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CNN: Regretful Trump Voters

I did not vote for Trump, but my husband did, and I understood how he could.

Now when he hears Trump's bravado he laughs at him. But at the time of his vote, he thought he was electing a competent businessman.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Enjoy joining the OP in the crowd intending to make matters worse when looking for voters.
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Enjoy the Trump presidency, you truly deserve it.
 
Amelia said:
I did not vote for Trump, but my husband did, and I understood how he could.

Now when he hears Trump's bravado he laughs at him. But at the time of his vote, he thought he was electing a competent businessman.
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That's what's called getting duped.

Now that he sees the damage his choice made, he can either take responsibility, or have no right to complain about how bad Trump is.
 
OrphanSlug said:
What matters more than what they thought then is what they are thinking now, and they have the right to look elsewhere when disappointed with their choice.

The difference between you and I is I see opportunity for them to see things a different way, all you see is a chance to be an arrogant fool about what Independents mean to *every* election for President. I see a chance for inclusion to change, you see a chance to feed your ego.
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I'm an arrogant fool? Why? Is it because I hold people responsible for the choices they make?

Again, these people obviously didn't pay much attention during the campaign, or they are one of those "stick it to the establishment!" types.
 
Phys251 said:
I listened to the video.

If I could, I would shake the hands of all five of them. They get it. They're detoxing or detoxed. They understand tRump's wanna-be dictatorship. Cozying up to Putin. Embarrassment for this nation.

The one suggestion I would offer them is to participate in the 2020 Democratic primary. It's going to be an open field for one person who could become our next President, and I want moderate voices such as those to participate in the process just as much as I want progressives to. A vote is a vote is a vote.

I'm not sure how carefully those five were selected, but their opinions are not to be taken lightly by either
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I do think we are in a dangerous time given how partisan the Supreme Court is, and how right wing the GOP is. It is the party of Trump, and Fox News is his cheerleader and equivalent of state media. We are set up to enter a serious constitutional crisis if Trump does a Saturday Night Massacre or tries to suspend elections, and they all sit there and do nothing other than take his side. I do worry about that. I hope I am wrong, but I do know GWB led us into an unnecessary war with the help of non stop propaganda and media cheerleading. If we got into a stupid war, who is to say the same party and news media can advert a constitutional crisis if the president starts blasting the media full of propaganda in support of drastic overreach or something unconstitutional?
 
MovingPictures said:
Enjoy the Trump presidency, you truly deserve it.
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I did not vote for Trump, now you are making matters worse going after people who do not support him. Congrats.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Wait, you need Independents yet they should “shut your mouths and help clean-up the mess you made.”

That is one way to win friends and influence people... did you hear yourself when ranting about the one group you need when dealing with another group you will never appeal to?

No wonder people identify as Independent far more than associating themselves with Democrats or Republicans.

BTW, you just lost every future argument on liberalism being about inclusion.
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Having watched the video and listened to what the 6 independent voters, I am surprised how many people believed that he would fix the “rigged” political system, that he would somehow unite the country, or that he was non-political.
 
Mr Person said:
It absolutely is what he did. OP:



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Criticizing their motives ("send some misplaced message"), criticized the candidate (middle bit), and criticized their foresight (beginning).



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Colorful metaphor. Perhaps he could have said "this is like listening to someone who set a shotgun trap in their barn complain that a ten year old that broke in was blasted to death" and it'd have been a little more accurate, but whatever.

What's wrong with the sentiment? If someone did vote for Trump to stick it to the libs or give a big **** you to government in general, they have no place complaining that Trump is being Trump.



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Expressing the perfectly reasonable sentiment that if someone did vote for Trump to give liberals the finger (or, ok, give government the finger), they really have no standing to stamp their feet and complain about Trump. Instead they should be doing everything they can to remedy their error in judgment.



What's so offensive about all that?
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Yes, it's those "We gonna stick it to the establishment!" people that truly are a ship of fools. They thought they were sending a message, when all they really did was impulse vote a lunatic into office.

They wanted Trump to shake-up the establishment and they got it.
 
OrphanSlug said:
It is neither honesty or truth, it is arrogant ranting doing nothing to advance your position.

I did not vote for Trump, but we have the numbers to show plenty of Independents did. And for those that are unhappy with the results there is an alternative they should be encouraged to support. We should be reaching out, appealing for change.

But hell no, that is too honest for you... so you appeal to hate filled rhetoric.

Enjoy being worthless to the real democratic process, and finding yourself to be the very poster boy for why discourse in this nation is dead.
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A lot of independents are actually disenfranchised, former Republicans, so I am not sure if these arguments really mean much. A disenfranchised republican was more likely to give anybody on the GOP ticket a chance over Hillary.
 
MovingPictures said:
I'm an arrogant fool? Why? Is it because I hold people responsible for the choices they make?

Again, these people obviously didn't pay much attention during the campaign, or they are one of those "stick it to the establishment!" types.
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Yes, you are doing nothing but showcasing the very attitude that might have driven a number of them away from the candidate / ideology you agree with.
 
Amelia said:
I didn't have any idea how incompetent he was.

I was surprised by how bad he turned out to be.


I knew he was a horrible person, but a horrible person can still have areas of competency, and I was surprised by what a total buffoon he turned out to be in all aspects, not just as a campaign facade. (In addition to such surprisingly rotten things as recognizing that GOP legislation was "mean" but threatening members of Congress if they refused to pass it. I didn't think anyone could be THAT terrible.)
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In many ways, he is worse than I imagined too. I never really thought that so many people around him would end up facing serious charges. I never thought he would be under investigation like he is, or that he would buddy up to Putin and Kim Jung Un, or wave his hand at these Saudi allegations of murder.

I did always see him as an unstable bully. I thought he would embarrass the United States, especially on Twitter, and probably ruin our relationship with NATO allies.
 
OrphanSlug said:
I did not vote for Trump, now you are making matters worse going after people who do not support him. Congrats.
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I didn't say you voted for him, but nice try at putting words in my mouth.

What you are is an enabler of uninformed, impulsive voters, whom make reckless choices and complain about them.

Look, I get that this is the internet, so things come across as one dimensional and thus very harsh, but that's not my objective. I'd never be rude to these people in person, but I'd be sure to let them know that they are partly responsible for the mess they're complaining about.
 
MovingPictures said:
That's what's called getting duped.

Now that he sees the damage his choice made, he can either take responsibility, or have no right to complain about how bad Trump is.
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Yes, my husband was duped. I was fooled too -- I too thought Trump would bring some business savvy to the White House. But it was understandable for us not to realize how much of a hot mess he was. For one thing -- how could we ever have imagined that ANYONE could be as much of a hot mess as Trump is. We're normal, functioning adults. It's hard to relate to the kind of deficits Trump has. For another thing, Trump invested a lot of PR resources into developing the competent businessman persona. He had the weight of the NBC network behind the effort. How could we have known how bad Trump was on the film which was left on the cutting room floor by the Apprentice editors? We couldn't know.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Having watched the video and listened to what the 6 independent voters, I am surprised how many people believed that he would fix the “rigged” political system, that he would somehow unite the country, or that he was non-political.
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I agree, it is upsetting to see voters assume so much of Trump only to end up very disappointed.

My hope is that the message from opposition convinces them to lean more liberal going forward, perhaps putting some of that misguided faith in the things we know we need to do for this nation that Trump (and his hard core supporters) do not care about.

My concern is people like the OP far more interested emotional gratification than impacting real change.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Yes, you are doing nothing but showcasing the very attitude that might have driven a number of them away from the candidate / ideology you agree with.
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Well, they sure showed me by voting for Trump.

If Trump isn't enough to overcome my blunt comments, then they were going to vote Republican anyways.
 
AlphaOmega said:
You believe Soros isnt paying people to protest?! Is that your stance?
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Well we know Trump was paying people to show up at his appearances at the beginning of the campaign. That's a fact.
 
MovingPictures said:
I didn't say you voted for him, but nice try at putting words in my mouth.

What you are is an enabler of uninformed, impulsive voters, whom make reckless choices and complain about them.

Look, I get that this is the internet, so things come across as one dimensional and thus very harsh, but that's not my objective. I'd never be rude to these people in person, but I'd be sure to let them know that they are partly responsible for the mess they're complaining about.
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And you are an enabler of hatred, the purposeful application of division oriented politics. Said another way, you are an advocate for the worst of discourse.

I do not deserve Trump, nor am I enabling the behavior of those that voted for him.

My hope is to appeal to them a very different way than what you have decided to go with.
 
Amelia said:
He had human moments on the campaign trail. He was the Republican who wouldn't threaten Medicare, the one who didn't want people dying in the streets, the one supported even better health coverage than Obamacare gave.

I didn't have a clue about the extent of his detachment from reality, or how he would be driven by petty and paranoid voices in his head.
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I saw him is a demagogue on the campaign trail, and too politically ignorant on how to protect Medicare or when to recognize he was working with the establishment on efforts that would indirectly damage it. I always thought Trump would be seen as a useful idiot and puppet for the GOP establishment and elites.

I also always thought much of his populist rhetoric was the result of Bannon's campaign strategy, not his own thinking.

His supporters, I saw them as desperate to believe to the dog and pony show.
 
Amelia said:
Yes, my husband was duped. I was fooled too -- I too thought Trump would bring some business savvy to the White House. But it was understandable for us not to realize how much of a hot mess he was. For one thing -- how could we ever have imagined that ANYONE could be as much of a hot mess as Trump is. We're normal, functioning adults. It's hard to relate to the kind of deficits Trump has. For another thing, Trump invested a lot of PR resources into developing the competent businessman persona. He had the weight of the NBC network behind the effort. How could we have known how bad Trump was on the film which was left on the cutting room floor by the Apprentice editors? We couldn't know.
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There's was a way to tell: just listen to him.

Seriously, even on the campaign he demonstrated himself to be a basket case, constantly having meltdowns and abusing anyone and everyone that crossed him. It was like he hid that side of himself.

And as for his business background, we all know he's bankrupted himself over and over again.
 
joko104 said:
Ah, well if CNN says it then it must be true. :lamo

If anyone but the most hardcore Democrats watched CNN this actually might change one vote. Maybe.
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Actually the hardcore dems are over at MSNBC but you know that.
 
OrphanSlug said:
And you are an enabler of hatred, the purposeful application of division oriented politics. Said another way, you are an advocate for the worst of discourse.

I do not deserve Trump, nor am I enabling the behavior of those that voted for him.

My hope is to appeal to them a very different way than what you have decided to go with.
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Don't be such a drama queen, I'm not being "hateful" in any regard to these people.

I'm simply stating they are responsible for the mess they made, and they are going to have learn that, or else they'll make the same mistake down the road. If you think of that as "hatred" then you've got some other problems outside of politics.
 
Amelia said:
I did not vote for Trump, but my husband did, and I understood how he could.

Now when he hears Trump's bravado he laughs at him. But at the time of his vote, he thought he was electing a competent businessman.
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That's very interesting that you didn't agree politically. I definitely know people who thought he was a competent business person too, and argued that that was why they were voting for him. I never personally believed that he was for a few reasons. 1. I am not from NYC, but I have friends who are, and they have been telling me for years about his phony self-promotion scams. For years, around NYC, he has been known to lie about his wealth, assets, and success. People in NYC media were very familiar with his self promoting tactics and dishonesty. 2. I have always seen Trump as dishonest and a liar.

I have also watched The Apprentice, and I never thought he had much integrity.
 
MovingPictures said:
**** em'.

I don't care if it hurts their widdle fee fees. They are grow ass adults that have been treating our democracy like a beauty contest, and complaining about the results.
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It's not the people who voted for Trump that are the problem. Trump got fewer votes than Hillary. He didn't do better than Romney. Hillary was unpopular and a lot of liberals stayed home. And this is especially true of African Americans.

Black voter turnout fell in 2016, even as a record number of Americans cast ballots

The black voter turnout rate declined for the first time in 20 years in a presidential election, falling to 59.6% in 2016 after reaching a record-high 66.6% in 2012. The 7-percentage-point decline from the previous presidential election is the largest on record for blacks. (It’s also the largest percentage-point decline among any racial or ethnic group since white voter turnout dropped from 70.2% in 1992 to 60.7% in 1996.) The number of black voters also declined, falling by about 765,000 to 16.4 million in 2016, representing a sharp reversal from 2012. With Barack Obama on the ballot that year, the black voter turnout rate surpassed that of whites for the first time. Among whites, the 65.3% turnout rate in 2016 represented a slight increase from 64.1% in 2012.
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If you look at where Hillary lost in the rust belt, she lost by razor thin margins. Blacks in Detroit and Milwaukee didn't show up for her.

That's why I think Corey Booker is the best hope to defeat Trump. He's a young and he's a hero. He's a stark contrast to Trump.
 
OrphanSlug said:
And you are an enabler of hatred, the purposeful application of division oriented politics. Said another way, you are an advocate for the worst of discourse.

I do not deserve Trump, nor am I enabling the behavior of those that voted for him.

My hope is to appeal to them a very different way than what you have decided to go with.
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I would appeal to these voters by arguing that trump’s worst tendencies are being enabled by willing collaborators in congress, and that the best way to stop trump’s destructive tendencies is to elect a democratic majority in congress. As a Democrat I am willing to forgive those who genuinely believed trump’s false promises.
 
MovingPictures said:
Don't be such a drama queen, I'm not being "hateful" in any regard to these people.

I'm simply stating they are responsible for the mess they made, and they are going to have learn that, or else they'll make the same mistake down the road. If you think of that as "hatred" then you've got some other problems outside of politics.
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Tone change, at least we are getting somewhere.
 
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