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Why Blacks don't vote Republican

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In 1948, Truman mentioned Civil Rights in his State of the Union. That's one huge bump. Then Civil Rights became a real possibility. That's another huge bump.

Conservatives don't believe the government should tell business owners who they should hire or who they should sell to. That's why Goldwater opposed Civil Rights. And Republicans went from the Lincoln Republican party of the Union to a states rights and individual liberties party. Blacks living in Mississippi or Alabama sure as hell didn't think it was a good idea to let the states or individual shop owners discriminate.

And if you go back to the history of both parties, Republicans began as the Federalist party of Hamilton favoring strong Federal government. Democrats were in favor of a weaker Federal government and more autonomy for states. That's why the South was Democrat and the Union north was Republican.

Can you honestly say that today the Republican Party is the party of a strong federal government and Democrats are for states' rights?

Here is what I was going bye.

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and then Pew Research.

Trends in Party Identification, 1939-2014 | Pew Research Center

Here lately, a states right party has depended on the issue. Sanctuary cities and state against federal law are pushed by Democrats. But I suppose it has always been that way. Democrats were more or less the states right party from Jackson through Reagan. Although one could debate earlier on Reagan.

Jackson broke away from the Jeffersonian Republicans and formed his own party peeved at the 1824 J.Q. Adams. Jackson formed the first modern day political party, the Democrats. Everyone else struggled to catch up.
 
ONCE AGAIN for possible comprehension my statement was that Republicans IN THE SENATE AND IN THE HOUSE voted or the Equal Rights Act and the Voting Rights act in higher percentages than their Democratic colleagues. Read that sentence a few times until you grasp what I'm saying.

If Civil Rights were so important to Republicans why did they nominate Barry Goldwater who was against it and have him run against LBJ who was for it? Why would they nominate a man who did not share their beliefs?

Blacks saw this and knew that it was the Democrats like Harry Truman and JFK who were on their side.

JFK 1963 addressing the nation promoting Civil Rights



Harry Truman 1947 addressing the nation promoting Civil Rights



Now I will totally destroy your argument. You claim more Republicans supported the Civil Rights Act. That's correct. But if you look at the vote by Union vs Confederate states you find that 90% of both Republicans and Democrats supported Civil Rights. It was only the South that was against it.

NONE of the Southern Republicans supported the Bill. Not one. Yet, 9 Southern Democrats did.

In this case, it becomes clear that Democrats in the north and the south were more likely to vote for the bill than Republicans in the north and south respectively. This difference in both houses is statistically significant with over 95% confidence. It just so happened southerners made up a larger percentage of the Democratic than Republican caucus, which created the initial impression than Republicans were more in favor of the act.

Were Republicans really the party of civil rights in the 1960s? | Harry J Enten | Opinion | The Guardian

I hope this puts this issue to rest once and for all.
 
If Civil Rights were so important to Republicans why did they nominate Barry Goldwater who was against it and have him run against LBJ who was for it? Why would they nominate a man who did not share their beliefs?
I've covered this as often as I intend to.
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Blacks saw this and knew that it was the Democrats like Harry Truman and JFK who were on their side.

JFK 1963 addressing the nation promoting Civil Rights



Harry Truman 1947 addressing the nation promoting Civil Rights

Again, not the point.
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Now I will totally destroy your argument. You claim more Republicans supported the Civil Rights Act. That's correct. But if you look at the vote by Union vs Confederate states you find that 90% of both Republicans and Democrats supported Civil Rights. It was only the South that was against it.

NONE of the Southern Republicans supported the Bill. Not one. Yet, 9 Southern Democrats did.
Bills are voted on by the entire membership of each house. Notice I have never said "Southern Democrat" or "Northern Republicans"? So you haven't destroyed anything.
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You do realize this link in an OPINION, right? An opinion about something I NEVER SAID and using a meaningless breakdown by region. . You've been playing a typical strawman game all night.
 
Bills are voted on by the entire membership of each house. Notice I have never said "Southern Democrat" or "Northern Republicans"? So you haven't destroyed anything.

Your claim was that more Republicans supported the Civil Rights Act. But that's not true in the Confederate states. Not one. None. No Republican in a Confederate state supported the Civil Rights Act.

There was only 1 Republican Senattor and 11 Republican Congressman. None of them voted for the Civil Rights Act.

At least 9 Democrats in Confederate states supported it.

In the North, both parties equally supported the Civil Rights Act.

So, your claim is factually true but misleading. The division was not Republican vs Democrat. It was North vs South.

So, what mattered if you were Black was action at the federal level, not the state level. And it was Democrats like Truman, JFK and LBJ who vocally championed Civil Rights at the national level.

And that's why you see the massive shift in party identification around Truman and JFK

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Democrat filibuster of the Civil Rights Act(s) led by: AL GORE, SR., ROBERT BYRD, JOHN CONOLLY etc.
Please produce the dates that ANY OF THESE left the DNC.


DEMOCRAT CIVIL RIGHTS ACT(s) FILIBUSTER BROKEN by SENATE REPUBL, led by Sen. Everett Dirksen.


OOOPS!!!

That was your grandfather’s Republican Party. Times change. Republicans changed their tune. Black voters changed parties.
 
Actually there are seditious so-called blacks or African Americans, whatever who considers themselves republicans and who supports this Russian puppet, anti government conspiring GOPer crony and I believe pre or is at the stages of Alzheimer disease 45 who sold his soul to the devil. Yet the majority of Americans of color or whatever because people of color in America include mixed race, did not fall for this 45 campaign con job at voting with the majority of over 3 million against Trump and GOP and electoral college lawlessness that are in violation of U.S. Constitutional law.
 
I have no idea what Goldwater did or didn't do; nor do I care. I do know higher percentage of Republican Senators and Congressmen voted for those acts then did the Dems.

You don’t know that either, because that’s incorrect information. So you don’t know and you’re making up the rest. So if you don’t know nor care about 1960s politics, why are you so passionately posting your opinions on the issue here?
 
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And we have a right to look at how they voted as a group and look at their socio-economic standing - you support that - don't you?

You could, of course, just attribute the difficulties facing the black community: high black-on-black murder rates, children born out of wedlock, high incarceration rates, poor school performances and drop out rates, etc. to just bad luck or racism. Which you and your cohort seem to want.

I think African Americans show much political wisdom in their voting choices. I sure wish other groups would.
 
And look at the advancements voting democrat has gotten them in cities across the country over the last 50 years.... LMMFAO

I have no idea what that is suppose to mean.
 
Then explain why the economy has't done much to help black americans until Trump got into office. Now the lowest level of black unemployment in history, only since trumps got the economy going. Dems will say it was for some other reason, so if a democrat gets elected and the economy tanks again, who will they blame.

The legacy of slavery and racism is strong.
 
this is a fact... many whites have ridden on that process of white skin accessibility, and white as non suspect, and white as thinking in terms of "better than"... until they failed to learn about politics... until they vote for "whom ever is the rebel rouser, with a target aimed at denying something to minorities and women. In turn the same they they structure to damage minorities and women, has damaged poor whites as well. But to the establishment of white nationalist ideals, the poor whites have always been seen as acceptable collateral damage by the middle and upper economic and wealthy whites, in their focused aim to deny or damage blacks and women in general, in hope to blocking blacks and women from becoming economically independent to earn and sustain themselves as middle class citizens.


Now, that the pool of "poor whites" is LARGER than ever... now the poor whites are wakened to the fact they have been pushed back to the same levels the intent was by the middle class and upper economic and wealthy whites. The difference between the poor whites and minorities, IS the poor whites have BEEN TRAINED to blame blacks and women, because the middle and upper economic and wealthy whites have done everything they can to ensure the poor whites DON'T become awakened enough to blame the middle and upper economic and wealthy whites.

Its easy to lead the poor whites with "bully talk" and "belligerent banter", because that is the tool they were taught to use in the streets to promote and sustain segregation... unaware that their backing of segregation, damaged them as much as they aimed to damage blacks and women, because it was a tool, to keep wages low, and "cut off" and "block the pathway to middle class economic standards'....

The middle class and upper economic and wealthy whites, TAUGHT the poor whites to fight against themselves and not even know they were doing it, when they taught them to fight against "Unions"!!! Since then, Pensions have been stripped away, low cost job sponsored medical coverage, and wage stagnation.... and these same poor whites.. were taught to yell, and scream attack mentality if anyone even mention Union.

They were taught to complain about Union Dues, because they were too uneducated and too ingrained to not want blacks and women to have class and craft progressive pay, and they resulted to void it out, so not they don't have it either. Still, they did not awaken. All they cared about was, some fiction that they were better than, and hung up on their skin tone, and its got them as poor as the wealthy have always intended to keep them...

They make great tools to the wealthy, to keep wages low and promote the attacks against blacks and women. All the while they do the exact same damage to themselves.

No... they don't care about anything beyond the delusion that the Republican Party today is considered the Party of White People... and they are too ignorantly unaware to know... its for the middle class and upper economic and wealthy whites, as a party that can use the poor whites, to ensure that the economic gap stays in place....

They have been trained to rally around "any" republican who has an "attack something mentality".. and they are too unaware, to know they are themselves among those the attack is aimed and designed to attack.
But you can't awaken the foolish, when they are hung up on their skin and the delusion of thinking the wealthy will give them something because of their skin. As a result... they too loose more anytime any Republican is any office; be it city, state or national office.

They run like heck and want to hide from comments that tell them the real truth, because it will shatter their concept of life... rather than to realize they are living a self defeat cycles, they were groomed and trained to live, as if they are still in a circle of Serfdom.... and they don't even know it!!!!!!

Convincing poor whites to vote for the rich corporations party - the Republicans - is one of the great evils of our times.
 
And the Democrats have rewarded them handsomely with good jobs and beautiful inner cities.

Its sad how the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow and racism is persistent. The fight continues.
 
Convincing poor whites to vote for the rich corporations party - the Republicans - is one of the great evils of our times.

Broken Promises and Open Hostility: Organizing Poor Whites in America
By Rev. Sarah Monroe

And we in poor white communities rarely have the language to articulate our own pain and our own suffering. We have “don’t tread on me” slogans and we have the “rebel” confederate flag and we have pent up rage and anger, but we don’t generally have a strong analysis of why we are poor or why we are victims of things like police violence. For so long, we have bought the lie of white supremacy, for so long we have believed that if we just worked hard enough, we would make it. We have, in the words of Will Campbell (one of the few veterans of the civil rights movement who did go back and organize among his own people — poor white Southerners) the “freedom to flounder, to drift, to wander westward in a frustrating search of what had been promised but never delivered — a secure life in a land of plenty.”
The black community and other communities of color know exactly what they are up against. They have centuries of, not just suffering, but of organizing, of analysis, of resistance. Slavery and genocide, in which even poor whites were complicit, left no question in anyone’s mind as to what non-white people were up against. Those of us who fled Europe often came from resistance movements there, but we failed to create a coherent resistance in the promised New World for precisely that reason: because we were made promises and we believed them. We did the dirty work for empire and expected a reward we rarely received.

Instead, we are left puzzled in a world that is increasingly poor, increasingly bereft of basic resources, increasingly victimized by state violence. While the white middle class still precariously live the dream, even their numbers are shrinking and the promises of American capitalism and greed are exposed as a lie.

Poor whites are left isolated, told over and over that their suffering or poverty or death is their own fault. Pundits — including their better-off neighbors — say what they have always said in America about poor people: they should just die. Homeless camps are spilling over every riverbank, the prisons are so full they can’t fill the demand of the justice system, addiction stalks every poor community. An aging white woman told me recently, as we stood at the deathbed of her son; “No one cares if people are dying, unless they are middle class white people.”

The root of ignoring poor white people comes from the same source. White supremacy — the air we breathe as white people — teaches that white people are superior, and is pervasive even in liberal ideology. Which means that poor whites are unforgivable. Whites who don’t “make it” fundamentally challenge the ideology that built this country.
I wonder if the vast number of poor people in the United States might find a way to unite, as poor people across race share experiences of prison and poverty and violence and terror. I wonder if poor white communities can learn how to organize. It is true we have bought the lie of white supremacy — even in our poverty, clinging to a hope that our lives really do matter in a system that beats us down while continuing to promise us uplift if only we are smart enough, work hard enough, take enough personal responsibility. It is important to note: white supremacy is not simply an ideology, it is a material, economic policy that decides who has access to the means of life, and poor white people rarely make the cut.

In the case of Noble’s death, Black Lives Matter activists showed up in protest at the Fresno Police Department, not only for people of color shot in the region and country, but for the poor white kid as well.


If poor whites and poor blacks communicate and work together... TOGETHER, "WE" White and Black... can change America and make it work for everyone !!!!
There is a lot each ethnic group can learn from and with each other... 'Republican Ideology and its system is no friend to Poor Whites.
 
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Convincing poor whites to vote for the rich corporations party - the Republicans - is one of the great evils of our times.

Perhaps. But ya gotta tip your hat to them- it is also one of the greatest acts of genius in political manipulation ever- right up there with the idea of the divine right of kings to rule.
 
You can make that claim but the dramatic rise only occurred since Trump has been in office. It's a fact unemployment down to historic lows in all categories. Not recognizing that fact is purely politics unwilling to give credit. His rollback of regulatory restrictions placed on business by OBama opened up the marketplace and brought jobs back to the US from foriegn companies along with tremendous expansion. He also brought dozens of CEO'S into the Whitehouse and pressured them to expand.

Unemployment followed a trend that started long before Trump took office. You whine about credit but give Obama none. :lamo
 
Perhaps. But ya gotta tip your hat to them- it is also one of the greatest acts of genius in political manipulation ever- right up there with the idea of the divine right of kings to rule.

You are right about that. And telling you that you have equal rights bet keeping you in slavery at the same time. Now that was classic.
 
BOOM!!!! and another dodge!!! and now you are totally backpedalling this is awesome!!! LMAO

yes it does and it shows that the trend was already moving that way LMAO
I read the article and many like it NOTHING in it supports your false claims it proves them wrong

ill ask you AGAIN, Factually prove the "Trump" did something that is factually and solely responsible for black unemployment levels . . .we are waiting!
or you can post with honesty and integrity and simply admit your claim is not true ;) (we know that wont happen)

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You are just ignoring the progress under President Trump and that's your option. However the economy clearly jumped after Trump took office.
 
Unemployment followed a trend that started long before Trump took office. You whine about credit but give Obama none. :lamo

If I fail to give OBama any credit, it's either undeserved, minimal at best since we had the slowest growth under Obama of any recession recovery, or I'm just doing what democrats keep doing to Trump.
 
If I fail to give OBama any credit, it's either undeserved, minimal at best since we had the slowest growth under Obama of any recession recovery, or I'm just doing what Democrats keep doing to Trump.

Let me ask you a very rational question.

1. The economy was a disaster when Obama took office.

2. We had the longest streak of job growth in history under Obama.

3. Romney predicted 6% unemployment if he was elected. Obama reached 4.7% when he left office.


You claim the recovery was not fast enough. But the Recession was very severe. It's second only to the Great Depression. It took us 10 years to get over the Great Depression.

So, what magic economic predictor machine do you have that enables you to know how quickly we should recover from a recession? Maybe you can share it with the rest of the world so all struggling economies in the world can use it.

The reality is there is no such machine. It's not surprising that a severe fiscal recession might take time to recover.

Now look at unemployment under Obama vs Reagan's term to get a better perspective.

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You are just ignoring the progress under President Trump and that's your option. However the economy clearly jumped after Trump took office.

aaaaand another dodge!!!! LMAO :lamo

ll ask you AGAIN, Factually prove the "Trump" did something that is factually and solely responsible for black unemployment levels . . .we are waiting!
or you can post with honesty and integrity and simply admit your claim is not true (we know that wont happen)
 
It still amazes me with how freely some people claim that blacks are some idiotic and blind group that can't think for themselves with no long term thinking skills and are simply voting to try to get themselves free stuff.

And the question isn't "how are black people doing now after having voted democrat by in large for a long time." The actual question is "how are black people doing now after having voted democrat by in large for a long time vs. how'd they be if they had voted for republicans as a block for this period of time." The only conclusion I can reach is "even worse off than they currently are".

Goldwater was the first republican to ever have swept the south in a presidential election and amazingly lost damn near the rest of the country, and he did it because he voted against the civil rights act and he ran on that fact. He tied his vote against the civil rights act of 1964 with the idea of "states rights". The intended message was "the federal government shouldn't be coming in and telling the states that they have to treat black people fairly". The message is much more muddied and cloudy today, but the idea stays the same. The supreme court recently eradicated the voting rights act on a 5-4 decision, all conservatives voted to get rid of the landmark bill and with incredibly dubious reasonings. Along with this there are literally countless attempts that could be pointed to that are nothing but republican efforts to reduce the black vote and to purposefully disrupt black communities, such as the well established usage of the war on drugs by Nixon to target black communities on purpose.

The right-wing attempt to revise history on this subject is nutty, but their masters have learned that if you keep repeating the same nonsense long enough many come to regard the nonsense to be fact.

Sowell, Coulter, Prager and D'Sousa are jokes when they opine on the Southern Strategy. The latter 3 are probably always jokes.
 
Actually there are seditious so-called blacks or African Americans, whatever who considers themselves republicans and who supports this Russian puppet, anti government conspiring GOPer crony and I believe pre or is at the stages of Alzheimer disease 45 who sold his soul to the devil. Yet the majority of Americans of color or whatever because people of color in America include mixed race, did not fall for this 45 campaign con job at voting with the majority of over 3 million against Trump and GOP and electoral college lawlessness that are in violation of U.S. Constitutional law.

Lets not erase their identity and humanity.
 
Convincing poor whites to vote for the rich corporations party - the Republicans - is one of the great evils of our times.

I find the history behind the use of racism by the ruling elite to be interesting. If i recall correctly, if the Pullman workers organized with their black counterparts, the strike might have been successful.
 
I think African Americans show much political wisdom in their voting choices. I sure wish other groups would.
Which is why they've done so well over the years. :roll:
 
And we have a right to look at how they voted as a group and look at their socio-economic standing - you support that - don't you?

You could, of course, just attribute the difficulties facing the black community: high black-on-black murder rates, children born out of wedlock, high incarceration rates, poor school performances and drop out rates, etc. to just bad luck or racism. Which you and your cohort seem to want.

So how did only democrats /democratic policies factually cause all that?
are you claiming racism plays no role worth discussing and is a none factor?

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CRICKETS!!
I love it

i guess when you cant support your claim and all you can do is basically call black people stupid its best not to post anymore and make it worse for your failed claims
 
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