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Tell the truth Republicans. Did you guys really not know that Donald Trump with this corrupt?

KLATTU said:
yeah yeah yeah , I know . He's going to be indicted as soon as he leaves office in five years. Blah blah blah.
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FTFY


Hondo said:
Because I really would like to know when the latest Watergate scandal is real. I supported Jim Webb last election. I'm fed up with all these media outlets that are a complete disgrace to journalistic ethics and do the American people absolutely no good by crying, "Foul!" every evening. I'm f**king sick of CNN and FOX News and I wish that CBS, NBC, ABC, and PBS actually could report something that speaks to both sides of the American aisle without slanting left all the time. What's the next election? Orange Man vs. Pretend Red Woman?
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Unfortunately, slanted reporting is the historic norm. 100 years ago it was fairly evenly divided by parties. One of FDR's legacies was the destruction of Republican-leaning papers. Broadcast journalism grew up leaning left, television even more so.
 
CaughtInThe said:
It's okay to still be in denial. Republican Media is genius in convincing people of lies.

It's up to each voter or not to be gullible. You just haven't figured that out yet. You still don't understand the kind of crook and liar that Donald Trump is. And that's really sad and on you.
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No. Sorry man. Right wing media didn't prop up a false political hit story about the President being a Russian asset for over two years. Yours did. In case you haven't noticed, your side's media are the liars. It right there....no secret. Who's gullible?
I know who Trump is, and he's CERTAINLY not perfect. He's actually doing a pretty good job, though. And he's not the person you haters say he is.
 
beefheart said:
Go ahead, indict Hillary.

Open up a dozen investigations.

You got nothing, but you sure are obsessing on it.
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THere you go again. Can't argue the obvious so lets go to another idea that you might win?

You supported such a vile POS that you lost the election to a reality TV show host. What more do you need?

Can't live with the reality of what happened so lets pull out all the stops on why Hillary lost.

Or should we just bring up the ongoing list

1. Russia:
2. The DNC:
3. Sexism and misogyny:
4. A Democratic predecessor:
5. Bernie Sanders:
6. Wikileaks:
7. Her "traditional" campaign:
8. The debate questions, not being asked
9. Political journalists:
10. Campaign financing:
11. President Obama:
12. TV coverage of the campaign:
13. Low-information voters:
14. Women under pressure from men:
15. James Comey:
16. The Supreme Court
17. Jon Stewart
18. Putin
19. Jill Stein
20. White Resentment

Now you want to know the real reason Hillary lost.

 
Mach said:
That you appear to agree that Trump is corrupt, and that you don't care about it, is sufficient for me to understand your position. There is nothing to debate there, it's your own tragic belief on display.
Apathy isn't for everyone.
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No, I'm a realist. None of your beloved candidates is squeaky clean, either. They are all ambitious people trying to gain power, and power corrupts. They will make deals with the devil in order to achieve their goals. That means money, and lots of it. Then they will be owned by those providing that money. Trump is no better nor worse than the rest of them. Grow up and realize that's the world we live in.
 
Waddy said:
No, I'm a realist. None of your beloved candidates is squeaky clean, either.
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So your standard is squeaky clean, and not squeaky clean? Yes, that's absurd of you to suggest..always the false equivlancy. That's how you know you're backing terrible people, when you have to lower the standards to the point they have no meaning.
Your are not making a case for why he's good, or why you are correct. You are giving us an excuse for why you choose to support terrible people...I accept that's your position...nothing to debate there.

Trump is no better nor worse than the rest of them. Grow up and realize that's the world we live in.
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Hilariously stupid. Trump is no better or worse...no one is any better or worse, therefore nothing matters. Maybe you're not just evidencing apathy, but nihilism.
NOTHING CAN BE MEASURED!!

Fail as much as you like in rebuttal, I don't mind. Why even respond? Nothing matters according to Waddy, we can't differentiate good from bad, right or wrong....1000 violations vs 1, they are IDENTICAL!

You are defintiely at the top in terms of dumb arguments though.

Trump being corrupt is irrelevant people, because EVERYONE is just as corrupt!!
Shout it Waddy, I love it!
 
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Condor060 said:
THere you go again. Can't argue the obvious so lets go to another idea that you might win?

You supported such a vile POS that you lost the election to a reality TV show host. What more do you need?

Can't live with the reality of what happened so lets pull out all the stops on why Hillary lost.

Or should we just bring up the ongoing list

1. Russia:
2. The DNC:
3. Sexism and misogyny:
4. A Democratic predecessor:
5. Bernie Sanders:
6. Wikileaks:
7. Her "traditional" campaign:
8. The debate questions, not being asked
9. Political journalists:
10. Campaign financing:
11. President Obama:
12. TV coverage of the campaign:
13. Low-information voters:
14. Women under pressure from men:
15. James Comey:
16. The Supreme Court
17. Jon Stewart
18. Putin
19. Jill Stein
20. White Resentment

Now you want to know the real reason Hillary lost.
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Boy, such unfocused anger in your life! Again, if you think Hillary is so corrupt, why not indict her?

Remember, Hillary spent 10 hours testifying in front of congress, your cult leader is too much of a ***** to have even been interviewed by Mueller.

Keep up your angry rant, its oddly amusing and satisfying.:lamo
 
beefheart said:
Boy, such unfocused anger in your life! Again, if you think Hillary is so corrupt, why not indict her?

Remember, Hillary spent 10 hours testifying in front of congress, your cult leader is too much of a ***** to have even been interviewed by Mueller.

Keep up your angry rant, its oddly amusing and satisfying.:lamo
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Deflecting again? Can't seem keep up with the conversation? Are you having trouble?

The discussion is about why Hillary lost and why a reality TV host beat her.

Not my anger against her,
Not her testifying,
Not how Trump won't be interviewed by Mueller,
Not indicting Hillary,
Not opening a dozen investigations,
Not me obsessing over Hillary

I understand the need for you to get away from the obvious subject matter but try and keep up if you can.
 
Condor060 said:
I have heard some pretty lame excuses as to why Hillary lost, this one wins the prize as the most idiotic. Congratulations.

Putin was able to do what no other candidate could figure out because he needed Trump to kill a bunch of Russians in Syria, expel 60 of his Russian Oligarchs from the US, and provide weapons to Ukraine. Do you even realize how stupid that statement is?
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Do you even realize how Putin gave less than a **** about Russian mercenaries?

They were pawns, executable losses to achieve the overall goal. It was clearly planned to make the easily manipulated to believe exactly what you believe.

Trump won by under 80,000 votes decided between four states that were the only way to win.

Trump was only a little aware of how Putin was doing it but he was completely complicit.

Hell trump even said in one of his "speeches" to not pay attention to the polls, pay attention to the midwest, we are going to win through the electoral college...
 
Condor060 said:
Deflecting again? Can't seem keep up with the conversation? Are you having trouble?

The discussion is about why Hillary lost and why a reality TV host beat her.

Not my anger against her,
Not her testifying,
Not how Trump won't be interviewed by Mueller,
Not indicting Hillary,
Not opening a dozen investigations,
Not me obsessing over Hillary

I understand the need for you to get away from the obvious subject matter but try and keep up if you can.
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Indict her already.

What are you afraid of?
 
GDViking said:
Do you even realize how Putin gave less than a **** about Russian mercenaries?

They were pawns, executable losses to achieve the overall goal. It was clearly planned to make the easily manipulated to believe exactly what you believe.

Trump won by under 80,000 votes decided between four states that were the only way to win.

Trump was only a little aware of how Putin was doing it but he was completely complicit.

Hell trump even said in one of his "speeches" to not pay attention to the polls, pay attention to the midwest, we are going to win through the electoral college...
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The ONLY evidence that Russia did anything was 3500 facebook adds. IF you think 3500 facebook adds could kill the billions spent in the media on that election then you need to work for facebook and make a billion dollars yourself.
 
Condor060 said:
Now you want to know the real reason Hillary lost.

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Umm...you do know that "Jonathan Pie" is a character, not a real person, don't you?

He's a British comedian (that's not his real name) whose entire schtick is predicated upon PORTRAYING himself in video skits as a "news anchor" offering his "real" opinions just before (or after) finishing a newscast. Did you take it/him seriously, simply because he was saying what YOU want to hear?

Yes, of course you did.

Geez...:roll:...well, I just have one more question for you, Condor: Why do you people ALWAYS resort to this kind of FAKE NEWS (i.e. opinion pieces, conservative pundits, skits, etc. ) and then get your feelings hurt when non-wingnuts mock you for it?
 
CaughtInThe said:
Donald Trump has been a lying crook since the 1980s. It's none of our fault that you guys haven't figured that out yet.
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That's exactly why the smart Republicans (like me) didn't vote for him and why we are all #NeverTrumpers.

Anyone whose brain contains more than 2 working cells knew it would be a mistake to vote for Trump. Country over party, unless you're stupid and/or un-American.
 
Hondo said:
Because I really would like to know when the latest Watergate scandal is real. I supported Jim Webb last election. I'm fed up with all these media outlets that are a complete disgrace to journalistic ethics and do the American people absolutely no good by crying, "Foul!" every evening. I'm f**king sick of CNN and FOX News and I wish that CBS, NBC, ABC, and PBS actually could report something that speaks to both sides of the American aisle without slanting left all the time. What's the next election? Orange Man vs. Pretend Red Woman?
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Who are you kidding?

There is no "both sides" to the truth. There are not "liberal" facts and "conservative" facts. Facts do not have an ideology.

Your outrage is contrived. You're a right winger who subscribes to the long-discredited "liberal media" narrative...and that means that you're also likely a bit of a conspiracy theorist, as well.

Like a slowing increasing number of conservatives these days, you appear to be a Trump acolyte who is looking for a backdoor way to begin distancing yourself from a man whose scandals are becoming too much...even for people like you...to continue to ignore.

But it won't work.
 
Mr Person said:
The corruption is the point, right along with the cruelty.

They spent Obama's years talking themselves into believing that they are endlessly victimized by liberals and that therefore there is nothing wrong with attacking liberals using the worst means possible. Hence, they voted for Trump, the very worst of the worst. Hence they cheer every time a liberal notes the dangers of undoing environmental regulations, when a liberal criticizes separating children while not making efforts to keep them linked up with parents and even denying them soap/toothbrushes for months, or perhaps when a liberal notes the dishonest and craven behavior surrounding stealing Garland's seat.

Make no mistake: they like the corruption specifically because it offends.
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This actually all started in the 1860s.
 
Jay59 said:
Unfortunately, slanted reporting is the historic norm. 100 years ago it was fairly evenly divided by parties. One of FDR's legacies was the destruction of Republican-leaning papers. Broadcast journalism grew up leaning left, television even more so.
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Stupid comments.

Anyone who honestly believes the news was "evenly divided by parties" 100 years ago is simply ignorant of his own history.
 
Condor060 said:
Yeah,
You mean the same candidate who got questions to debates in advance
You mean the same candidate whos husband met with the the head of the DOJ on the secret tarmac meeting during her investigation
You mean the same candidate who had the DNC remove Bernie from the election process
You mean the same candidate who had her illegal subpoenaed servers wiped
You mean the same candidate candidate who deleted over 30,000 subpoenaed emails
You mean the same candidate who lied about Benghazi being over an internet video
You mean the same candidate that Comey stated had classified government documents on her personal server

Yeah, shes a real honest candidate. So honest that a TV reality show host beat her.
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And she's still a thousand times more honest than Donald Trump.

That is, by far, the most beautiful thing about this whole Trump era. You guys picked the biggest crook possible.

People will eventually stop saying "he's like Nixon" they'll say "he's like Trump" when pointing out a crook.
 
Grandpappy said:
No. Sorry man. Right wing media didn't prop up a false political hit story about the President being a Russian asset for over two years. Yours did. In case you haven't noticed, your side's media are the liars. It right there....no secret. Who's gullible?
I know who Trump is, and he's CERTAINLY not perfect. He's actually doing a pretty good job, though. And he's not the person you haters say he is.
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And yet Republican media did such a good job at villifying one person and propping up a crook that you guys voted in the biggest crook possible.

You are just a bunch of suckers. Probably the same folks that believe Microsoft is calling you because your computer has a virus.
 
Waddy said:
I couldn't be sure about Trump. But I knew Hillary was corrupt to the bone. Along with Pelosi, Reed, and a host of other Democrats who are also corrupt or facing charges. Or in prison. Or out now. Or going back soon. Liberals, you don't hold the moral high ground here, so best not to play the corruption card.
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Sorry, but ANYONE who "couldn't be sure about Trump"...was either gullible or stupid. Either way, they were almost certainly just angry white folk looking for reasons to explain their support for Trump. But we KNOW...for a FACT...that support for Trump was primarily link most directly to one thing: high levels of racial resentment and cultural fear.

And as for your ridiculous "corrupt Democrats" narrative:

Let's see...

Hillary: zero indictments
Pelosi: Zero indictments
Reed: Zero indictments

"Other Democrats"???....let's see:
Obama: Zero indictments, the president in the last 150 years to complete 2 full terms without ONE SINGLE ethical or corruption scandal.

Bill Clinton: yep, there you go. He did lie about his sexual conquests and he probably did get away with sexual harassment (if not assault) in his past as well.

So, there's your "corrupt Democrat".

Trump Administration: 35+ indictments, 13 convictions and/or guilty pleas...and counting.

No contest. Trump is the most corrupt president (already, after only 2.5 years) in the HISTORY of this country. That is not arguable. The only questions are with respect to "why"?...and..."to what end?"

Let's at least try to be honest about the facts in these debates, ok?
 
CaughtInThe said:
...was this corrupt.

He's been the same way since the 1980s. All you had to do was open your eyes or do a little research to find out how the guy operates. None of this was a secret. Did you just ignore the truth because you wanted 1 or 2 things?

Or is this all about guaranteeing that the 1st president after the 1st minority president was someone who could be savage to your political opponents?
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Since the 70's, actually.

That was when he and his daddy were first forced to settle with the federal government for racial discrimination in public housing projects.

And, let's not forget that Donald was raised at the knee of his daddy (Fred), a man who was once arrested at a KKK rally, that turned into a riot, against Jews and Catholics moving into the Queens (NY) area.

So Donald comes by his bigotry and racism "honestly". It's in his genes, as they say.
 
snakestretcher said:
Trump was shocked that he won. Did you see the look on his face after Obama gave him the tour? It clearly said, 'what the **** have I gotten myself into; it sounds hard'.
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Go back a few hours, did you see the picture when the race was called for him? The saddest clown at the circus.
 
OrphanSlug said:
That is just it, right there.

We have been hearing for years about "Crooked Hillary" and "Cheatin' Obama" so imagine either Hillary or Obama having such an organization dedicated to protecting them to the point of payoffs and hush money for their affairs? Or worse imagine Hillary or Obama saying they have a great relationship with Kim Jong-Un while he fires off dozens of missiles into the Pacific, or defending Putin on the international stage while he does all he does both at home and around the globe.

But at the end of the day what we really have in Trump is a thrice married, multiple time adulterer, questionable business dealings and ties all over the planet, cannot go a single day without lying, narcissistic lunatic as a President and the best "social conservatives" and Republicans can come up with is supporting Trump is better than the alternative.

Then you add in people like Michele Bachmann with the whole "we will in all likelihood never see a more godly, biblical president again in our lifetime" and all you can do is shake your head.
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If all fairness, Michele Bachmann was cuckoo for cocoa puffs before it was cool, so I think she gets a sort of grandfathered state.
 
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