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The 1950s are coming back

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phattonez said:
The US has more murders in a single year than were ever lynched in this country. And let's not act as if those lynchings were just totally random. You wouldn't get lynched just for walking down a street while black.
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Except yes, you absolutely could. For example......

Emmett Till - Wikipedia

But hey, way to try and excuse Jim Crow and the atrocities committed by the Klan.
 
Hari Seldon said:
Absolute bull****.

Ah, The Good Ol' Days: 5 Reasons Why We Glamorize The Past

1. Negative memories are harder to keep
In every age, ‘the good old days’ were a myth. No one ever thought they were good at the time. For every age has consisted of crisis that seemed intolerable to the people who lived through them. -- Brooks Atkinson

2. The more we share, the more we change
Remembrance of things past is not necessarily the remembrance of things as they were. -- Marcel Proust

3. We want to look better in our own minds
Nostalgia is a file that removes the rough edges from the good old days. -- Doug Larson

4. We have to keep positive, in spite of everything
Say goodbye to the oldies, but goodies, because the old days weren’t always good and tomorrow ain’t it bad as it seems. -- Billy Joel

5. Only a positive mind stays positive
It is an illusion that youth is happy, an illusion of those who have lost it; but the young know they are wretched for they are full of truthless ideal which have been installed into them, and each time they come in contact with the real, they are bruised and wounded. -- W. Somerset Maugham
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I've provided social indicators. You've provided conjecture. Sorry. All social outcomes were better in the past. Think I'm wrong? Then look up the stats and show me.
 
phattonez said:
False. Social outcomes were better for ALL groups back then. Lower crime, stronger families, higher social trust.
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I find it amusing that you seem to genuinely believe that your ideology will improve the social outcomes for ALL. When you persecute communists, or gay people, or racial minorities, you are not improving their social outcomes.
 
Irredentist said:
I find it amusing that you seem to genuinely believe that your ideology will improve the social outcomes for ALL. When you persecute communists, or gay people, or racial minorities, you are not improving their social outcomes.
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Racial minorities had better social outcomes. That's the data. You tell me why I should ignore it.

Further, have you seen homosexual suicide rates? Acceptance has done very little to stop them from killing themselves. Maybe it's actually a sinful lifestyle.
 
veritas1 said:
Rapidly growing economy, low crime rates, low divorce rates, strong families, peace abroad, sane immigration policy. Yea, those '50's were awful. Oh, I forgot, too many white people.:shock:
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“Peace aboard”?

Uh......

Korean War - Wikipedia

Vietnam kicked off in 1955, and continued to escalate throughout the rest of the decade.

Minorities were brutally abused, were unable to utilize their rights as Americans and were terrorized by groups of terrorist thugs.

So yes, the 50s were pretty ****ty for everyone except rich white dudes.

Oh wait.....those are the only people conservatives care about.

Hmm.....
 
phattonez said:
He wasn't lynched for walking down the street.
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Yes, he was lynched because he walked down the street to a store and a sociopath lied about him and got him murdered.

How is that supposed to be better in any way, shape or form?
 
Tigerace117 said:
Yes, he was lynched because he walked down the street to a store and a sociopath lied about him and got him murdered.

How is that supposed to be better in any way, shape or form?
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I didn't say it was good, I was just fixing your mischaracterization.
 
phattonez said:
Racial minorities had better social outcomes. That's the data. You tell me why I should ignore it.

Further, have you seen homosexual suicide rates? Acceptance has done very little to stop them from killing themselves. Maybe it's actually a sinful lifestyle.
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They didn't have better social outcomes. They may have been married more, gotten divorced less. Maybe to a Catholic that's better. Personally I think it's irrelevant. Marriage is nothing but an old tradition. It only has meaning because you believe it does. It doesn't make gay people become accepted by society, and it doesn't give minorities better social outcomes.
 
phattonez said:
He wasn't lynched for walking down the street.
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No, he wasn't WALKING, he was STANDING in a store ON a street.
A white woman, who later recanted almost all of her testimony, was offended by the fact that he was there, so she made up a story, one sufficient to arouse murder in two local white men.
And later on, he wasn't walking either, he was FLOATING, in the river...dead.
He was beaten to death, essentially for "being where a black man had no business being".
The two men who did the murder even admitted to it thanks to the protection against double jeopardy, having been recently acquitted by an all white jury.



Your lame excuses are sickening.
 
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phattonez said:
I didn't say it was good, I was just fixing your mischaracterization.
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Except you didn’t “fix” anything; the point remains that minorities were terrorized and brutally murdered for any reason or none at all and certainly couldn’t exercise their rights as Americans.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Except you didn’t “fix” anything; the point remains that minorities were terrorized and brutally murdered for any reason or none at all and certainly couldn’t exercise their rights as Americans.
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Fewer than 5000 killed in about 100 years, or a lower number than are killed in a single year in this country.
 
phattonez said:
Do you just go around this forum proclaiming the fact that your wife is of another race? It's pretty weird. We get it, you did a thing that gets you praise in polite society.
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Maybe he mentioned the ban on interracial marriages because it was yet another reason why life in the 50's wasn't as rosy as some believe, is weird? In a thread about how great the 50's were?

As long as you brought it up. My wife traveled across the south as a child and they had to order takeout food from the back door of restaurants. They wouldn't give them a table out back to eat on, let alone allow them to walk through the front door.

We get it, interracial marriages is still doesn't sit right for many conservatives who think that a 'polite society' is for snowflakes...
 
SoCal said:
Maybe he mentioned the ban on interracial marriages because it was yet another reason why life in the 50's wasn't as rosy as some believe, is weird? In a thread about how great the 50's were?
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And marriages were more stable. Weird.

As long as you brought it up. My wife traveled across the south as a child and they had to order takeout food from the back door of restaurants. They wouldn't give them a table out back to eat on, let alone allow them to walk through the front door.

We get it, interracial marriages is still doesn't sit right for many conservatives who think that a 'polite society' is for snowflakes...
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And social capital was higher and crime lower. By the way, I'm not exactly welcomed in black neighborhoods either. But that's okay?
 
RobertU said:
Many liberals see the rise of Trump and far-right leaders in Europe, the Philippines and other parts of the world as a repeat of the fascist rise of Hitler, Mussolini and Francisco Franco. But if history is truly repeating itself, the defeat of fascism in this century will be followed not by a progressive paradise but by a post-World War II-type era of social conservatism and bourgeoise ideals: the “1950s,” a period often mocked and derided by the left.

If the 1950s are coming back, look for woman to focus more on family and children and less on careers. The alphabet soup can of LGBQT will be pushed to the rear of the pantry. The self-segregation by ideology occurring now may be extended to self-segregation by lifestyle and race. The cosmopolitan elites will persevere, but they will lose much of their influence in the media.

While the culture will move right, a liberal amount of government intervention will be required to focus on the family. For example, generous Social Security credits might be given to stay-at-home moms.

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I've said many times, conservatives long for the 1950's where women stayed in the home, gay folks had to stay in the closet, and black people had to use separate facilities.

You just proved it.
 
phattonez said:
Fewer than 5000 killed in about 100 years, or a lower number than are killed in a single year in this country.
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Not an excuse or justification. Claiming “only” less than five thousand being brutally murdered by terrorists is still thousands of Americans being murdered by terrorists.
 
RobertU said:
Many liberals see the rise of Trump and far-right leaders in Europe, the Philippines and other parts of the world as a repeat of the fascist rise of Hitler, Mussolini and Francisco Franco. But if history is truly repeating itself, the defeat of fascism in this century will be followed not by a progressive paradise but by a post-World War II-type era of social conservatism and bourgeoise ideals: the “1950s,” a period often mocked and derided by the left.

If the 1950s are coming back, look for woman to focus more on family and children and less on careers. The alphabet soup can of LGBQT will be pushed to the rear of the pantry. The self-segregation by ideology occurring now may be extended to self-segregation by lifestyle and race. The cosmopolitan elites will persevere, but they will lose much of their influence in the media.

While the culture will move right, a liberal amount of government intervention will be required to focus on the family. For example, generous Social Security credits might be given to stay-at-home moms.

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And this is supposed to be a good thing? Women essentially enslaved in the home, bored, frustrated, not living life just so the men can feel good about themselves?

The weird thing is that often the promotion of 1950s family values aren't actually positive.

Here's the story.

So, I'm there with some 21 year old girl from Nebraska. We're talking about Brad Pitt and Jennifer Annison's impending marriage, this was the summer of 2000. I said, being a pessimist "it doesn't matter when they're getting married, it only matters when they're getting divorced"

The girl flipped out. How dare I say such things? People get married and they're happy for the rest of their lives. In hindsight what she said was even more ridiculous than when she actually said it. But her view of marriage was similar to the 1950s view. And it's the sort of view that gets a lot of people unhappy because they don't prepare for their marriage properly, and then it ends in divorce. I mean, the US has a high rate of divorce.

• US - divorce rate by state 2017 | Statistic

Divorce rates by state.

1) Nevada (hardly surprising with Vegas being there)
2) Oklahoma
3) Wyoming
4) Idaho
5) Alabama
6) Kentucky
7) Arkansas
8) Alaska
9) Florida
10) Arizona
11) Georgia
12) Tennessee
13) West Virginia
14) Utah
15) Washington

Mostly conservative states. So, why is it that liberalism is being blamed for the demise of the family unit, for the demise of stable marriages?
 
Tigerace117 said:
Not an excuse or justification. Claiming “only” less than five thousand being brutally murdered by terrorists is still thousands of Americans being murdered by terrorists.
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You make it sound like millions of blacks were constantly harassed just for being black. That's not how it happened.
 
phattonez said:
And marriages were more stable. Weird.



And social capital was higher and crime lower. By the way, I'm not exactly welcomed in black neighborhoods either. But that's okay?
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Yeah, minorities tend not to welcome fascist wannabes who support Jim Crow. Funny how that works :roll:
 
Frigidweirdo said:
And this is supposed to be a good thing? Women essentially enslaved in the home, bored, frustrated, not living life just so the men can feel good about themselves?

The weird thing is that often the promotion of 1950s family values aren't actually positive.

Here's the story.

So, I'm there with some 21 year old girl from Nebraska. We're talking about Brad Pitt and Jennifer Annison's impending marriage, this was the summer of 2000. I said, being a pessimist "it doesn't matter when they're getting married, it only matters when they're getting divorced"

The girl flipped out. How dare I say such things? People get married and they're happy for the rest of their lives. In hindsight what she said was even more ridiculous than when she actually said it. But her view of marriage was similar to the 1950s view. And it's the sort of view that gets a lot of people unhappy because they don't prepare for their marriage properly, and then it ends in divorce. I mean, the US has a high rate of divorce.

• US - divorce rate by state 2017 | Statistic

Divorce rates by state.

1) Nevada (hardly surprising with Vegas being there)
2) Oklahoma
3) Wyoming
4) Idaho
5) Alabama
6) Kentucky
7) Arkansas
8) Alaska
9) Florida
10) Arizona
11) Georgia
12) Tennessee
13) West Virginia
14) Utah
15) Washington

Mostly conservative states. So, why is it that liberalism is being blamed for the demise of the family unit, for the demise of stable marriages?
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Many of those states are also known for having large proportions of groups with high divorce rates.

And divorce rates were far lower in the 50s. By every social measure children turn out better when their parents stay married.
 
phattonez said:
You make it sound like millions of blacks were constantly harassed just for being black. That's not how it happened.
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Oh really?

Then why, in your warped worldview, did the terrorists brutally murder so many Americans?

Because they absolutely were harassed simply for being black.

That was the whole point of stuff like segregated water fountains.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Yeah, minorities tend not to welcome fascist wannabes who support Jim Crow. Funny how that works :roll:
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And why should I want to invite minorities who hate my way of life?
 
phattonez said:
Do you just go around this forum proclaiming the fact that your wife is of another race? It's pretty weird. We get it, you did a thing that gets you praise in polite society.
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Watching you melt down and get angry over things is hilarious. His point was quite valid and spot on for the topic. Its even better that it triggered you LMAO
 
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