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Slavery Reparations

Then why are the Jews so intelligent? They have survived two thousand years of persecution culminating in the Holocaust. Nevertheless, with 0.2% of the world's population they have won nearly 20% of the world's Nobel Prizes. In countries where they are not discriminated against they dominate every field that requires superior intelligence.

I don't know but when a group's culture highly values education, I suspect that doesn't hurt. I recall a comment I heard from one of my Jewish Suitemates in college-he went on to be a Supreme Court Clerk and ran the Dept of Justice for several months

he noted that in medieval Europe, the most educated Christian men were supposed to be celibate. In the Polish and Russian Jewish communities that his family originally came from-he said that the smartest boy in an age group was paired with the daughter of the richest man in the community. That boy became the group's rabbi and because he married into a wealthy family, he could spend his time studying and advancing his education. He also could afford to have many children, whom he passed his learning on to.

So my friend noted that is why he thought his ethnic group did well in school-their smartest men were encouraged to have lots of children unlike the Christians. Is this the reason? I don't know but it makes a lot of sense.
 
Intelligent people, like the Jews overcome poverty and discrimination and become prosperous. In The Bell Curve Charles Murray and Richard Hernstein demonstrated that a child's IQ tested at the age of seven is a better predictor of the child's adult earning than the incomes of the parent.

The Bell Curve is retarded and irrelevant. It's not peer reviewed science, and virtually everything about it is either bull**** or racist propaganda. It's always based on incredibly out-dated information to use it for anything in 2019.
 
Most of the White people in the US are also decedents of people who were enslaved at one time or another too. The Greeks, Romans, Moors, Barbary Pirates, Mongols just to name a few enslaved millions of Whites. If reparation is to be made, they should get in line.
 
Most of the White people in the US are also decedents of people who were enslaved at one time or another too. The Greeks, Romans, Moors, Barbary Pirates, Mongols just to name a few enslaved millions of Whites. If reparation is to be made, they should get in line.

This is actually probably the most ridiculous take I've seen on this issue, and that's saying something.
 
Now that congress has held the hearings, what do you think?

Anyone who wants reparations because their ancestors were enslaved, should get a one way ticket to Africa, which is where they'd be living if their ancestors hadn't been enslaved.
 
Now that congress has held the hearings, what do you think?

I think reparations are just a con.

However if reparations were used for something positive, for better after school programs, for better support for kids in poor areas (regardless of color), for actively trying to change the country positively, then it could happen. But it seems just like they want to throw a load of money at people, massively bad idea.
 
I don't know but when a group's culture highly values education, I suspect that doesn't hurt. I recall a comment I heard from one of my Jewish Suitemates in college-he went on to be a Supreme Court Clerk and ran the Dept of Justice for several months

he noted that in medieval Europe, the most educated Christian men were supposed to be celibate. In the Polish and Russian Jewish communities that his family originally came from-he said that the smartest boy in an age group was paired with the daughter of the richest man in the community. That boy became the group's rabbi and because he married into a wealthy family, he could spend his time studying and advancing his education. He also could afford to have many children, whom he passed his learning on to.

So my friend noted that is why he thought his ethnic group did well in school-their smartest men were encouraged to have lots of children unlike the Christians. Is this the reason? I don't know but it makes a lot of sense.

Hard work achieves nothing without talent.
 
The Bell Curve is retarded and irrelevant. It's not peer reviewed science, and virtually everything about it is either bull**** or racist propaganda. It's always based on incredibly out-dated information to use it for anything in 2019.

The Bell Curve has never been disproved. It has only been cursed at. A person's IQ is largely determined at conception. No one and nothing can significantly improve an IQ. This is not scientifically controversial.

Because there are so many sanctions against saying what nearly everyone privately knows to be true, an honest peer review of The Bell Curve could have been dangerous for the reviewer's career. Nevertheless, The Bell Curve did get good book reviews by people whose careers were safe. It was on The New York Times Best Seller list for months.
 
Reparation is a Democrat party freebie scam, to get black votes, since election time is approaching. They also promise freebie health care, freebie education, freebie wages, to get votes. They even promise to control climate so it is always sunny.

Abraham Lincoln, who freed the slaves, was a Republican. The Republicans have a long history of helping the slaves and the blacks. The NAACP was created by the Republicans. It was the Democrats who wanted to maintain slavery. They were even willing to divide the USA to maintain slavery; Civil War.

Once the Republican freed the slaves, the Democrats were the ones who harassed the blacks, and made law that took away civil rights and created a two tier social system; segregation. The Democrats invented the KKK to enforced their two tier system. If there is to be reparations, it should be a tax on the Democrats, since they were the problem and owe the most.

This scam, by the Democrats, is also a distraction away from their disproportionate contribution to the problem. They are trying to spread out their blame, onto all whites, including Abraham Lincoln. They know this freebie promise will never fly. However, they also know this can be spun, to blame the party of Lincoln, for the atrocities of the Democrats. There are attempting a revisionists history scam for the 2020 election. How many blacks will fall for it, and not research the role of the ole Democrat party?

Even today, if you look at the worse places for the blacks in the USA; ghettos, they are controlled by Democrats, i.e., Chicago. The Democrats have not changed, but continue to segregate the blacks, while blaming everyone but themselves. Most black appear to have the Stockholm syndrome, since they seem to relate too much to their captors.
 
Yes, to only provide assistance to blacks and Hispanics would have been illegal, and there have always been more poor whites that blacks.

So what?

Single mother households have gone up among whites, too, but the rate has always been lower than that of blacks and Hispanics.

A higher percentage of blacks and Hispanics received assistance than whites even if the absolute numbers are higher for whites.

The fact remains that this program hurt the black community a lot more.

you probably need to learn the reality of "absolute number"..... but keep chasing your delusions of superiority... it only demonstrate the inferiority born of your own fears. It's summer, maybe your should go lay out and try and get a tan, to make yourself feel better about yourself. It seems to be a traditional habit that many white people pursue.
 
Reparation is a Democrat party freebie scam, to get black votes, since election time is approaching. They also promise freebie health care, freebie education, freebie wages, to get votes. They even promise to control climate so it is always sunny.

Abraham Lincoln, who freed the slaves, was a Republican. The Republicans have a long history of helping the slaves and the blacks. The NAACP was created by the Republicans. It was the Democrats who wanted to maintain slavery. They were even willing to divide the USA to maintain slavery; Civil War.

Once the Republican freed the slaves, the Democrats were the ones who harassed the blacks, and made law that took away civil rights and created a two tier social system; segregation. The Democrats invented the KKK to enforced their two tier system. If there is to be reparations, it should be a tax on the Democrats, since they were the problem and owe the most.

This scam, by the Democrats, is also a distraction away from their disproportionate contribution to the problem. They are trying to spread out their blame, onto all whites, including Abraham Lincoln. They know this freebie promise will never fly. However, they also know this can be spun, to blame the party of Lincoln, for the atrocities of the Democrats. There are attempting a revisionists history scam for the 2020 election. How many blacks will fall for it, and not research the role of the ole Democrat party?

Even today, if you look at the worse places for the blacks in the USA; ghettos, they are controlled by Democrats, i.e., Chicago. The Democrats have not changed, but continue to segregate the blacks, while blaming everyone but themselves. Most black appear to have the Stockholm syndrome, since they seem to relate too much to their captors.

People like you have a plague like sickness...
 
The Bell Curve has never been disproved. It has only been cursed at. A person's IQ is largely determined at conception. No one and nothing can significantly improve an IQ. This is not scientifically controversial.

Because there are so many sanctions against saying what nearly everyone privately knows to be true, an honest peer review of The Bell Curve could have been dangerous for the reviewer's career. Nevertheless, The Bell Curve did get good book reviews by people whose careers were safe. It was on The New York Times Best Seller list for months.

Guess you are deeply pissed off because many black people have values that go far and beyond measuring self by material things and money..... After all the vile brutality of slavery, segregation and ongoing racism.... black people have not lost a sense of self... and none of the vile, savage acts done to black people by white people... did not have black people killing themselves off... like so many whites do... even when they verbally bully each other... or when they bury themselves in debt or loose all their money; the habit within your groups has a high frequency of killing themselves, killing the family and mass killing innocent people, out of envy, and resentments wrapped in a loss of self worth because their material things and money is gone, and no one prairies them on a daily cycle, or someone bully's them. heck, we see many white men, who kill women, when he can't possess her as if he owns her, as too many live with that mentality of, if they can't own, possess and control something or someone, their impulse is to try and destroy it or them. These are the same type who follow Trump... because they love "the bully'... but just like Trump, can't stand it when the truth is reflected back upon and at him.

Today, the liberal minded white people are no longer afraid of the rabid right winger race bias and race bigoted types, who once attacked liberal white people, simply because liberal humane respecting white people would not endorse and join in the right wingers racist ignorance and savage vile right winger racist and bigots engaged against people with non white skin.
 
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Guess you are deeply pissed off because many black people have values that go far and beyond measuring self by material things and money..... After all the vile brutality of slavery, segregation and ongoing racism.... black people have not lost a sense of self... and none of the vile, savage acts done to black people by white people... did not have black people killing themselves off... like so many whites do... even when they verbally bully each other... or when they bury themselves in debt or loose all their money; the habit within your groups has a high frequency of killing themselves, killing the family and mass killing innocent people, out of envy, and resentments wrapped in a loss of self worth because their material things and money is gone, and no one prairies them on a daily cycle, or someone bully's them. heck, we see many white men, who kill women, when he can't possess her as if he owns her, as too many live with that mentality of, if they can't own, possess and control something or someone, their impulse is to try and destroy it or them. These are the same type who follow Trump... because they love "the bully'... but just like Trump, can't stand it when the truth is reflected back upon and at him.

Today, the liberal minded white people are no longer afraid of the rabid right winger race bias and race bigoted types, who once attacked liberal white people, simply because liberal humane respecting white people would not endorse and join in the right wingers racist ignorance and savage vile right winger racist and bigots engaged against people with non white skin.

Blacks are more likely to be killed by other blacks than by whites. When blacks earn the same amount of money as whites they are less likely to save money, and more likely to go into debt.

By the way, I voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012. In 2016 I voted against Trump.
 
Blacks are more likely to be killed by other blacks than by whites. When blacks earn the same amount of money as whites they are less likely to save money, and more likely to go into debt.

By the way, I voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012. In 2016 I voted against Trump.

Do you really know how many white people make good incomes whom are buried in debt. My friends wife works at a bank, and she is aware of the way they borrow and refinance to keep their heads above water, even those many make well above median income.

People black and whites- spend more money when they make more money. It's an "individual' things as to what and how people invest. Now, in general blacks have not been as well introduced to the stock market as have white people. But. there are many blacks who do invest in markets.

I see black and whites buy expensive cars when they get good positions or promotions on jobs. That too is just the nature of "people" black or white.

We all know that lenders do not lend equally among the races. If a black business tries to borrow money, the itemized requirements are quite different than if a white person wanted to borrow money to build a business in a white Community. Not only will whites get the money they are seeking, but they get money to enhance the curb appeal, marketing and advertising and money for inventory stability, as well as other things they convey their want or need for.

There is a history of 100's of years white people have had any and all kind of accessibility just by having white skin, but in only 50+ yrs, a high % of black people have advanced where as the long period of a high % of white people still have not advanced, when they had every advantage available to them.
In the next 50 yrs... the the advancements among blacks will still outpace whites, among the same segments of poor whites who have had 100's of yrs and still in dire poverty. Poor whites did not have a system of segregation holding them back from education or economic opportunity, so what excuse will you make for them?

I don't know what your general environment is... but maybe you need to get out and see more... and while looking, for every black that you down-rate for being in poverty, realize you will likely find 4-7 white people in the same or worst condition if you consider the expanse across this nation.

There is something black people did not get... they did not get any psychological counseling after the horrible brutality and savagery enacted upon and against them during slavery and post slavery, nor after segregation.. yet, white people have had access to everything, and there is a large number in psychological counseling and for some it seems not to be working very well, because too many were groomed to still measure themselves by money, material things and whether or not they were pretty or for some men, if he has some popular title to his name.
The old label of claiming blacks as being lazy, was a label attached, because blacks would no longer work for free, and they would not work like a pack mule at breakneck pace during the era of slavery. Then when white created black codes, that denied people equitable work, it was claimed blacks were criminal, simply because they were thrust into dire survival mode. But.. what black people had, was a "spiritual conscience" which gave them a sense of self worth, that no white system, man or racist program could take from them.

America is seeing the results of the so claimed superior knowledge of white men, because it has shown it fallacy by the massive failures that have ravaged this country, based on his greed that has done anything and everything to try and feed the avarice he was groomed to live in pursuit of... until companies are crashed, every kind of swindle that is imaginable, murders of business associates, stealing, fleecing anything and as we still see today, product packages size shrinking, with inferior ingredients, and loss of quality of the products being sold"... all so he can "hoard money". We see the 22 Trillion in Debt, and black people did not create it, nor did black people promote the "outsourcing" of industry, or the insanity of selling off legacy business, just so they can live with the antics as if they are royalty, and within a couple of generations, for some even less they've squandered it away. Maybe 2007-2008-2009 should have shown how many white people who had previously made high 6 figure salaries, filed bankruptcy within a very short time in the economic calamity... the same one that was created by white people, and their games of derivatives and credit default swaps... to now.. its being exposed as to how many got into the Ivy League Schools, not because of what they knew, but who they knew and what kind of money was spinning... and we see the results with the incessant cycle of failed industry led by those from these same universities.
 
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Anyone who wants reparations because their ancestors were enslaved, should get a one way ticket to Africa, which is where they'd be living if their ancestors hadn't been enslaved.

You don't know that.... you probably better learn some more history, beyond that 'white washed version" that was white wash propaganda, pushed in the school book, written mostly by people who were devoted to a white nationalist agenda of white man as hero.... It's laughable!!!!

If the American Native Indians, had not tried to trust the white man, only to find out what type of savagery he would result to engage... your ancestry would still be serfs and peasants in Europe.

Many of those European countries today, want nothing to do with "some" America white people.
 
you probably need to learn the reality of "absolute number"..... but keep chasing your delusions of superiority... it only demonstrate the inferiority born of your own fears. It's summer, maybe your should go lay out and try and get a tan, to make yourself feel better about yourself. It seems to be a traditional habit that many white people pursue.

So, just to clarify, you object to using percentages even though advocates talk about disproportionate impact of policies on minorities?
 
The Bell Curve has never been disproved. It has only been cursed at. A person's IQ is largely determined at conception. No one and nothing can significantly improve an IQ. This is not scientifically controversial.

Because there are so many sanctions against saying what nearly everyone privately knows to be true, an honest peer review of The Bell Curve could have been dangerous for the reviewer's career. Nevertheless, The Bell Curve did get good book reviews by people whose careers were safe. It was on The New York Times Best Seller list for months.


you don't have to disprove something that was never proved to begin with. if they actually cared about their bull**** being science-based and factual, they would have had it peer-reviewed like an actual scientific paper. instead, they made a bunch of racist claims with little to no evidence, and certainly no science backing them up, and of course it sold well - white people make up the majority of America, and at least 30% of them are racist pieces of ****.
 
So, just to clarify, you object to using percentages even though advocates talk about disproportionate impact of policies on minorities?

He objects to people like user smartcat using the "more white people" argument, when there are like 3 times more white people in the country. As a percentage, based on race, African Americans are much more likely to live in poverty.
 
I support reparations. Any person who was formerly a slave should be allowed to sue their old master for reparations over the damages being a slave caused an individual.

Now, in terms of mass handouts by the US government to people based on race because slavery was permitted 170 years ago? I strongly oppose that and see it as nothing more than pandering.
 
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Do you really know how many white people make good incomes whom are buried in debt. My friends wife works at a bank, and she is aware of the way they borrow and refinance to keep their heads above water, even those many make well above median income.

People black and whites- spend more money when they make more money. It's an "individual' things as to what and how people invest. Now, in general blacks have not been as well introduced to the stock market as have white people. But. there are many blacks who do invest in markets.

I see black and whites buy expensive cars when they get good positions or promotions on jobs. That too is just the nature of "people" black or white.

Nation, MARCH 8, 2001

The Black-White Wealth Gap

while African-Americans do earn less than whites, asset gaps remain large even when we compare black and white families at the same income levels. For instance, at the lower end of the economic spectrum (incomes less than $15,000 per year), the median African-American family has a net worth of zero, while the equivalent white family’s net worth is $10,000. Likewise, among the often-heralded new black middle class, the typical white family earning $40,000 per year enjoys a nest egg of around $80,000; its African-American counterpart has less than half that amount. Among the wealthiest Americans, the story is much the same:

The Black-White Wealth Gap | The Nation

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Nation tries to put a spin on this, trying to blame "the black-white wealth gap" somehow on white racism. What I see is that whites are more likely to live frugally, saving their money, and not buying things on credit.
 
I’m in the awkward position of finding myself agreeing with people I rarely agree with, namely, conservatives. I’m dead set against reparations.

My mother’s the daughter and granddaughter of Polish immigrants. Her family came here from Poland in the late 19th - early 20th century, long after slavery had ended. They are in no way responsible for the moral outrage known as slavery in the US.

My father’s ancestors came to the US from the UK and Germany in the 17th - 18th centuries. My family tree research shows that my paternal ancestors worked as farmers and skilled craftsman. None of them were rich and none of them owned lots of land. Census data show no evidence that any of them ever owned slaves.

So why should I be asked to make reparations when none of my ancestors ever benefited from the fruits of slave labor? Hell, if we’re going to go that route, then I want reparations for the wage discrimination that I experienced as a woman. (No, I’m not serious. Besides, the guys responsible are dead now.)
 
You don't know that.... you probably better learn some more history, beyond that 'white washed version" that was white wash propaganda, pushed in the school book, written mostly by people who were devoted to a white nationalist agenda of white man as hero.... It's laughable!!!!

If the American Native Indians, had not tried to trust the white man, only to find out what type of savagery he would result to engage... your ancestry would still be serfs and peasants in Europe.

Many of those European countries today, want nothing to do with "some" America white people.

Yeah, the Indians were pretty stupid to let millions of unassimilable foreigners in. One wonders if there's a lesson to be drawn from their mistake.
 
Yeah, the Indians were pretty stupid to let millions of unassimilable foreigners in. One wonders if there's a lesson to be drawn from their mistake.
”head em off at the pass” or work up a #6
 
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