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GOP Sen. Mike Lee furious after an 'insulting' Senate briefing on Trump's Iran strike:

EMNofSeattle said:
You’re such an anti-American that you want to blame our allies for 9/11?

The Saudi Government did not conduct 9/11. Bin Laden was a wanted man in Saudi Arabia at the time of the attacks.

Kashoggi was Osama’s BFF and wanted to turn Saudi Arabia into a legit terror state like Iran
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Fifteen of the nineteen 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia. Because Mohammad bin Salmon is Jared Kushner's 'bestie' and because Saudi Arabia paid the US $20 billion dollars for military hardware that they will possibly sell to our enemies, they get away with anything. Saudi money talks and it talks loudly. The blood of Khashoggi's murder is on the hands of the Saudis but they got away with that with a slap on the wrist. YES, Saudi Arabia in my opinion IS a terrorist country. Mohammad's father King Abdullah asked President Obama to blow up Iran once and for all. But republicans overlook all that stuff, just turn a blind eye to it all. Is that your definition of being a real 'American' ?
 
HumblePi said:
Fifteen of the nineteen 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia. Because Mohammad bin Salmon is Jared Kushner's 'bestie' and because Saudi Arabia paid the US $20 billion dollars for military hardware that they will possibly sell to our enemies, they get away with anything. Saudi money talks and it talks loudly. The blood of Khashoggi's murder is on the hands of the Saudis but they got away with that with a slap on the wrist. YES, Saudi Arabia in my opinion IS a terrorist country. Mohammad's father King Abdullah asked President Obama to blow up Iran once and for all. But republicans overlook all that stuff, just turn a blind eye to it all. Is that your definition of being a real 'American' ?
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I disagree like all countries KSA has their share of problems, but to call it a terrorist country is not accurate either.
 
US&THEM said:
I disagree like all countries KSA has their share of problems, but to call it a terrorist country is not accurate either.
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Saudi Arabia is a terrorist country but their terrorism is behind the scenes although the murder and dismemberment of Khashoggi was pretty much known as soon as it happened. Do you believe that Saudi Arabia paid the US 20 billion dollars for sophisticated USA made military weapons solely for their own defense? If you believe that, as the saying goes, I have a nice bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you real cheap. Saudi Arabia is wealthy enough to pay everyone else to do what they want them to do and to shut up about what they're doing.
 
HumblePi said:
Saudi Arabia is a terrorist country but their terrorism is behind the scenes although the murder and dismemberment of Khashoggi was pretty much known as soon as it happened. Do you believe that Saudi Arabia paid the US 20 billion dollars for sophisticated USA made military weapons solely for their own defense? If you believe that, as the saying goes, I have a nice bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you real cheap. Saudi Arabia is wealthy enough to pay everyone else to do what they want them to do and to shut up about what they're doing.
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I lived in Riyadh for 3 years, I understand what is going on there.
 
TomFitz said:
This is not the way things are done. The idea that a president can order the assasination of a senior figure in a foreign government without briefing Congress, and preferably, our closest allies, was almost unthinkable before Trump.

He doesn’t need permission. But he needs advice and to know who is going to support his position.

The imbecile just goes out and does it, doesn’t tell anyone in Congress, or our allies. Then they invoke the old Cheneyesque “iminent threat” line. Then Pompeo practically dares anyone to question him as he backs away from his own claim, and now they expect everyone to take them at their word!!!!!

And then, the idiot has the temerity to stand up there and demand that the very people he didn’t respect enough to inform (much less explain) his policy to, to fall in line behind his reckless failed schemes, and follows up with some right wing talk radio BS about Obama (as if that had anything to do with this!).

This man is in so far over his head that it’s long past time that he has his toys taken away from him before he can blow anything else up.
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First, it was not an assassination as typically defined. Merriam-Webster defines assassination as, “murder by sudden or secret attack often for political reasons: the act or an instance of assassinating someone (such as a prominent political leader).” However it was neither murder nor for political reasons.

The killing of an the commander of a hostile military force, on the battlefield, is never termed as murder. No one disputes that Soleimani and the other Hezbollah, Quds, and militia leaders were belligerents behind previous and recent attacks. No one dispute they were engaging in warfare in Iraq and follow for anti-American military operations. .

Second, it wasn't political. Soleimani was not acting as an Iranian politician in Iran, he was acting as a military commander in Iraq.

Third, Soleimani was head of the Quds, and directed a designated terrorist operation, targetable under he same legal rights enjoyed by Obama in his targeting of terrorists (including American citizens by the way).

Four, you don't meet and haggle with Congress when an opportunity arises. Prompt action is necessary and the last thing you do is meet for breakfast the next day to discuss it. YOU ACT.

This sort of backbone (rather than bluster) was long overdue.
 
US&THEM said:
I lived in Riyadh for 3 years, I understand what is going on there.
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Do you? Then why don't you tell us what's going on in Riyadh?
 
EMNofSeattle said:
The Saudis are key US allies. They have been since the Cold War. While I don’t agree with Islam theologically, the Saudis were very smart to realize communistic atheism is the death of civilization and take proactive steps to eliminate it in their country

They don’t have fatherless homes and alcoholism and random nutbars with unregistered guns killing kids at elementary schools left and right.
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Atheists didn't attack the US on 9/11...the Saudi's did. That you prefer authoritarian Wahhabism to the secular Constitution this country was founded on, says a lot about you.
 
HumblePi said:
Do you? Then why don't you tell us what's going on in Riyadh?
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MBS is in over his head, but had Jared K in his pocket. Yemen is a mess and we should have never helped the Qatar embargo.
 
Moot said:
Atheists didn't attack the US on 9/11...the Saudi's did. That you prefer authoritarian Wahhabism to the secular Constitution this country was founded on, says a lot about you.
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The Saudis did not attack us on 9/11. That is an outright lie.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
The Kingdom has zero complicity in the 9/11 attacks. Their intelligence cooperated with ours, Bin Laden was a wanted man in Saudi Arabia, it was liberal soyboy Bill Clinton who didn’t take care of Bin Laden before the attacks.

Is Canada responsible for ISIS? The guy cutting off people’s heads for ISIS was a Canuck
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Clinton's people briefed the Bush administration that there were credible threats against the US by Al Qaeda. The failure to heed their warnings and prevent 9/11 and to kill OBL falls on the Bush administration.
 
Moot said:
Clinton's people briefed the Bush administration that there were credible threats against the US by Al Qaeda. The failure to heed their warnings and prevent 9/11 and to kill OBL falls on the Bush administration.
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dont get me wrong. I would much rather Donald Trump have been president then Bush, but your blame deflection is pathetic
 
Moot said:
Clinton's people briefed the Bush administration that there were credible threats against the US by Al Qaeda. The failure to heed their warnings and prevent 9/11 and to kill OBL falls on the Bush administration.
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Clinton's administration failed to kill Bin Laden when he was offered up on a Silver platter.

And if the warnings were actionable why did not the Clinton administration act?

The hijackers entered and trained under Clinton.
 
HumblePi said:
Fifteen of the nineteen 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia. Because Mohammad bin Salmon is Jared Kushner's 'bestie' and because Saudi Arabia paid the US $20 billion dollars for military hardware that they will possibly sell to our enemies, they get away with anything. Saudi money talks and it talks loudly. The blood of Khashoggi's murder is on the hands of the Saudis but they got away with that with a slap on the wrist. YES, Saudi Arabia in my opinion IS a terrorist country. Mohammad's father King Abdullah asked President Obama to blow up Iran once and for all. But republicans overlook all that stuff, just turn a blind eye to it all. Is that your definition of being a real 'American' ?
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Good point, agree.

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US&THEM said:
MBS is in over his head, but had Jared K in his pocket. Yemen is a mess and we should have never helped the Qatar embargo.
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Mohammed bin Salman knows exactly where he stands with the US and the US is pandering to his every whim. The Saudis have been a close ally of USA since the 50's. Many reasons for that, oil and money. Because of money, the US doesn't care about fighting terrorism. If we were, we would have invaded the Saudis and not Iraq since Iraq is absolutely nothing in comparison to Saudi Arabia who controls such massive quantities of money that it's terrifying. Saudi Arabia is a very important country in the Muslim world because Mecca, the most sacred place in Islam, is in Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia has shown itself to be the most reliable and stable ally in Middle East, because of their money. The Saudis are paying the US big bucks to have our US military there. This helps in containing Iran and keeping Israel safe to a certain extent. The US depends on good relations with the Saudis because if the US keeps good relations with Saudi Arabia, the US will have enormous resources of cheap oil if the US ever goes to war against Russia for example in the future.

So the US allows these rich murderers to keep doing their horrible things and allow them to keep up with their horrible enterprises. One of the hacked Hillary Clinton emails to John Podesta was this:

“We need to use our diplomatic and more traditional intelligence assets to bring pressure on the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, which are providing clandestine financial and logistic support to ISIL and other radical Sunni groups in the region.”

Providing financing to terrorist groups like ISIL and the Sunnis is something that has been suspected. It's really difficult to imagine that ISIL just happened to find $4 billion dollars laying on the dirt and they picked it up. In 2009, Wikileaks published diplomatic cables from the US State Department which spelt out the same concerns.

“Donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide,” the documents said. “While the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (KSA) takes seriously the threat of terrorism within Saudi Arabia, it has been an ongoing challenge to persuade Saudi officials to treat terrorist financing emanating from Saudi Arabia as a strategic priority."

FactCheck Q&A: Is Saudi Arabia funding ISIS? – Channel 4 News
 
EMNofSeattle said:
The Saudis did not attack us on 9/11. That is an outright lie.
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At least 15 of the 9/11 attackers were Saudi nationals...and some of them were funded by a Saudi official. The name of that Saudi official was recently released to the families of the 9/11 victims as the result of a decades long lawsuit filed by them. However, even though the name was only released to the 9/11 families lawyers and not the public...it seemed to satisfy the 9/11 families suspicions that the Saudi government was involved in 9/11.

What We Know About Saudi Arabia’s Role in 9/11 – Foreign Policy

Lawsuit by Relatives of 9/11 Victims Shakes Loose Name of Saudi ‘Mystery Man’ | Voice of America - English
 
Moot said:
At least 15 of the 9/11 attackers were Saudi nationals...and some of them were funded by a Saudi official. The name of that Saudi official was recently released to the families of the 9/11 victims as the result of a decades long lawsuit filed by them. However, even though the name was only released to the 9/11 families lawyers and not the public...it seemed to satisfy the 9/11 families suspicions that the Saudi government was involved in 9/11.

What We Know About Saudi Arabia’s Role in 9/11 – Foreign Policy

Lawsuit by Relatives of 9/11 Victims Shakes Loose Name of Saudi ‘Mystery Man’ | Voice of America - English
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So some guy paid some guy who paid some guy is not an argument. You have not proven that the Saudis, as in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, conducted the 9/11 attack. Only that someone who was connected to Saudi Intelligence was paying off someone connected to Al qeada. It’s normal for intelligence officials to be connected to shady things. The Kingdom is not responsible for 9/11 and your own sources do not prove such a thing
 
Middle_Ground said:
I care very much about our boys and girls.
The problem with this action is country a (USA) assassinated one of country b's (Iran) top military/government official, simply by naming country b's military s terrorist organization.
In the minds of Trump and his supporters this compares to terror organizations and their leaders.
It's just another precedent set. Any country can deem any other countries military a terrorist organization then just go kill that countries leaders.
Its ****ing absolutely crazy anyone would agree with this. You know other countries love their sons and daughters to.
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As I explained in several posts, including post 82, the US did not assassinate an Iranian official. The US killed a military commander, directing belligerents, making war in a foreign country. The fact that he is of political importance to the leadership of Iran is irrelevant - it does not buy him immunity and free to attack or kill Americans on the US battlefield.

And yes, he has headed the Quds, an organization designated as terrorist long before the General was terminated. It doesn't matter what other countries think is a terrorist, all that matter is that our country knows who they are and if they are a threat to American lives. After directly killing over 600 Americans, we knew.

Now the relentless killer of Americans has been killed. Let us appreciate the moment.
 
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Fledermaus said:
Clinton's administration failed to kill Bin Laden when he was offered up on a Silver platter.

And if the warnings were actionable why did not the Clinton administration act?

The hijackers entered and trained under Clinton.
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The silver platter was at Tora Bora...but US troops were told to stand down by Bush administration officials.

The 9/11 hijackers trained under Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan with the blessing of the Taliban. The Taliban were largely created and funded under Reagan.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
So some guy paid some guy who paid some guy is not an argument. You have not proven that the Saudis, as in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, conducted the 9/11 attack. Only that someone who was connected to Saudi Intelligence was paying off someone connected to Al qeada. It’s normal for intelligence officials to be connected to shady things. The Kingdom is not responsible for 9/11 and your own sources do not prove such a thing
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I have sufficiently proven that the Saudi government was involved. I didn't say anything about the Saudi royals. You on the other hand haven't a proven or disproven a damn thing.
 
Rexedgar said:
I listened to Sen Lee’s remarks and I had to wait for the banner running along the bottom of the piece to make sure he was an (R.)
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He's in that isolationist group at times with Rand Paul and Ted Cruz once in a while. I remember a lot of times he was one of two Republicans, I forget if the other was Paul or Cruz, who would take these sort of positions. But none of that is really the issue on the quality of this briefing, which sounds like it had trump incompetence.
 
Moot said:
I have sufficiently proven that the Saudi government was involved. I didn't say anything about the Saudi royals. You on the other hand haven't a proven or disproven a damn thing.
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No you have not. You have not proven the Saudi government was complicit in the 9/11 attacks in any way
 
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