Sen. Hirono: Men Need To "Shut Up," Kavanaugh Accuser Needs To Be Believed And I Believe Her

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Renae said:

Yes she is, I'm not triggered, and you don't' care about Ford the victim, you see her as a useful idiot to push an agenda you support.

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No, she's simply not, no matter how much you wish she were. To claim that she is is simply hyperbolic, emotion-driving whining and pearl-clutching.

Sorry that you trigger so easily.

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Cardinal said:

And hopelessly so. That's why it's reasonable to let a professional law enforcement agency address this.

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yep the MD police but the issue there is. also she would have to go and file a formal charge.
she doesn't know the date, the house, the time, or anything else.

next the only other witness they could investigate has stated that nothing happened.
the FBI is not going to investigate as they have already stated and has been posted 100 times.

TO them they have already investigated him and found nothing. to them this case is closed.

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ludin said:

yep the MD police but the issue there is. also she would have to go and file a formal charge.
she doesn't know the date, the house, the time, or anything else.

next the only other witness they could investigate has stated that nothing happened.
the FBI is not going to investigate as they have already stated and has been posted 100 times.

TO them they have already investigated him and found nothing. to them this case is closed.

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Nearly everything you have posted on this topic has been distorted or made up entirely. There’s no point in responding to your posts anymore. It’s like staring into the face of madness.

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ludin said:

you have to realize that this is political.

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I don't necessarily buy that; at least not from all parties. I don't doubt for a minute there are individuals, on both sides, caring FAR more about the political impacts and uses of this than the human aspects of it. However, I don't doubt that this woman truly does believe what she's been feeling/saying and, if Kavanaugh didn't do exactly as alleged, I'm sure he is aghast at the accusation and the damage it'll do to his reputation. I'm sure while both MAY have political feelings regarding this, that for both of them there absolutely is a very personal angle to this whole thing.

However, I think for many of the members of congress, and even people talking about this, on both sides this likely is more of a political thing. While both will give some lip service to the personal aspects, I think deep down the care for many is the actual political aspects of this because frankly that's the aspect that is more personal TO THEM.

But I don't really necessarily think the entirety of this issue is wholly and completely political. Is it possible? Yes. But based on what I've seen and heard thus far, I have a hard time believing it is JUST that, at least relating to all parties involved.

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Cardinal said:

Nearly everything you have posted on this topic has been distorted or made up entirely. There’s no point in responding to your posts anymore. It’s like staring into the face of madness.

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Okay, what day did this happen?
Where did it happen?

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Cardinal said:

And hopelessly so. That's why it's reasonable to let a professional law enforcement agency address this.

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Talking about this from a "law enforcement" stand point, the FBI has no jurisdiction to "address this" and the Maryland police have no compelling interest to address it from a Law Enforcement aspect because it's outside the statue of limitations. I understand the desire for a "law enforcement agency" to address this, but at this point it's not a "law enforcement" issue.

From a background investigation aspect, the FBI had already engaged in such an investigation of the candidate as is the norm, and at this point in time doesn't appear to believe anything beyond what has already been conducted is needed to look into this matter given their statements thus far.

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Cardinal said:

Nearly everything you have posted on this topic has been distorted or made up entirely. There’s no point in responding to your posts anymore. It’s like staring into the face of madness.

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actually it isn't.

so lets lay it out there so that you can't play Mr. denial anymore.

https://www.npr.org/2018/09/18/6490...estigate-kavanaugh-allegations-it-likely-wont

In a statement, a Justice Department spokeswoman said the FBI — which has added a letter from Christine Blasey Ford to Kavanaugh's already completed background report file — had already done all it was going to do, because "the allegation does not involve any potential federal crime."

"The FBI does not make any judgment about the credibility or significance of any allegation," the statement reads. "The purpose of a background investigation is to determine whether the nominee could pose a risk to the national security of the United States. The allegation does not involve any potential federal crime. The FBI's role in such matters is to provide information for the use of the decision makers."

there you go FBI is done they are not investigating it.

her story has too many holes in it, and she can't remember.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...blasey-ford-sexual-assault-column/1346536002/

Ford can’t remember the year the incident happened, she can’t remember how she got to the house party, or how she got home. She told no one about it at the time and the issue came to the forefront during a couples therapy session six years ago. Her therapist’s notes never mention Kavanaugh and actually mention four boys involved, although she says there were only two.

if you didn't like that source here is a more liberal source for you. she states the same thing.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...vanaugh-christine-blasey-ford-washington-post

Ford says she doesn’t remember many details of the event, such as how she got home, the exact year it took place, or how the gathering was put together.

so yea the only one making stuff up here is you.
no you just don't like facts.

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ludin said:

Innocent until proven guilty is the mainstay no matter where you are not not just court.
you do not get to make accusations against someone without proof and declare them guilty.

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The democrats are just following a belief they set forth some time ago to justify their actions i.e.:

"Even though there is no evidence, the seriousness of the charge is what matters."

So facts do not matter as long as there is a charge they can sway opinions with by using a biased media to run a mock trial in the court of public opinion. The goal here is to stop a mans nomination by running a smear campaign based on the hear-say and supposed memory of ones teen age years, one that has be discounted by others but those are not as reported on. They have achieved one of their goals by delaying the nomination process, but that's not enough, they now sense blood in the water and are going after the destruction of a mans reputation.

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Zyphlin said:

Talking about this from a "law enforcement" stand point, the FBI has no jurisdiction to "address this" and the Maryland police have no compelling interest to address it from a Law Enforcement aspect because it's outside the statue of limitations. I understand the desire for a "law enforcement agency" to address this, but at this point it's not a "law enforcement" issue.

From a background investigation aspect, the FBI had already engaged in such an investigation of the candidate as is the norm, and at this point in time doesn't appear to believe anything beyond what has already been conducted is needed to look into this matter given their statements thus far.

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the only reason that they would look into it is if ordered by the white house or if there was a federal crime.
the only reason that the FBI was involved with hill was that she accused thomas of on the job harassment which is a federal crime.

otherwise they would have stayed out of it.

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Renae said:

The FBI has no jurisdiction on the matter and made that clear. What they want is to delay the vote till after Nov in hopes they have the numbers to reject Kavanaugh.

This isn't about due process, if they cared this would have been brought up weeks ago.

Nice try.

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Seems like I always have to tell people the sun comes up in the morning. It's that bad here.

When the FBI investigates for any government position, they investigate your character.

You have a point about the timing being political. OTOH, they are trying to deal with a long line of underhanded Republican dirty tricks.

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Sabre said:

The democrats are just following a belief they set forth some time ago to justify their actions i.e.:

"Even though there is no evidence, the seriousness of the charge is what matters."

So facts do not matter as long as there is a charge they can sway opinions with by using a biased media to run a mock trial in the court of public opinion. The goal here is to stop a mans nomination by running a smear campaign based on the hear-say and supposed memory of ones teen age years, one that has be discounted by others but those are not as reported on. They have achieved one of their goals by delaying the nomination process, but that's not enough, they now sense blood in the water and are going after the destruction of a mans reputation.

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i have to agree which is disgusting.

they would have locked my son up in jail when a boy at his school accused him even though the boy lied.
that is how disgusting the people that advocate this stuff are.

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late said:

Seems like I always have to tell people the sun comes up in the morning. It's that bad here.

When the FBI investigates for any government position, they investigate your character.

You have a point about the timing being political. OTOH, they are trying to deal with a long line of underhanded Republican dirty tricks.

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the only dirty trick is accusing someone of sexual assault without evidence.
in fact it is pretty disgusting and people should be ashamed of supporting such behavior.

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Cardinal said:

And hopelessly so. That's why it's reasonable to let a professional law enforcement agency address this.

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Zyphlin said:

Talking about this from a "law enforcement" stand point, the FBI has no jurisdiction to "address this" and the Maryland police have no compelling interest to address it from a Law Enforcement aspect because it's outside the statue of limitations. I understand the desire for a "law enforcement agency" to address this, but at this point it's not a "law enforcement" issue.

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My apologies, but I was wrong here. Sexual Offense in the 3rd degree, which is what I believe she described, would not be outside the statute of limitations in Maryland. As such, if a law enforcement agency was going to investigate, it would be appropriate for either the local or state police within the jurisdiction this occurred to investigate and take action if necessary.

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Zyphlin said:

I don't necessarily buy that; at least not from all parties. I don't doubt for a minute there are individuals, on both sides, caring FAR more about the political impacts and uses of this than the human aspects of it. However, I don't doubt that this woman truly does believe what she's been feeling/saying and, if Kavanaugh didn't do exactly as alleged, I'm sure he is aghast at the accusation and the damage it'll do to his reputation. I'm sure while both MAY have political feelings regarding this, that for both of them there absolutely is a very personal angle to this whole thing.

However, I think for many of the members of congress, and even people talking about this, on both sides this likely is more of a political thing. While both will give some lip service to the personal aspects, I think deep down the care for many is the actual political aspects of this because frankly that's the aspect that is more personal TO THEM.

But I don't really necessarily think the entirety of this issue is wholly and completely political. Is it possible? Yes. But based on what I've seen and heard thus far, I have a hard time believing it is JUST that, at least relating to all parties involved.

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do i think that something happened yep more than likely.
do i think that kavanaugh did it? nope.

there is nothing there to suggest it. no evidence to say he did.
the presumption of innocence.

I know what it is like to go through these types of accusations. people take the accuser over the accused.
you only get out of it if someone can support you or they admit they are lying. luckily for my family the kid
admitted he lied.

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Zyphlin said:

My apologies, but I was wrong here. Sexual Offense in the 3rd degree, which is what I believe she described, would not be outside the statute of limitations in Maryland. As such, if a law enforcement agency was going to investigate, it would be appropriate for either the local or state police within the jurisdiction this occurred to investigate and take action if necessary.

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They would only do that if a formal charge is made.
Also they would only do it if they had enough evidence to go on.

She doesn't remember when it happened, whose house it was, the date or anything.
so it makes it pretty much impossible.

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Zyphlin said:

My apologies, but I was wrong here. Sexual Offense in the 3rd degree, which is what I believe she described, would not be outside the statute of limitations in Maryland. As such, if a law enforcement agency was going to investigate, it would be appropriate for either the local or state police within the jurisdiction this occurred to investigate and take action if necessary.

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Yup, I had to double check Maryland's state laws myself just to be sure. I too arrived at attempted 3rd degree rape.

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Cardinal said:

Yup, I had to double check Maryland's state laws myself just to be sure. I too arrived at attempted 3rd degree rape.

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I don't think they have 3rd degree rape, just 1st and 2nd. Are you meaning 3rd degree sexual offense (which is what would more colloquially be known as sexual assault)?

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Zyphlin said:

I don't think they have 3rd degree rape, just 1st and 2nd. Are you meaning 3rd degree sexual offense (which is what would more colloquially be known as sexual assault)?

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Yes, that's what I meant.

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Renae said:

Juanita Brodrick, Paula Jones... How about this?

Keith Ellison domestic violence accuser says Democratic party doesn't believe her story | Fox News



I wonder if those demanding an FBI inquiry believe her story blankly too?

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But...thats DIFFERENT..and besides...WHATABOUT!!!

Leftists already have their reply.

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ludin said:

the only dirty trick

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Merrick Garland, hiding Kavanough's paper trail, lying about committee confidential status. Pretty sure there's more, that's just off the top of my head.

They know he would never in a million years survive a normal nominating process, so they are cheating their asses off.

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late said:

Merrick Garland, hiding Kavanough's paper trail, lying about committee confidential status. Pretty sure there's more, that's just off the top of my head.

They know he would never in a million years survive a normal nominating process, so they are cheating their asses off.

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Nope no dirty tricks at all and Kavanaugh passed the hearings with flying colors.
nothing stuck no matter how much of a spectacle that liberals made of themselves.

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ludin said:

Nope no dirty tricks...

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That's weird, and factually incorrect.

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late said:

That's weird, and factually incorrect.

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actually it is correct which has been proven. he passed with flying colors.

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ludin said:

actually it is correct which has been proven. he passed with flying colors.

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I made a number of accurate assertions you cannot refute.

Btw, take a class in logic.

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MrWonka said:

This isn't a court that will be determining if Kavanaugh goes to jail. Being appointed to the Supreme Court is an incredible privilege and an honor. It's one that comes with an immense responsibility. Innocent until proven guilty is fine if he was being charged with sexual assault and facing prison time, but we have a duty to make sure that we have complete confidence in someone who would serve a lifetime appointment on the highest court in the land. Just like any other election the people voting on his nomination should use and consider any and all information about the candidates past when weighing in their decision. If they trust her word over his they are under no requirement to need further proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

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That is all true. But I personally don’t need proof beyond a reasonable doubt to oppose the nomination. I just need to think the accusation is more likely true than not. And I am not there yet.

If ALL it takes is someone’s word to squash an appointment then we are setting ourselves up for trouble. If we set that precedent then moving forward every nominee to an important office risks the opposition party finding someone to make up an accusation in order to squash it.

I’m not saying Ford is lying. But if the nomination fails based SOLELY on her word then in the future we can expect a bunch of such accusations that ARE lies. Or do you think our political parties are above such deceit?