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Trump: I am the chosen one

Grandpappy said:
The American people. One of his campaign promises was to deal with China and fair trade. That's just one of the reasons we voted for him.
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How's Mexico coming along paying for that wall? LOL! Suckers!
 
It is worth mentioning that the entire Trumpian phenomenon in all its glory is steeped in the historical context of Old Saxony. Germany pre-WW1 was still the bellicose bull-necked bully of Europe, entirely convinced that it had rightful claim to anything it damn well pleased. It was so disposed because it believed its warlike cultural heritage meant that it's claim was valid simply because it was willing to fight for it and only because it was willing to fight for it. Its capability to invent these massive Victimization Narratives allowed it to commit untold atrocities including the "punishment" of Neutral Belgium for having the unmitigated gall to defend itself when Germany crossed its borders at the start of WW1. In fact in stepping across the Belgian Frontier Germany claimed all the while that they HAD TO because France was going to do so and in "self defense" of the German state Germany had to cross into Neutral Belgium first! "We are justified" was actually proclaimed in European diplomatic exchanges. That particular German Victimization Narrative entirely avoids the fact that Belgium was pleading with France sidle right up to the Belgian Frontier in anticipation that Germany would in fact cross which it in fact did.

ARE YOU FOLKS beginning to see how this thread leads directly to Donald Trump or should I more accurately say Donald Drumpf and his bull necked bullying and endless massive Victimization Narratives?

The interesting irony is that the Drumpfs were part of the large German MIGRATION to our shores or what DonDon would call INFESTATION that occurred well before WW1 much less WW2. So those that resettled here missed the lessons finally learned by Germany and the Germans that remained in Germany. In fact, it took two world wars to finally kick this crap out of Germany and Germans in Europe because the Triple Entente plus belligerents like the US did not have the balls to put the mad dog down completely after WW1. Frankly, one reason that European unity and US involvement is critical to keeping the Western Democracies alive and well is because that Old Saxony cultural heritage of privilege and destiny JUST BECAUSE is still there in Germany, simply tamped down.

As for us in the US, there are so many people of German heritage here that there was bound to be some that carry that same cultural heritage that plagued Europe. It was likely only a matter of time before the Saxon end of Anglo-Saxon became an issue here manifest in those ethnic Germans that came here and thus avoided the lesson learned by Germany itself and Germans in Europe themselves.

That does not change the issues we have with a President that has gone entirely around the bend. But the entire circumstance is dripping with irony in that the MIGRATION (or in Trumpian Terms, INFESTATION) from Old Saxony to the United States provided the foundation for what drives the madman in the WH. The Kaiser was pretty loopy himself and then there is that "other guy" we had to deal with eventually.
 
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SonOfDaedalus said:
Actually, we have mountains of idiotic nonsense coming from Trump's mouth.
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I used to have a calendar of daily bush idiotic comments.

For trump it can t be daily, it needs to at least be hourly.

He should be a character in a comedy staring Jerry Lewis as a bumbling idiot who thinks he is successful because he was born rich...
 
“Jesus answered and said to them: ‘Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, “I am the Christ,” and will deceive many’ ” (Matthew 24:4, 5, NKJV).
 
2 Thessalonians 2:11 King James Version (KJV)
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
 
LOL at the above posts. Next time you watch or read the mainstream media, see if you can see the bias against Trump. Just put all of your talking points aside for a while. Look for clever editing, then watch the whole event, not just what they present as news. And think about what the man actually says, not what they tell you he said.
 
jnug said:
Ridiculous. Trump has been an endless crap storm from day 1. The forum formate basically plays to parsing his nonsense one issue at a time and discussing each individually. But in truth it has been an endless daily crap storm that does not end and only gets worse. The site administrators do not allow the word count required to go through it all in one post and it will someday require a War and Peace length tome if anybody attempts to record and discuss them all in a literary formate.

Trump can't be trusted on any stuff of any scope or scale and his cultish hordes simply care more about what they want out of the Trump Presidency regardless of the wreckage he causes here and abroad. They can't be trusted with "stuff" of any scope or scale either. In fact a good many of his followers want the wreckage because they want to burn this Constitutional Republic to the ground and come out the other side with the country THEY think they deserve. Others are outright enemies of this country and want to take it down for their own purposes. That is as obvious as the noses on our faces now.

There are some Trump followers that are just along for the ride. But there are always some followers along for the ride. However there is a hard core base. Its intentions are obvious and both they and Donald should be dealt with accordingly.
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OR, the stock market has hit 149 historical highs, unemployment it at historical lows, we have 3.5 GDP, 5 million new jobs, and the best economy since the 60s and you're feelings are still hurt over an election.
 
SheWolf said:
Everybody who isn’t a Trump supporter takes him more seriously than his supporters ever have. That’s the problem with Trump supporters. You got what you voted for,
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Yes we did. 3.5 GDP, 149 historical stock market highs, historical unemployment, 5 million new jobs, and the best economy since the 60s.

Obviously not what Liberals want. If they did they would be promoting the best economy we have seen in decades.
 
jnug said:
It is worth mentioning that the entire Trumpian phenomenon in all its glory is steeped in the historical context of Old Saxony. Germany pre-WW1 was still the bellicose bull-necked bully of Europe, entirely convinced that it had rightful claim to anything it damn well pleased. It was so disposed because it believed its warlike cultural heritage meant that it's claim was valid simply because it was willing to fight for it and only because it was willing to fight for it. Its capability to invent these massive Victimization Narratives allowed it to commit untold atrocities including the "punishment" of Neutral Belgium for having the unmitigated gall to defend itself when Germany crossed its borders at the start of WW1. In fact in stepping across the Belgian Frontier Germany claimed all the while that they HAD TO because France was going to do so and in "self defense" of the German state Germany had to cross into Neutral Belgium first! "We are justified" was actually proclaimed in European diplomatic exchanges. That particular German Victimization Narrative entirely avoids the fact that Belgium was pleading with France sidle right up to the Belgian Frontier in anticipation that Germany would in fact cross which it in fact did.

ARE YOU FOLKS beginning to see how this thread leads directly to Donald Trump or should I more accurately say Donald Drumpf and his bull necked bullying and endless massive Victimization Narratives?

The interesting irony is that the Drumpfs were part of the large German MIGRATION to our shores or what DonDon would call INFESTATION that occurred well before WW1 much less WW2. So those that resettled here missed the lessons finally learned by Germany and the Germans that remained in Germany. In fact, it took two world wars to finally kick this crap out of Germany and Germans in Europe because the Triple Entente plus belligerents like the US did not have the balls to put the mad dog down completely after WW1. Frankly, one reason that European unity and US involvement is critical to keeping the Western Democracies alive and well is because that Old Saxony cultural heritage of privilege and destiny JUST BECAUSE is still there in Germany, simply tamped down.

As for us in the US, there are so many people of German heritage here that there was bound to be some that carry that same cultural heritage that plagued Europe. It was likely only a matter of time before the Saxon end of Anglo-Saxon became an issue here manifest in those ethnic Germans that came here and thus avoided the lesson learned by Germany itself and Germans in Europe themselves.

That does not change the issues we have with a President that has gone entirely around the bend. But the entire circumstance is dripping with irony in that the MIGRATION (or in Trumpian Terms, INFESTATION) from Old Saxony to the United States provided the foundation for what drives the madman in the WH. The Kaiser was pretty loopy himself and then there is that "other guy" we had to deal with eventually.
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I would differ from you analysis by raising these points: 1- Germany, like Italy, became a unified, coherent European country late in the game, which is why both countries tried to get in on the imperialist bandwagon in Africa and even the Americas. 2- As it was explained to me by my 1950s history textbook, Britain had the most powerful navy in the world, Germany the most powerful army on the continent. Germany, as was its right, tried to develop a navy, which freaked out Britain. (Check out the book "Dreadnaught, which I believe describes some of this); 3- one of the theories of the appeal of Hitler was that the allies *did* treat Germany like a mad dog and put it down, requiring the country to take blame for the war and imposing terrible conditions in the peace.

My theory is that the greatest crime of the last century was WWI. It was an exercise in colossal stupidity that devoured much of the youth of Europe and left the world with Hitler and Stalin for dessert. The idiocy of the letters between Nicky (Russia) and Willie (Germany) is a great starting point. One of the best movies on the topic (stupidity) is Kubrick's Paths of Glory, which contains one of the most moving scenes in film at the end. Check it out.
 
Condor060 said:
Yes we did. 3.5 GDP, 149 historical stock market highs, historical unemployment, 5 million new jobs, and the best economy since the 60s.

Obviously not what Liberals want. If they did they would be promoting the best economy we have seen in decades.
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So you're admittinging that when Obama left office unemployment was just 1% above historical lows after he inherited a disaster of an economy from the previous Republican administration?

There's no 3.5 yearly GDP from Trump. He didn't even cross 3.0 like he promised. But Trump did give us trillion dollar deficits without an economic crisis like Obama faced.

And the stock market....

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How the markets performed under Trump and Obama | Financial Planning
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
So you're admittinging that when Obama left office unemployment was just 1% above historical lows after he inherited a disaster of an economy from the previous Republican administration?

There's no 3.5 yearly GDP from Trump. He didn't even cross 3.0 like he promised. But Trump did give us trillion dollar deficits without an economic crisis like Obama faced.

And the stock market....

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Thats about the fakest chart I have ever seen. What kind of desperation is that. lol Your God (Obama) left us with double the national debt, a stagnated economy, with decreasing GDP all the way to 1.8 in his last quarter, and so many people out of work they stopped counting them and decided to take them off the market for looking for jobs.

You can twist Obama under the light all you want but once Trump got rid of Obamas job killing regulations, the stock market hit the highest numbers in this countries history. And Obamas 4.8 unemployment was after millions were taken out of the equation because they stooped looking for jobs. You can't kill the 5 million new jobs Obama said would never happen, the GDP, the lowest unemployment in history or the best economy since the 60s.

Suck it up buttercup. Trump trashed any hope you have of getting another dumbocrat in office. Let alone the candidates running on free healthcare for Illegals at taxpayer expense, decriminalization of Illegals, and trying to get rid of DHS and ICE. Can't wait to see the crying in 2020. It will be epic.
 
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Condor060 said:
OR, the stock market has hit 149 historical highs, unemployment it at historical lows, we have 3.5 GDP, 5 million new jobs, and the best economy since the 60s and you're feelings are still hurt over an election.
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All of that virtually on the same trend line it was on when Trump took office or attributable to the sugar high from the stupid, ill advised corp tax cuts that we got NOTHING for other than a sugar high. Deregulation is the only sustainable benefit from Bozo the President's economic and trade policy and THAT was done with dynamite instead of a scalpel thus ensuring we will end paying for THAT bit of nonsense as well.
 
Nickyjo said:
I would differ from you analysis by raising these points: 1- Germany, like Italy, became a unified, coherent European country late in the game, which is why both countries tried to get in on the imperialist bandwagon in Africa and even the Americas. 2- As it was explained to me by my 1950s history textbook, Britain had the most powerful navy in the world, Germany the most powerful army on the continent. Germany, as was its right, tried to develop a navy, which freaked out Britain. (Check out the book "Dreadnaught, which I believe describes some of this); 3- one of the theories of the appeal of Hitler was that the allies *did* treat Germany like a mad dog and put it down, requiring the country to take blame for the war and imposing terrible conditions in the peace.

My theory is that the greatest crime of the last century was WWI. It was an exercise in colossal stupidity that devoured much of the youth of Europe and left the world with Hitler and Stalin for dessert. The idiocy of the letters between Nicky (Russia) and Willie (Germany) is a great starting point. One of the best movies on the topic (stupidity) is Kubrick's Paths of Glory, which contains one of the most moving scenes in film at the end. Check it out.
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I would not much depend on 1950's text books as they are frankly loaded with bias. You have within YOUR description come up with your own victimization narrative for Germany's foray into WW2. The "Treaty of Versalles" you refer to was a train wreck but it was a train wreck because it relied on old principles of economic punishment for insane pursuits of warlike behavior and put no burden on the Triple Entente nations and various belligerents (which is what the US was) to control Germany's military development and expansion. As that was really all there was to be done about a cultural tradition that demanded privilege as destiny simply because a country or a peoples, in this case ,Germany was willing to wage war to achieve it. However it is worth noting that the post WW2 remedies worked because Germany was utterly and totally defeated and splayed out. The WW2 allies traded off economic policies that rebuilt Germany for strict control of Germany's ability to rebuilt its Military because nobody but nobody trusted that Germany would not yet again revert to its historical context of destiny and privilege on the European continent justified simply because it was willing to wage war for it coupled with its endless, bottomless pit of Victimization Narratives that nobody with a brain should have believed (note again the thread that runs right up to Donald Drumpf).

Trading off German economic and infrastructure rebuild for for strict control of Germany's ability to rebuilt its Military post WW2 was a good deal all around but it was a deal Germany had no choice but to accept.

Also worth noting that the Treaty of Versalles had nothing to do with Germany determining in one of its better known WW2 Victimization Narratives that the Jews were the root of Germany's problems. That particular Victimization Narrative got scarily close to wiping an entire peoples off the face of the earth!

As for Great Britain, you have stumbled now onto the the Anglo part of Anglo-Saxon, itself imperialistic in nature. However Anglo-Imperialism never quite had that flavor of warlike madness that had its genesis in Old Saxony (please note the distinction between Old Saxony and Saxony). That concept of destiny and privilege entirely based on a willingness to wage war to achieve the privilege it felt "destined" to and quite deserving of was entirely a German invention and led to Convenient Imperialism. "Where better to catalyze our destiny than within the borders of our immediate neighbors."
 
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jnug said:
I would not much depend on 1950's text books as they are frankly loaded with bias. You have within YOUR description come up with your own victimization narrative for Germany's foray into WW2. The "Treaty of Versalles" you refer to was a train wreck but it was a train wreck because it relied on old principles of economic punishment for insane pursuits of warlike behavior and put no burden on the Triple Entente nations and various belligerents (which is what the US was) to control Germany's military development and expansion. As that was really all there was to be done about a cultural tradition that demanded privilege as destiny simply because a country or a peoples, in this case ,Germany was willing to wage war to achieve it. However it is worth noting that the post WW2 remedies worked because Germany was utterly and totally defeated and splayed out. The WW2 allies traded off economic policies that rebuilt Germany for strict control of Germany's ability to rebuilt its Military because nobody but nobody trusted that Germany would not yet again revert to its historical context of destiny and privilege on the European continent justified simply because it was willing to wage war for it coupled with its endless, bottomless pit of Victimization Narratives that nobody with a brain should have believed (note again the thread that runs right up to Donald Drumpf).

Trading off German economic and infrastructure rebuild for for strict control of Germany's ability to rebuilt its Military post WW2 was a good deal all around but it was a deal Germany had no choice but to accept.

Also worth noting that the Treaty of Versalles had nothing to do with Germany determining in one of its better known WW2 Victimization Narratives that the Jews were the root of Germany's problems. That particular Victimization Narrative got scarily close to wiping an entire peoples off the face of the earth!

As for Great Britain, you have stumbled now onto the the Anglo part of Anglo-Saxon, itself imperialistic in nature. However Anglo-Imperialism never quite had that flavor of warlike madness that had its genesis in Old Saxony (please note the distinction between Old Saxony and Saxony). That concept of destiny and privilege entirely based on a willingness to wage war to achieve the privilege it felt "destined" to and quite deserving of was entirely a German invention and led to Convenient Imperialism. "Where better to catalyze our destiny than within the borders of our immediate neighbors."
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As for Great Britain's concerns over Warlike Germany developing more of a naval capability to go along with its army, I would refer you to what was then the new German battle cruiser Goeben and its companion the light cruiser Breslau and their fateful voyage to Constantinople. That single voyage and the geopolitical machinations that followed were the last black queen that fell and caused WW1 to actually be a World War.

So as for Great Britain's concerns about Germany developing more naval capability to go along with its land army based on the fated voyages of Goeben and Breslau alone I would rate any British concerns as JUSTIFIED!

There is plenty of blame to go around for WW1. There are no innocents amongst the European powers of note that I can identify. However it is not hard to make the argument that the loopiest of the loopy of the European leaders was the Kaiser mainly because he carried forward with him the cultural imperative of Germany's Imperialistic destiny perspective entirely based on the simplistic idea that Germany deserve that destiny just because it was willing to wage war for it.

History does not repeat itself. However history does rhyme. Geopolitically, the world is swirling right now, as it was before WW1. Anxiety rules everywhere again as it did before WW1. Insert Donald Drumpf in the place of the pre-WW1 Kaiser and it does not become hard to argue why DonDon is considered the most dangerous man in the world and quite capable of causing world disaster. Also worth noting for the goons that think it possible to build a wall, pull of the gang planks and pull down the blinds that by 1946 quite clearly the world power that was most defeated, most splayed out most utterly ruined was........GERMANY!
 
jnug said:
All of that virtually on the same trend line it was on when Trump took office
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Wrong. On the same trend? What the hell are you talking about. Obamas 1.8 GDP, so many people out of work they stop counting them as unemployed because they quit looking for jobs that weren't there? The stagnated economy that Obama said would need a magic wand to get rolling again and stated that 2.0 GDP is the new norm we would have to get used to? Oh, you been drinking that Obama ass Koolaid. Yeah, you keep drinking it because you are just absolutely clueless. You got way too many Liberal talking pints in your head.

Why would you even post this drivel when you can search it for yourself. Oh, don't tell me. You never did. You just repeated what you heard on the good ship lollypop. No wonder you have no clue.
 
Condor060 said:
Aaaaaand what is your point? Are you stating that Trump actually believes he is the omnipotent, all powerful God, or do you think he might have just been using an extreme just to make a point?

Are we really having this conversation? If Liberals actually think Trump and his supporters really think he is an actual God, how in the hell would they ever expect anyone on the planet to take anything they said seriously.
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The point is that after someone told him he was 'the chosen one", it's Trump's reaction, i.e., his relishing in the idea, that is troublesome. And, there no doubt he relished in it, that's what narcissists do.

But, after a litany of incredibly stupid things Trump has said over the last 3 years, why aren't you saying: "how in the hell could anyone take Trump seriously"
 
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