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Why I think trump will win in 2020!

veritas1 said:
It is these kinds of claims that keep Dems losing. People don't like whining and sour grapes. If you can't come up with enough ideas that people like, you aren't going to win. If you don't come across as being able to lead, same thing.
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These are the same whiners who wish Hillary would go away and stop whining about losing.
Think about that for a moment.


I know, huh? ;)
 
AlbqOwl said:
The reason the so-called rich--we are talking mostly small businesses here--is because 50% of Americans are paying little or no taxes as it is. You can't get a tax cut when you aren't paying taxes.

But the tax relief going to businesses, along with elimination of a lot of unnecessary and oppressive regulation has resulted in a business boom like we haven't seen since right after WWII. And that boom has resulted in good permanent jobs for those who want them, higher wages, and increasing family income for the first time in quite some time now.

THAT is how you are pro worker and not by making them victims and more and more dependent on government.
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Name one "oppressive" regulation who's explicit removal has either:

A) Created a job
B) Increased wages

Typical soundbyte nonsense. Let's address this point:

THAT is how you are pro worker and not by making them victims and more and more dependent on government.
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Doesn't answer the moral obligation to freedoms questions I posed, in addition, this is the same moronic libertarian far right rabble rousing garbage arguments we've all become accustom to.

First, you assume everyone would be "dependent on government." Government is a required counterbalance to the absurd power of corporate entites and employers at large. Look at the conditions of workplaces in the 20's, 30's, 40's, etc, until unions began to form to protect workers. These same conditions would exist - albeit in a very different form - if you lot had your way when it comes to "worker protections", which of course you will misconstrue and smear as "socialist."

Second, the form this would take is further economic restrictions on employees, less options, less benefits, as you race to the bottom allowing Calhounian, Prince Edward County VA "political economy" arguments to become the de facto manner of governance in this country. You'd see discrimination, you'd see mass layoffs, you'd see massive decreases in wages.

That, I might add, is never coupled with a manifestation of the typical capitalist supremacist lie; a fake promise that cutting taxes will both reduce cost for the consumer (never, ever born out by facts; however, of course, they will immediately increase prices for tax raises) and increase wages (which is only partially true; the vast, overwhelming majority of americans do not see a real wage increase that outraces inflation; of course, shareholders and a handful of people who own more than the bottom half of americans see massive "wage" increases; and this is also coupled with a passionate desire to protect these few individuals from any criticism with the most absurd of counter arguments, "you're jealous" - but I digress.)

In the end, government must exist to protect the individual from the individual with more economic power, as economic power has become far more pertinent in today's elections compared to those of past elections.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Reliable data coming in says that he has literally done everything I am describing however much the we-hate-Trump-all-the-time pundits and media try to distort that and make it look like something it isn't.
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No, no such data is 'coming in' nor can you cite any such data.

Fantasies are no replacement for reality.

But then, you worship a gangster.
 
Moderate Right said:
Bernie's been saying this crap for at least 40 years. What are his accomplishments? After 40 plus years the total score is ------------------------ zero.
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Agree.
The difference between Bernie and Biden is this... Bernie believes his crap.
 
DamnYankee said:
Leftists/globalists stepped in it bigly.
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If the Democratic Party expects to win back voters that sure wasn't the way to do it.
They need to accept responsibility for the last two years. Trying to blame Trump and the Russians for the depraved, bankrupt crap they've pulled, continue to pull will not win voters back to their side.
 
Of course Trump could win in 2020. That's why we have elections in this country. November of 2020 is a long way away. He may end up doing well if he starts to act like a decent adult and the Independents come out to support him. He may win if the Democrats put up some idiot against him and that person's campaign goes awry. Nobody has any clue who is going to win in 2020 yet. Almost every single General Election result dating back to 2000 has actually surprised me.
 
j brown's body said:
And that's acceptable to you?
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All you guys do is whine and cry about Trump...
How's that working for you? The economy is not going well enough for you?

:(:violin:
 
Moderate Right said:
Haymarket fell off the end of the Earth a long time ago. He lives in an alternate universe to the left of most lefties.
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I feel no empathy for people like that.
 
Obscurity said:
Name one "oppressive" regulation who's explicit removal has either:

A) Created a job
B) Increased wages

Typical soundbyte nonsense. Let's address this point:



Doesn't answer the moral obligation to freedoms questions I posed, in addition, this is the same moronic libertarian far right rabble rousing garbage arguments we've all become accustom to.

First, you assume everyone would be "dependent on government." Government is a required counterbalance to the absurd power of corporate entites and employers at large. Look at the conditions of workplaces in the 20's, 30's, 40's, etc, until unions began to form to protect workers. These same conditions would exist - albeit in a very different form - if you lot had your way when it comes to "worker protections", which of course you will misconstrue and smear as "socialist."

Second, the form this would take is further economic restrictions on employees, less options, less benefits, as you race to the bottom allowing Calhounian, Prince Edward County VA "political economy" arguments to become the de facto manner of governance in this country. You'd see discrimination, you'd see mass layoffs, you'd see massive decreases in wages.

That, I might add, is never coupled with a manifestation of the typical capitalist supremacist lie; a fake promise that cutting taxes will both reduce cost for the consumer (never, ever born out by facts; however, of course, they will immediately increase prices for tax raises) and increase wages (which is only partially true; the vast, overwhelming majority of americans do not see a real wage increase that outraces inflation; of course, shareholders and a handful of people who own more than the bottom half of americans see massive "wage" increases; and this is also coupled with a passionate desire to protect these few individuals from any criticism with the most absurd of counter arguments, "you're jealous" - but I digress.)

In the end, government must exist to protect the individual from the individual with more economic power, as economic power has become far more pertinent in today's elections compared to those of past elections.
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Just one?

Removal of the Obamacare mandate was a huge factor in small business being able to put operating capital and venture capital back into the economy.
 
trixare4kids said:
I hope they do bleat about Russia for the next SIX years. We will be here to remind them that the Democrats sought dirt on Trump from Russian government sources; via Steele and "a senior Russian Foreign Ministry figure and a former top level intelligence officer still active in the Kremlin".
:lamo

The Clinton campaign sought dirt on Trump from Russian officials. Where’s the outrage?
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The reason for no outrage is that no one in the Clinton Campaign spoke to a Russian about negative information on Trump. They purchased a report from a Britain. They did not have the help of Russian agents to get elected as did Trump.
 
Athanasius68 said:
It used to be that rejecting an election result was a sign of an attack on democracy.
Now it appears to be business as usual.
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Instead the attack on democracy will be the on going Trump re-election effort.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Just one?

Removal of the Obamacare mandate was a huge factor in small business being able to put operating capital and venture capital back into the economy.
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Not what I asked.

I asked, explicitly;

Name one regulation that specifically created a job or raised wages.
 
trixare4kids said:
I bet you are one of those people who believed the polls prior to the 2016 election too, huh?
I wouldn't be calling out the fantasies of others if you catch my drift.

Pollsters see hint of landslide as Trump numbers weaken
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I didn't believe the polls in 2016. I thought, the polls may have been faulty because some Trump supporters may have been leery to admit that they planned on voting for Trump.

Also, based on the lackluster performance of Hillary on the campaign trail. Plus, her decision to ignore States where she believed she had "it" in the bag.

Plus, I found a poll that had good numbers for him winning.

I catch your drift.

Roseann:)
 
veritas1 said:
I don't think it was the Russians helping Trump. It was ALIENS!! That's it! Trump was colluding with aliens to cast a hypnotic malaise over the voters. It's the only possible way for Hillary to have lost.:lamo
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This post deserves repeating! Hilarious! Thank You for the laughter:lamo

Roseann:)
 
Obscurity said:
Sanders has already completely changed the conversation in this nation. I'd say, even if he loses the primary, in the end, he has won.

the push to the left has begun.

Buckle up, buttercup.
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I would agree with that. He has given other Dems the ability to come out and say what they really want to do. In the past, most of these far left ideas were never taken out of the closet but I think Bernie has lit a fire under a lot of these new Dems to start pushing for a much farther agenda and for the most part to be in complete contrast to Trump.

Things like:
1. 3rd trimester abortions
2. Socialism opportunities for free medical, college, and a guaranteed living wage
3. This Green New deal that would bankrupt the world
4. Getting rid of farting cows
5. Open borders for all immigrants
6. Elimination of the Nazi run ICE
7. Statements of fixing the broken immigration problem but they won't even attempt it now, why would anyone think they will do it later.

America watched as Democrats accused Kavanaugh of train rapes and alcoholism as a political stunt to stop his confirmation
America watched as Schiff, Schumer, Pelosi, Waters, and Nadler claimed to have seen evidence of Trump being a Russian agent
And those are just some of the high points

Now we have 3.2 GDP, historical lows in unemployment, Historical highs in the stock market, 5 million new jobs, 3.9 million off of food stamps, record number of regulations retracted which is boosting an energized economy.

I don't see how Biden will have a chance since he has been in our government for over 40 years with no record to run on at all.

I think you should prepare yourself.
 
haymarket said:
Whatever gets you through the night.
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No worries.
The Clinton campaign proactively sought dirt on Trump from Russian government sources, and denying this obviously gets Trump harpies through the night.
 
trixare4kids said:
If the Democratic Party expects to win back voters that sure wasn't the way to do it.
They need to accept responsibility for the last two years. Trying to blame Trump and the Russians for the depraved, bankrupt crap they've pulled, continue to pull will not win voters back to their side.
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Now let's just keep that a secret between me and you ;) shall we?
 
CharisRose said:
I didn't believe the polls in 2016. I thought, the polls may have been faulty because some Trump supporters may have been leery to admit that they planned on voting for Trump.

Also, based on the lackluster performance of Hillary on the campaign trail. Plus, her decision to ignore States where she believed she had "it" in the bag.

Plus, I found a poll that had good numbers for him winning.

I catch your drift.

Roseann:)
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If you remember, I believed the polls.
Never again, never again will I believe the polls.
There's this well known guy I follow over on Twitter, and he kept tweeting as to why the polls are wrong. He knew Trump would win.
I would have never believed it until the night of the election.
 
independentusa said:
First, it will have nothing to do with Trump. Although I believe most GOP politico's do not like Trump, but they are afraid of his base and have learned the golden rule over the past 20 years, stay together and vote together for the GOP candidate no matter who he is!! This is especially important since the party base is not the majority and is getting smaller each year. The real reason trump will win is the total stupidity of those who call them selves Dems. While the GOP party sticks together, the Dems look at themselves as progressives or Black or moderates or young or older and not as a consolidated Dem party member. We saw it clearly in the 2016, when a Dem does not get the candidate who he sees as "one with my ideas", he will either vote for the GOP candidate in protest or just not vote. That kind of person got Trump elected in 2016 and will do so again in 2020. The Dem progressives are hinting that if they do not get the candidate of their choice they will again stay home or vote for trump. The other Dem groups are doing the same. This seems especially true of the Black voters who are saying if you so not pick one of ours, you lose our vote as it will be a sign of taking us for granted. So the Dems can not choose a candidate or candidates that meet all the criteria of all of their groups and so will lose voters and the election. The Dems learned nothing from 2016 while the GOP did.
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Though I agree that the Democrats are not united (as they should be), that is no reason to think that Trump will win in 2020 because of disunity among them. Keep in mind that the disunity of the Democrats has been around for a long time. Between November 2006 and February 2007, eight major candidates opened their campaigns: Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Chris Dodd, John Edwards, Dennis Kucinich, Barack Obama, Bill Richardson, and Tom Vilsack and Obama was not a favorite at the start and there was still a lot of disunity when he was nominated and yet he won.

In 2016 it was not the disunity that caused Hillary to lose, it was the fact she was a very flawed candidate and a woman to boot (never has the U.S. elected a woman to the Presidency). Nonetheless, she won the popular vote and Trump won the electoral vote by only 80,000 people in 3 states.

Trump was an unknown candidate at the time that had a lot of nay sayers but he still was a relatively unknown quantity as to his ability to be President. Now, most of the public knows he is incompetent as well as a person with no morals, ethics, principles or humanity and anyone the Democrats choose will not have anywhere near the baggage associated with Hillary. That suggests that the popular vote will still go Democratic and that the electoral vote will highly likely shift Democratic as well. Proof is in the pudding given that in the states that Trump won barely, his popularity versus any of the Democrats is at least 5% lower and even in states that have been proven to be Republican (like Texas), Trump is barely above water. In addition, it is highly unlikely that between now and the 2020 election that Trump will do anything successfully enough to improve his popularity. In fact, the opposite is much more likely to happen.

Last but not least, the Democrats across the board are first and foremost anti-Trump above anything else and that suggests they will not make the same mistakes as last time, at least not to the point like with Bernie/Hillary occurred.

As such, I don't see Trump winning in 2020 unless a miracle occurs and miracles are God's work and I don't see God on Trump's side.
 
Luckyone said:
Though I agree that the Democrats are not united (as they should be), that is no reason to think that Trump will win in 2020 because of disunity among them. Keep in mind that the disunity of the Democrats has been around for a long time. Between November 2006 and February 2007, eight major candidates opened their campaigns: Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Chris Dodd, John Edwards, Dennis Kucinich, Barack Obama, Bill Richardson, and Tom Vilsack and Obama was not a favorite at the start and there was still a lot of disunity when he was nominated and yet he won.

In 2016 it was not the disunity that caused Hillary to lose, it was the fact she was a very flawed candidate and a woman to boot (never has the U.S. elected a woman to the Presidency). Nonetheless, she won the popular vote and Trump won the electoral vote by only 80,000 people in 3 states.

Trump was an unknown candidate at the time that had a lot of nay sayers but he still was a relatively unknown quantity as to his ability to be President. Now, most of the public knows he is incompetent as well as a person with no morals, ethics, principles or humanity and anyone the Democrats choose will not have anywhere near the baggage associated with Hillary. That suggests that the popular vote will still go Democratic and that the electoral vote will highly likely shift Democratic as well. Proof is in the pudding given that in the states that Trump won barely, his popularity versus any of the Democrats is at least 5% lower and even in states that have been proven to be Republican (like Texas), Trump is barely above water. In addition, it is highly unlikely that between now and the 2020 election that Trump will do anything successfully enough to improve his popularity. In fact, the opposite is much more likely to happen.

Last but not least, the Democrats across the board are first and foremost anti-Trump above anything else and that suggests they will not make the same mistakes as last time, at least not to the point like with Bernie/Hillary occurred.

As such, I don't see Trump winning in 2020 unless a miracle occurs and miracles are God's work and I don't see God on Trump's side.
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One of the main reasons Clinton lost is the same reason they will lose again, 2020, the disunity of the party. There is a power struggle going on from within, the progressive, leftist radicals v. the status quo peeps like rehashed Obama admin. Biden, the latter who will probably win the nom, but not the presidency. Bernie's fan are not going to vote for Biden for the same reasons they didn't vote for Hillary. God is on the side of the country and the voters. You need to stop making up your own facts.
 
Obscurity said:
Not what I asked.

I asked, explicitly;

Name one regulation that specifically created a job or raised wages.
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Regulation generally is a job killer and suppresses wages. I can't think of ANY government regulation that created a job or raised real wages, at least in the last 20-30 years. But getting rid of unnecessary regulatory red tape--having run a small business I can assure you it is mind numbing--and removing silly and needless regulations like the black listing of contractors who have ever had a labor or other issue, etc. has opened the doors and increased productivity for countless owners/operators/entreprenours, etc.

Reed: Deregulation = More Jobs – AM 1480 WLEA News
 
trixare4kids said:


Still one of my favorites... encore, encore!
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Seen it before, it deserves favor and encores!

Two Great Laughs yours and veritas1 today!!!

Thanks for the :lamo

Roseann:)
 
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