Why they are angry

Good4Nothin · Feb 20, 2020

Lots of Americans are very angry now. Most of the anger is directed at the "other" side. In my opinion, the main reason people get extremely angry is because they "know" the "truth." They are confident in their own "reality," in their favorite sources of information. So they "know" that anyone who disagrees with them has to be stupid and/or ignorant.

They feel their anger is justified, is necessary. The world won't change the way they think it should if they don't get angry.

I see this on both sides, but I actually see it more on the "left." Why? I have a feeling it's the influence of Marxism, either direct or indirect.

Marxism has not died out, it is very much alive. And here is my interpretation of Marxism, and why it makes its followers so angry.

Marx criticized capitalism, because he saw the misery and unfairness it was causing. He was angry about it. Most of his writing is about how horrible capitalism was. He did not have a better idea. He assumed that capitalism was just a stage and that society would naturally evolve beyond it to something better.

The 20th century experiments in Marxism did not work out so well, but Marxism remained popular. The communist revolutions weren't done right, were hijacked by bad dictators, etc. But socialism/communism was a good idea.

Socialism/communism has been watered down a lot though. The idea of the central government taking over all industry, resources, and private property is just not as popular as it used to be. But there are still people who sympathize with the basic ideas that Marx expressed.

So what's wrong with that? Why shouldn't we be angry at unfairness and misery? Why shouldn't we hate a ruling class that suppresses the working class? Isn't anger a healthy motivator, that inspires us to improve the world?

Ok, but the problem is that Marxist anger is misdirected. If you are angry at the wrong people, you might as well direct your anger at a rock or a tree. And in the case of communist revolutions, the misdirected anger caused death and misery, instead of ending it.

I don't think our problems are caused by rich greedy rulers and owners. I don't think our wars are fought mainly because of greed. I don't think the natural environment is polluted mainly because of greedy corporations. I don't think our healthcare crisis is caused mainly by greedy insurance companies and drug companies.

There isn't really anyone to be angry at. Not even ourselves. We're all doing the best we can, given limited time and information and ability.

No, I don't mean we should give up and not care. We should try to solve problems. We are problem-solving animals. But if we decrease the anger, if we could stop thinking the "other" side is evil/stupid/ignorant, maybe it would be a little easier.

Hawkeye10 · Feb 20, 2020

Good4Nothin said:
Lots of Americans are very angry now. Most of the anger is directed at the "other" side. In my opinion, the main reason people get extremely angry is because they "know" the "truth." They are confident in their own "reality," in their favorite sources of information. So they "know" that anyone who disagrees with them has to be stupid and/or ignorant.

They feel their anger is justified, is necessary. The world won't change the way they think it should if they don't get angry.

I see this on both sides, but I actually see it more on the "left." Why? I have a feeling it's the influence of Marxism, either direct or indirect.

Marxism has not died out, it is very much alive. And here is my interpretation of Marxism, and why it makes its followers so angry.

Marx criticized capitalism, because he saw the misery and unfairness it was causing. He was angry about it. Most of his writing is about how horrible capitalism was. He did not have a better idea. He assumed that capitalism was just a stage and that society would naturally evolve beyond it to something better.

The 20th century experiments in Marxism did not work out so well, but Marxism remained popular. The communist revolutions weren't done right, were hijacked by bad dictators, etc. But socialism/communism was a good idea.

Socialism/communism has been watered down a lot though. The idea of the central government taking over all industry, resources, and private property is just not as popular as it used to be. But there are still people who sympathize with the basic ideas that Marx expressed.

So what's wrong with that? Why shouldn't we be angry at unfairness and misery? Why shouldn't we hate a ruling class that suppresses the working class? Isn't anger a healthy motivator, that inspires us to improve the world?

Ok, but the problem is that Marxist anger is misdirected. If you are angry at the wrong people, you might as well direct your anger at a rock or a tree. And in the case of communist revolutions, the misdirected anger caused death and misery, instead of ending it.

I don't think our problems are caused by rich greedy rulers and owners. I don't think our wars are fought mainly because of greed. I don't think the natural environment is polluted mainly because of greedy corporations. I don't think our healthcare crisis is caused mainly by greedy insurance companies and drug companies.

There isn't really anyone to be angry at. Not even ourselves. We're all doing the best we can, given limited time and information and ability.

No, I don't mean we should give up and not care. We should try to solve problems. We are problem-solving animals. But if we decrease the anger, if we could stop thinking the "other" side is evil/stupid/ignorant, maybe it would be a little easier.

We are pissed off because not only have the elite completely failed at their day jobs but they also constantly try to micro manage the lives of the masses....as they prove constantly that they are small immoral people who would keep their Pie Holes closed if they were better people.....which they most certainly are NOT!

ANY QUESTIONS!

Luther · Feb 20, 2020

Hawkeye10 said:
We are pissed off because not only have the elite completely failed at their day jobs but they also constantly try to micro manage the lives of the masses....as they prove constantly that they are small immoral people who would keep their Pie Holes closed if they were better people.....which they most certainly are NOT!

ANY QUESTIONS!

ANY QUESTIONS!

Yes

We are pissed off because not only have the elite completely failed at their day jobs

*Sigh*

"The tyranny of a prince in an oligarchy is not so dangerous to the public welfare as the apathy of a citizen in a democracy."

--Montesquieu, Spirit of the laws, 1748

Hawkeye10 · Feb 20, 2020

Luther said:
Yes

*Sigh*

You might stop trying,,,,,all U Do is prove that U R not worthy of me.

Luther · Feb 20, 2020

Hawkeye10 said:
You might stop trying,,,,,all U Do is prove that U R not worthy of me.

So within all my unworthiness, you didn't see any kind of point?

Hawkeye10 · Feb 20, 2020

Luther said:
So within all my unworthiness, you didn't see any kind of point?

You cant even produce enough words, let alone logic...to be worthy as one such as me....

bullseyelqcs · Feb 20, 2020

Hawkeye10 said:
You cant even produce enough words, let alone logic...to be worthy as one such as me....

Thats the ticket.....rather than discuss the merits of the post, instead simply declare yourself the superior intellect and call it a day.

Point to you sir.

Hawkeye10 · Feb 20, 2020

bullseyelqcs said:
Thats the ticket.....rather than discuss the merits of the post, instead simply declare yourself the superior intellect and call it a day.

Point to you sir.

I talk about what is.

It is a gift.

:2wave:

Luther · Feb 20, 2020

Hawkeye10 said:
You cant even produce enough words, let alone logic...to be worthy as one such as me....

Cause I'm not writing a book here

Logic? The guy who wrote the Quote(--Montesquieu) was a political philosopher who inspired our Founders

Oh well, I tried to be worthy to you, but, I have failed(LOL)

Hawkeye10 · Feb 20, 2020

Luther said:
Cause I'm not writing a book here

Logic? The guy who wrote the Quote(--Montesquieu) was a political philosopher who inspired our Founders

Oh well, I tried to be worthy to you, but, I have failed(LOL)

U did turn up inferior, and that is so sad to see....

Luther · Feb 20, 2020

Hawkeye10 said:
U did turn up inferior, and that is so sad to see....

I don't know about that, It was I who quoted a political genies who inspired our Founders

I use it to counter your post, you didn't like it

I will try harder and dig even deeper than people who inspired our Founding Fathers next time.

Man, am I going to have to work for it!

Hawkeye10 · Feb 20, 2020

Luther said:
I don't know about that, It was I who quoted a political genies who inspired our Founders

I use it to counter your post, you didn't like it

I will try harder and dig even deeper than people who inspired our Founding Fathers next time.

Man, am I going to have to work for it!

Your alleged counters to my posts have been generally thin, snarky, and not worthy of me.

This has been your last warning that better is expected.

This is DP!

Luther · Feb 20, 2020

Hawkeye10 said:
Your alleged counters to my posts have been generally thin, snarky, and not worthy of me.

This has been your last warning that better is expected.

This is DP!

This is DP!

Are you sure this is Debate Politics to you?

I'm not seeing it(LOL)

Hawkeye10 · Feb 20, 2020

Luther said:
Are you sure this is Debate Politics to you?

I'm not seeing it(LOL)

This is "TELL THE TRUTH" to me....

I am a Truth Teller, there are very few of us anymore I know but U are expected to know what is going on around U. ...

HK.227 · Feb 20, 2020

Good4Nothin said:
Marx criticized capitalism, because he saw the misery and unfairness it was causing. He was angry about it.

This is pretty much the essence of all utopian ideologies.

- Something is wrong.
- It's the fault of <insert group>
- Give up your freedom and do as I say, and everything will be great.

And every generation new kids fall for it.

Luther · Feb 20, 2020

Hawkeye10 said:
This is "TELL THE TRUTH" to me....

I am a Truth Teller, there are very few of us anymore I know but U are expected to know what is going on around U. ...

And so tell the truth here

Is Trump to you a Whitehorse with shinning armor that will save the day?

Do you have faith in our broken citizenry, therefore our Broken political system?

Hawkeye10 · Feb 20, 2020

HK.227 said:
This is pretty much the essence of all utopian ideologies.

- Something is wrong.
- It's the fault of <insert group>
- Give up your freedom and do as I say, and everything will be great.

And every generation new kids fall for it.

False...I am Guilford High class 1980...we were inoculated against this idea pathogen.

Hawkeye10 · Feb 20, 2020

Luther said:
And so tell the truth here

Is Trump to you a Whitehorse with shinning armor that will save the day?

Do you have faith in our broken citizenry, therefore our Broken political system?

Trump might have saved America, and infact all of Western Civilization...I dont know yet.

But I do know that he did his best, which is better than 99.953% do, so me and Trump are cool!

Luther · Feb 20, 2020

Hawkeye10 said:
Trump might have saved America, and infact all of Western Civilization...I dont know yet.

But I do know that he did his best, which is better than 99.953 do, so me and Trump are cool!

Me thinks you're panning "Fools gold"

Carry on

Hawkeye10 · Feb 20, 2020

Luther said:
Me thinks you're panning "Fools gold"

Carry on

I am 58 years and I have been right far more often than average....I will continue to do my best to help The Poor Unfortunates.

Irwin Corey · Feb 20, 2020

Good4Nothin said:
Lots of Americans are very angry now. Most of the anger is directed at the "other" side. In my opinion, the main reason people get extremely angry is because they "know" the "truth." They are confident in their own "reality," in their favorite sources of information. So they "know" that anyone who disagrees with them has to be stupid and/or ignorant.

They feel their anger is justified, is necessary. The world won't change the way they think it should if they don't get angry.

I see this on both sides, but I actually see it more on the "left."

There ya go, I wondered how long it would take for this "fair and unbiased" diatribe to turn into an attack on the left; 3 1/2 lines. That's good, for you.

Good4Nothin said:
I have a feeling it's the influence of Marxism, either direct or indirect.

Marxism has not died out, it is very much alive. And here is my interpretation of Marxism, and why it makes its followers so angry.

Marx criticized capitalism, because he saw the misery and unfairness it was causing. He was angry about it. Most of his writing is about how horrible capitalism was. He did not have a better idea. He assumed that capitalism was just a stage and that society would naturally evolve beyond it to something better.

We'll never know. Communism nor socialism has ever really existed, there have been many totalitarian that dressed up as on or the other but neither has ever existed.

Good4Nothin said:
So what's wrong with that? Why shouldn't we be angry at unfairness and misery? Why shouldn't we hate a ruling class that suppresses the working class? Isn't anger a healthy motivator, that inspires us to improve the world?

Ok, but the problem is that Marxist anger is misdirected. If you are angry at the wrong people, you might as well direct your anger at a rock or a tree. And in the case of communist revolutions, the misdirected anger caused death and misery, instead of ending it.

I don't think our problems are caused by rich greedy rulers and owners.

Now comes the hard right propaganda to get people to vote against their own best interests.

Good4Nothin said:
The 20th century experiments in Marxism did not work out so well, but Marxism remained popular. The communist revolutions weren't done right, were hijacked by bad dictators, etc. But socialism/communism was a good idea.

Socialism/communism has been watered down a lot though. The idea of the central government taking over all industry, resources, and private property is just not as popular as it used to be. But there are still people who sympathize with the basic ideas that Marx expressed.

Not really, "I've" never have known anybody (I've lived in the U.S. all my life) that wants to a communist or socialist economic system for these United States.<--period Not saying they don't exist, but they are extremely rare.

Good4Nothin said:
I don't think our wars are fought mainly because of greed. I don't think the natural environment is polluted mainly because of greedy corporations. I don't think our healthcare crisis is caused mainly by greedy insurance companies and drug companies.

Now here's were all the "reasonableness" assumes the mantel of dignified expert opinion wrapped up in a false blanket of fact. Because whether you believe it or not corporate greed is exactly what is keeping us from true progress here in These United States.

Good4Nothin said:
There isn't really anyone to be angry at. Not even ourselves. We're all doing the best we can, given limited time and information and ability.

Yes there is, going back to the beginning of time the Wealthy Powerful elite have always put their thumb on the scale to maintain their power and wealth. Adam Smith was very aware of that problem and his ideas of "free markets", as opposed to economies controlled and directed by the wealthy, came from that observation. We don't have free markets in the USA, our whole economy is controlled by the wealthy for their benefit.

Good4Nothin said:
No, I don't mean we should give up and not care.

NO? What you're really saying is we plebeians should just accept the "tinkle down" economy we've been given and let the wealthy have it all while we're pissed on.

Good4Nothin said:
We should try to solve problems. We are problem-solving animals. But if we decrease the anger, if we could stop thinking the "other" side is evil/stupid/ignorant, maybe it would be a little easier.

It would be a LOT easier if AmeriCANs would stop fighting each other and work together for the COMMON good. Not only that but if we don't we risk losing this Great Nation we've been given by our Founders and the Sweat and Blood of the Great AmeriCANs that come before us.

marke · Feb 20, 2020

Good4Nothin said:
Lots of Americans are very angry now. Most of the anger is directed at the "other" side. In my opinion, the main reason people get extremely angry is because they "know" the "truth." They are confident in their own "reality," in their favorite sources of information. So they "know" that anyone who disagrees with them has to be stupid and/or ignorant.

They feel their anger is justified, is necessary. The world won't change the way they think it should if they don't get angry.

I see this on both sides, but I actually see it more on the "left." Why? I have a feeling it's the influence of Marxism, either direct or indirect.

Marxism has not died out, it is very much alive. And here is my interpretation of Marxism, and why it makes its followers so angry.

Marx criticized capitalism, because he saw the misery and unfairness it was causing. He was angry about it. Most of his writing is about how horrible capitalism was. He did not have a better idea. He assumed that capitalism was just a stage and that society would naturally evolve beyond it to something better.

The 20th century experiments in Marxism did not work out so well, but Marxism remained popular. The communist revolutions weren't done right, were hijacked by bad dictators, etc. But socialism/communism was a good idea.

Socialism/communism has been watered down a lot though. The idea of the central government taking over all industry, resources, and private property is just not as popular as it used to be. But there are still people who sympathize with the basic ideas that Marx expressed.

So what's wrong with that? Why shouldn't we be angry at unfairness and misery? Why shouldn't we hate a ruling class that suppresses the working class? Isn't anger a healthy motivator, that inspires us to improve the world?

Ok, but the problem is that Marxist anger is misdirected. If you are angry at the wrong people, you might as well direct your anger at a rock or a tree. And in the case of communist revolutions, the misdirected anger caused death and misery, instead of ending it.

I don't think our problems are caused by rich greedy rulers and owners. I don't think our wars are fought mainly because of greed. I don't think the natural environment is polluted mainly because of greedy corporations. I don't think our healthcare crisis is caused mainly by greedy insurance companies and drug companies.

There isn't really anyone to be angry at. Not even ourselves. We're all doing the best we can, given limited time and information and ability.

No, I don't mean we should give up and not care. We should try to solve problems. We are problem-solving animals. But if we decrease the anger, if we could stop thinking the "other" side is evil/stupid/ignorant, maybe it would be a little easier.

Leftists should embrace those governments in poor third world nations because they do not have carbon-burning industrialization, they do not have rich financiers stimulating business growth, they do not have individual rights over the rights of governmental authorities and so forth.

I, on the other hand, embrace capitalism and the benefits it brings to world civilization. Thank God for rich businessmen who stimulate business growth for personal reasons. Thank God for industrialization in spite of ignorant fears of weather trends. Thank God for the freedom to worship Jesus and buy guns. And so forth.

Good4Nothin · Feb 20, 2020

Hawkeye10 said:
This is "TELL THE TRUTH" to me....

I am a Truth Teller, there are very few of us anymore I know but U are expected to know what is going on around U. ...

Yes, it is the TRUTH tellers who are angry. Because they KNOW all about everything.

Good4Nothin · Feb 20, 2020

HK.227 said:
This is pretty much the essence of all utopian ideologies.

- Something is wrong.
- It's the fault of <insert group>
- Give up your freedom and do as I say, and everything will be great.

And every generation new kids fall for it.

Uh huh.

snakestretcher · Feb 20, 2020

Good4Nothin said:
Lots of Americans are very angry now. Most of the anger is directed at the "other" side. In my opinion, the main reason people get extremely angry is because they "know" the "truth." They are confident in their own "reality," in their favorite sources of information. So they "know" that anyone who disagrees with them has to be stupid and/or ignorant.

They feel their anger is justified, is necessary. The world won't change the way they think it should if they don't get angry.

I see this on both sides, but I actually see it more on the "left." Why? I have a feeling it's the influence of Marxism, either direct or indirect.

Marxism has not died out, it is very much alive. And here is my interpretation of Marxism, and why it makes its followers so angry.

Marx criticized capitalism, because he saw the misery and unfairness it was causing. He was angry about it. Most of his writing is about how horrible capitalism was. He did not have a better idea. He assumed that capitalism was just a stage and that society would naturally evolve beyond it to something better.

The 20th century experiments in Marxism did not work out so well, but Marxism remained popular. The communist revolutions weren't done right, were hijacked by bad dictators, etc. But socialism/communism was a good idea.

Socialism/communism has been watered down a lot though. The idea of the central government taking over all industry, resources, and private property is just not as popular as it used to be. But there are still people who sympathize with the basic ideas that Marx expressed.

So what's wrong with that? Why shouldn't we be angry at unfairness and misery? Why shouldn't we hate a ruling class that suppresses the working class? Isn't anger a healthy motivator, that inspires us to improve the world?

Ok, but the problem is that Marxist anger is misdirected. If you are angry at the wrong people, you might as well direct your anger at a rock or a tree. And in the case of communist revolutions, the misdirected anger caused death and misery, instead of ending it.

I don't think our problems are caused by rich greedy rulers and owners. I don't think our wars are fought mainly because of greed. I don't think the natural environment is polluted mainly because of greedy corporations. I don't think our healthcare crisis is caused mainly by greedy insurance companies and drug companies.

There isn't really anyone to be angry at. Not even ourselves. We're all doing the best we can, given limited time and information and ability.

No, I don't mean we should give up and not care. We should try to solve problems. We are problem-solving animals. But if we decrease the anger, if we could stop thinking the "other" side is evil/stupid/ignorant, maybe it would be a little easier.

What 'Marxism', and where exactly in America is it being manifested? Details please.

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