars ( and that IS NOT double of what it was when Obama took office )
IF you can read / and do a little research you will find out Obama did not DOUBLE it and IF he did it would have been over 21 Trillion dollars when Trump was sworn in
NOW seeing he did NOT double it just how can you say he added MORE to it then all his predecessors combined?
Now as the Constitution says the incoming President does not take over the budget/ debt till Oct 1
and on Oct 1 of 2009 the day Obama took it over it was 11,920,519,164,319.42 and on Oct 2 of 2017 ( I am adding 1 day to Obama ) it was 20,347,802,336,477.80
that is a difference of 8,427,293,172,158.38 trillion dollars
IF he doubled it like you and the Republican lie says wouldn't it have been OVER 23 Trillion when Trump took it over?
was it? NO it was 20.347 trillion dollars.
You can double check these figures by going to the US Treasury website , the SAME place the people that run the National debt clock get their figures from

Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)

So again I have to ask you do you ever do a little research before you just keep repeating a Republican LIE ?
have a nice night
 
Tbird19482 said:
Please show us your research into the subject.
First of all the incoming President does NOT take over the Budget or the debt on the day he takes office
according to the Constitution he does NOT take over the budget and the debt till OCT 1 of his incoming year
but lets say they did then on the day Obama took office the debt was 10,626,877,048,913.08 and on the day Trump took office it was 19,947,304,555,212.49 that is just over 9.3 Trillion dollars ( and that IS NOT double of what it was when Obama took office )
IF you can read / and do a little research you will find out Obama did not DOUBLE it and IF he did it would have been over 21 Trillion dollars when Trump was sworn in
NOW seeing he did NOT double it just how can you say he added MORE to it then all his predecessors combined?
Now as the Constitution says the incoming President does not take over the budget/ debt till Oct 1
and on Oct 1 of 2009 the day Obama took it over it was 11,920,519,164,319.42 and on Oct 2 of 2017 ( I am adding 1 day to Obama ) it was 20,347,802,336,477.80
that is a difference of 8,427,293,172,158.38 trillion dollars
IF he doubled it like you and the Republican lie says wouldn't it have been OVER 23 Trillion when Trump took it over?
was it? NO it was 20.347 trillion dollars.
You can double check these figures by going to the US Treasury website , the SAME place the people that run the National debt clock get their figures from

Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)

So again I have to ask you do you ever do a little research before you just keep repeating a Republican LIE ?
have a nice night
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One more thing the ONLY two Presidents that have doubled the debt in the last 50 years were both REPUBLICANS
Reagan and GW Bush
Reagan almost tripled it and Bush doubled it
and Trump has run up the Debt MORE then Obama did in 6 out of the 8 years he was in office
and IF Trump keeps going like this he will run it up more then Obama did in his first 4 years and if we are really unlucky and Trump gets reelected and he keeps running it up like he has been he will by pass Obama in no time
Have a good night
 
Fletch said:
Maybe you two should just relax. Dems control the House. All spending bills originate there. The budget should be balanced this year.
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That's great, coming from Republicans. They controlled all three Legislative branches for 2 years, and did nothing but skyrocket the deficit. Nothing but a bunch of hypocrites.
 
Born Free said:
I've already have done my research.

Tell me what was the reading on the National Debt clock when Obama took office. Then take that same reading when Trump took office. You'll see clearly Obama doubled the national debt and he borrowed more than all the presidents before him combined.

These are all simple numbers.
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Before Obama even put his hand on the Bible, the Bush deficit was heading up to $1.4 Trillion. Bush executed the worst presidential pass-on since the Great Depression - Housing/Banking crisis, plummeting stock market, CEO corruption gone amuck, 2 wars, a bankrupt US auto industry, and very high unemployment. After Obama fixed these problems, the deficit started dropping like a rock - less than half of the $1.4 Trillion.
 
Media_Truth said:
Before Obama even put his hand on the Bible, the Bush deficit was heading up to $1.4 Trillion. Bush executed the worst presidential pass-on since the Great Depression - Housing/Banking crisis, plummeting stock market, CEO corruption gone amuck, 2 wars, a bankrupt US auto industry, and very high unemployment. After Obama fixed these problems, the deficit started dropping like a rock - less than half of the $1.4 Trillion.
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the last fiscal year Obama was in office the debt went up 671 Billion dollars and Trumps first fiscal year it went up 1.27 Trillion dollars and they say in his 2nd Fiscal year it will be going up even more then that
Fact is the debt has gone up more under Trump in his first fiscal year then it did in 6 out of the 8 years Obama was in office
a LOT of right wingers on here keep repeating the old Republican lie that Obama doubled the debt or ran it up more then all his predecessors did
well IN order for him to have done that he would have doubled it and IF he did that the debt would have had been over 23 Trillion dollars
it was 11.92 Trillion on Oct 1 of 2009 when he took over the budget and debt and X that by 2 you are over 23 Trillion dollars and it was 20.3 Trillion when Trump took over
I don't know when they are going to learn to do a little research before they repeat that Republican lie
Have a good night
 
Rogue Valley said:
Deficit-swelling Trump White House plans to use deficit against Democrats

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The White House plan is to slash every program and leave military funding the same. However, the military budget would actually be increased due to White House plans to raid the Overseas Contingency Operations (OCO) fund, which no previous administration has ever before raided, and then add these pilfered funds to the Pentagon base budget.

As always with Republicans, they spend like mad dogs while in office, and then demand drastic spending cuts from succeeding Democrat administrations when they are the minority party. This is also the Trump/GOP recipe.

Related: Overseas Contingency Operations: The Pentagon Slush Fund
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Have you ever read the Constitution and learn about the true role of the Federal gov't? This forum is typical of the leftwing rags where opinion trumps basic civics and Congressional responsibilities. Somehow the deficit now matters to the left who still hasn't posted data showing what created the 17% increase in deficit in 2018 and how the FACT that there hasn't been a Trump trillion dollar deficit whereas Obama had four of them?

Not sure what it is about the left and their ideology which prevents them from understanding basic civics and the Constitution but saying the same thing over and over again doesn't make the statements true. When you have a 4.4 trillion dollar budget and approximately 900 billion is for the military that isn't overspending on the defense of this country no matter how many times you radicals make the claim.

I know this is going to be ignored but what has the Democratic Candidates for President offered to lower the deficit and what has the Democratic House proposed, 70% tax rate as if that is the answer? Where do the states and local governments get their money when more of the dollars resting in the hands of the citizens goes to the federal bureaucrats?

Can you radicals explain to us all why you want higher taxes on the rich and still no FIT paid by approximately 50% of income earners who pay zero FIT? All you radicals seem clueless and none seem to have the ability to address actual issues and admit when wrong. Posting Krugman over and over again doesn't do much for the credibility of the left when that Keynesian economic policy throws money into the public sector
 
Media_Truth said:
Before Obama even put his hand on the Bible, the Bush deficit was heading up to $1.4 Trillion. Bush executed the worst presidential pass-on since the Great Depression - Housing/Banking crisis, plummeting stock market, CEO corruption gone amuck, 2 wars, a bankrupt US auto industry, and very high unemployment. After Obama fixed these problems, the deficit started dropping like a rock - less than half of the $1.4 Trillion.
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Again, you post the same crap over and over again and then run when rebuked. There was no 1.4 trillion dollar Bush deficit for 2009 as Bush didn't even have a budget approved and there is no way any President can create that deficit in 4 months as you charge him with all the expenses and none of the revenue. Revisionist history is like most liberal arguments, making the person feel good but never being accurate. You want badly to prop up the Obama record but ignore exactly what Obama did inherit

A Democratic Congress

TARP which recapitalized the banks and was a loan that was repaid in 2009 but reportedly added 350 billion to the "Bush" Deficit Projection

NO APPROVED BUDGET but a budget signed by Obama

A stimulus passed for shovel ready jobs and new taxpayers almost day one in office yet saw taxpayers reduced by 4 million in 2009 and 3 million in 2010

Wonder when any left leaning supporter is going to address those issues or prove me wrong?
 
Conservative said:
Have you ever read the Constitution and learn about the true role of the Federal gov't? This forum is typical of the leftwing rags where opinion trumps basic civics and Congressional responsibilities. Somehow the deficit now matters to the left who still hasn't posted data showing what created the 17% increase in deficit in 2018 and how the FACT that there hasn't been a Trump trillion dollar deficit whereas Obama had four of them?

Not sure what it is about the left and their ideology which prevents them from understanding basic civics and the Constitution but saying the same thing over and over again doesn't make the statements true. When you have a 4.4 trillion dollar budget and approximately 900 billion is for the military that isn't overspending on the defense of this country no matter how many times you radicals make the claim.

I know this is going to be ignored but what has the Democratic Candidates for President offered to lower the deficit and what has the Democratic House proposed, 70% tax rate as if that is the answer? Where do the states and local governments get their money when more of the dollars resting in the hands of the citizens goes to the federal bureaucrats?

Can you radicals explain to us all why you want higher taxes on the rich and still no FIT paid by approximately 50% of income earners who pay zero FIT? All you radicals seem clueless and none seem to have the ability to address actual issues and admit when wrong. Posting Krugman over and over again doesn't do much for the credibility of the left when that Keynesian economic policy throws money into the public sector
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Because the tax laws allow it.
same as it allows over 42% of all large Corporations that made over a million dollars some well over a billion dollars in US profits not to pay one cent in US income taxes
and the GAO estimates the Trump tax law will raise that up to about 65% of all large corporations
So why do they get to use the infrastructure those taxes pay for for free?
I know as you have said before the tax laws allow it
Maybe it is time to change those tax laws
have a nice day
 
Fletch said:
Maybe you two should just relax. Dems control the House. All spending bills originate there. The budget should be balanced this year.
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Why should the budget be balanced this year?
 
wellwisher said:
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Trump is consistent with the theme; that which benefits all, comes first in the budget. He banks on military and police. He will protect the elderly and the children. In tough times, we need to remove the outer layers of the onion. These layers can be added back during prosperity, including pork barrel or the dried out peel of the onion, used by politicians to win reelection on the tax payer dime.

The Democrats run the House and control the budget. They are making a strategic move to attach the deficit to Trump. This is good for Trump, since he can parle that shaming the Democrats into removing outer layers of the onion, which he has pledged.
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First, you give far too much credit to Trump, for upholding constitutional principles, that he has demonstrated he knows little about. Just like all modern Republicans, Trump tries to increase the defense budget -- whether the military wants the increase or not.

Second, Trump doesn't "protect the elderly and the children." That statement is worthy of Soviet propaganda. In reality, Trump, like other modern Republicans, protects the wealthy and corporations. That's why the 2007 tax-cuts heavily benefited the rich and corporations, by design. Protect children? Trump's budget proposal was to kill Big Bird. Trump also wants to cut the children's health program, CHIP.

Protect the elderly? Trump wants to cut Medicare.

If you think Trump is trying to protect seniors and children or even average Americans, you are being fooled.

Attaching the deficits to Trump isn't just "strategic" it's factual. His tax-cuts cut revenue and increase the deficit. His increases in defense spending do the same.

It has not been demonstrated that the Pentagon is starving for funds and Americans given the choice between keeping the defense budget the same or cutting programs that give medical treatment to children and cutting Medicare -- so defense can be increased, Americans will always side with children and seniors.
 
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Fletch said:
Maybe you two should just relax. Dems control the House. All spending bills originate there. The budget should be balanced this year.
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Dem's have ever proposed a balanced budget in their life.
 
Trump and Republicans (frankly Democrats too in some regards) can try to weaponize the deficit against one another politically, but where we are in deficit trends over the past several years is because of Trump and Congressional Republicans before he lost the House during the midterms. Obama is not completely without blame either.

from FY 2012 to FY 2016 deficits were falling. Year on year GDP increases balanced out against spending during those years and we dropped from $1.299 Trillion to $438 Billion, but then the direction changed for FY 2016 to current and it looks like we are headed the wrong direction at a time where economic downturn is likely.

There was a spending increase for FY 2016 to FY 2017 where Obama and Congressional Republicans basically passed an everyone get whatever you want spending series of bills, but also Trump came along with most the same Congressional Republicans and started in on Tax Cuts and spending more anyway.

We should be back to over $Trillion dollar deficits for the next 6 years from FY 2019 at least without any real insight as to the needs of the next economic downturn that tends to explode the deficit from wherever it is at that point. We are already breaking auction records for Debt held by the Public and it stands to reason that it will get much worse if the economy has an issue during that next 6 years.

Trump can try to use all this against against Democrats all he wants but fiscal and economic reality is not on his side, then again when has Trump ever cared about facts?
 
MTAtech said:
First, you give far too much credit to Trump, for upholding constitutional principles, that he has demonstrated he knows little about. Just like all modern Republicans, Trump tries to increase the defense budget -- whether the military wants the increase or not.

Second, Trump doesn't "protect the elderly and the children." That statement is worthy of Soviet propaganda. In reality, Trump, like other modern Republicans, protects the wealthy and corporations. That's why the 2007 tax-cuts heavily benefited the rich and corporations, by design. Protect children? Trump's budget proposal was to kill Big Bird. Trump also wants to cut the children's health program, CHIP.

Protect the elderly? Trump wants to cut Medicare.

If you think Trump is trying to protect seniors and children or even average Americans, you are being fooled.
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Did Trump's budget include a $2 trillion cut for Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security? | PolitiFact New York

sorry but that is considered false so why do you keep repeating known lies?
 
Conservative said:
Again, you post the same crap over and over again and then run when rebuked. There was no 1.4 trillion dollar Bush deficit for 2009 as Bush didn't even have a budget approved and there is no way any President can create that deficit in 4 months as you charge him with all the expenses and none of the revenue.
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There was a $1.2 trillion deficit waiting for Obama before he even showed up.

The Budget and Economic Outlook: Fiscal Years 2009 to 2019 (Jan. 7, 2009)
 
ludin said:
Did Trump's budget include a $2 trillion cut for Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security? | PolitiFact New York

sorry but that is considered false so why do you keep repeating known lies?
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It is indeed true that Trump didn't propose a $2 trillion cut to Medicare. Fortunately, I didn't say that he did. Reading comprehension is a virtue. If you bothered to read the link that I provided to the Washington Post, it clearly said:
Trump released his 2019 budget last week, and it included $266 billion in cuts to Medicare, which provides health insurance to 58 million Americans 65 and older and people with certain disabilities.
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Conservative said:
Again, you post the same crap over and over again and then run when rebuked. There was no 1.4 trillion dollar Bush deficit for 2009 as Bush didn't even have a budget approved and there is no way any President can create that deficit in 4 months as you charge him with all the expenses and none of the revenue.
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Astounding. The guy who posts the same crap over and over again, complains that others post the same crap over and over again. A little self-awareness needed here.
 
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