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Muslim Sex Gang Busted in England [W:117]

Chagos said:
Did you miss that the practice, where carried out, pre-dates the advent of both Islam and Christianity?
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Yet, the only country in Southeast Asia with a significant number of FGM cases, also contains the highest percent of practicing Muslims; Indonesia.

And the bizarre ritual of mutilating underage girls, seems to have a deeply religious component to it:

" In certain communities of Indonesia, mass female circumcision (khitanan massal) ceremony are organized by local Islamic foundations around Prophet Muhammad’s birthday.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prevalence_of_female_genital_mutilation_by_country#Indonesia[/b]
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Can you provide any proof that FGM was practiced in Indonesia during the eras of Hindu and Buddhist kingdoms?

If those carrying it out have incorporated it into whichever religion meanwhile came along, yeah, I suppose religion could be considered motivational by now.
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Not buying that at this point.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Did I deny that Pakistani muslims are a highly overrepresented in rape gangs? Oh dear for you, I didn't.



That's one of the more stupid comments from the past 6 years discussing this subject.
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Retarded . . . stupid . . . I'm sure it must be frustrating to realize that other posters here are just not smart enough to see the pure truth about this subject, as you apparently do. Please try to understand that you can reasonably expect only so much of us ordinary folk, lacking as we do your preternatural intelligence and learning.
 
truthatallcost said:
~No, but you were quickly heading down Meaningless Spin Road, by trying to divert attention towards the fact that most sex offenders in a predominantly white country, are in fact the race of the majority. That fact is rapidly changing anyway, and as soon as the British government stops being so wimpy about all this, we should have a more accurate glimpse of who's doing what.
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So I was spinning about the fact around 7600 paedophiles in prison are white and around 600 are muslims and you think that number is "rapidly changing" to show what exactly?

truthatallcost said:
~ Calling something stupid doesn't make it so. In fact, offering no explanation about what you mean, makes your comment look stupid.
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Sorry it does, those rape gangs are known to have started in their own community first, many also had black, Hindu and Sikh victims

matchlight said:
Retarded . . . stupid . . . I'm sure it must be frustrating to realize that other posters here are just not smart enough to see the pure truth about this subject, as you apparently do. Please try to understand that you can reasonably expect only so much of us ordinary folk, lacking as we do your preternatural intelligence and learning.
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Some basic research, even a simple perusal of the Rotherham report will tell you it's not about racism by these gangs - it was simple opportunism.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
So I was spinning about the fact around 7600 paedophiles in prison are white and around 600 are muslims and you think that number is "rapidly changing" to show what exactly?
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I've told you I can't download PDFs. Neither would I from your government or mine.
However, I'll be polite and assume your figures are valid, because I'm a nice guy.

While Muslim men make up 2.5% of the UK's population, they account for 14.4% of the prison population.
Why the surge in Muslim prisoners? - BBC News

Yet you say that they make up 8% of the incarcerated pedophiles. Eh, considering they're 2.5% of the population, do you want to brag about the fact that they are overrepresented in the pedo charts at a tune of almost 4x their general population #?


Sorry it does, those rape gangs are known to have started in their own community first, many also had black, Hindu and Sikh victims
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So if they abused 5 black, Hindu, or Sikh victims before moving on to abusing 300 white children, you still have no point. They've made they're preference clear; they find white children to be the most suitable for rape. This is why I'd like to see the UK bring back the capital punishment, because these subhuman cave dwellers truly deserve it.


Some basic research, even a simple perusal of the Rotherham report will tell you it's not about racism by these gangs - it was simple opportunism.
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It IS about race and racism. Several of these men have SAID SO, IN THEIR OWN WORDS. Stop defending these men.
 
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Infinite Chaos said:
...Some basic research, even a simple perusal of the Rotherham report will tell you it's not about racism by these gangs - it was simple opportunism.
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Gee, more victim blaming again IC, you're a disgrace!! /sarcasm

When did any of these people ever see a 'Paki' do anything that wasn't bad. I saw one smile once, obviously up to no good. /sarcasm

Must find a way to turn that sarcasm off.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
So I was spinning about the fact around 7600 paedophiles in prison are white and around 600 are muslims and you think that number is "rapidly changing" to show

Sorry it does, those rape gangs are known to have started in their own community first, many also had black, Hindu and Sikh victims



Some basic research, even a simple perusal of the Rotherham report will tell you it's not about racism by these gangs - it was simple opportunism.
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Like I said, the reason it could persist, be it in Rotherham or Rochdale or anywhere else, is "rape culture." No one gives a damn when women are sexually exploited. It's par for the course. To those in power, they are not "victims" they are the enemy.

...government appointed Louise Casey to conduct an inspection of Rotherham Council.[32] Published in January 2015, the Casey report concluded that the council had a bullying, sexist culture of covering up information and silencing whistleblowers, and was "not fit for purpose".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal
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truthatallcost said:
Yet, the only country in Southeast Asia with a significant number of FGM cases, also contains the highest percent of practicing Muslims; Indonesia.

And the bizarre ritual of mutilating underage girls, seems to have a deeply religious component to it:



Can you provide any proof that FGM was practiced in Indonesia during the eras of Hindu and Buddhist kingdoms?
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Your point is taken.

Meaning I'm not reputing that FGM is closely linked to Islamic doctrines. But then I never said it wasn't, just that Islam never "invented" it. The Qur'an makes no mention of it whatsoever and nothing exists in Islam that makes it mandatory.

Overarching point being that FGM was already practised before the arrival of either Islam or Christianity in areas of Africa and the M.E. and was rooted in ethnic culture.

I agree that by all historical accounts it wasn't practised in Indonesia before that arrival. Nor in other S.E. countries (like Malaysia).

Nevertheless its history predates Islam in those parts of Africa and the M.E. where it's always been practised.
 
truthatallcost said:
I've told you I can't download PDFs. Neither would I from your government or mine.
However, I'll be polite and assume your figures are valid, because I'm a nice guy.
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Not just the figures. To address your last comment about race and racism: from the report.

In her 2006 report she described how the appeal of organised sexual exploitation for Asian gangs had changed. In the past, it had been for their personal gratification, whereas now it offered 'career and financial opportunities to young Asian men who got involved’.
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truthatallcost said:
While Muslim men make up 2.5% of the UK's population, they account for 14.4% of the prison population.
Why the surge in Muslim prisoners? - BBC News

Yet you say that they make up 8% of the incarcerated pedophiles. Eh, considering they're 2.5% of the population, do you want to brag about the fact that they are overrepresented in the pedo charts at a tune of almost 4x their general population #?
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I'm not bragging, just pointing out the vast majority of perps and their victims are not rape gang / grooming gang related. You do a disservice to the thousands more victims by pretending child abuse is only of concern when done by Pakistani muslim rapists.

truthatallcost said:
~ So if they abused 5 black, Hindu, or Sikh victims before moving on to abusing 300 white children, you still have no point. They've made they're preference clear; they find white children to be the most suitable for rape. This is why I'd like to see the UK bring back the capital punishment, because these subhuman cave dwellers truly deserve it.
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Their preference, like any sexual predator is for easy victims. The police didn't believe these girls and that's the second part of where the blame lies. Stop making this about race.

truthatallcost said:
~ It IS about race and racism. Several of these men have SAID SO, IN THEIR OWN WORDS. Stop defending these men.
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This is just stupid, do you know anything about how paedophiles target victims or not?

calamity said:
Like I said, the reason it could persist, be it in Rotherham or Rochdale or anywhere else, is "rape culture." No one gives a damn when women are sexually exploited. It's par for the course.
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The police certainly did, some of the parents certainly did but generally you're right.

calamity said:
To those in power, they are not "victims" they are the enemy.
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No idea what this means..
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Not just the figures. To address your last comment about race and racism: from the report.





I'm not bragging, just pointing out the vast majority of perps and their victims are not rape gang / grooming gang related. You do a disservice to the thousands more victims by pretending child abuse is only of concern when done by Pakistani muslim rapists.



Their preference, like any sexual predator is for easy victims. The police didn't believe these girls and that's the second part of where the blame lies. Stop making this about race.



This is just stupid, do you know anything about how paedophiles target victims or not?



The police certainly did, some of the parents certainly did but generally you're right.



No idea what this means..
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Pains in the ass who upset the apple cart--hence "the enemy."
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Not just the figures. To address your last comment about race and racism: from the report.

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In her 2006 report she described how the appeal of organised sexual exploitation for Asian gangs had changed. In the past, it had been for their personal gratification, whereas now it offered 'career and financial opportunities to young Asian men who got involved’.
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So Asian men have moved on to enslaving white children for the purpose of financial gain. This is far worse than the run of the mill pedophile, because they've turn this sickening behavior into a business. Which means that Muslim sex gangs have a bigger incentive to acquire more victims than the average pedophile in the UK would.

A similar thing exists in the USA, but instead of Pakistani men targeting white girls, the pimps are black. They look for girls from broken homes, most of them still children, and then travel from town to town, selling them via the internet.


I'm not bragging, just pointing out the vast majority of perps and their victims are not rape gang / grooming gang related. You do a disservice to the thousands more victims by pretending child abuse is only of concern when done by Pakistani muslim rapists.
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I also would like to see the death penalty used on white Christian pedophiles. They aren't assembling large, organized rape gangs to abuse children based on their race, however. Which is why I don't report here on every case involving a white Christian suspect.



Their preference, like any sexual predator is for easy victims.
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White children sell on the black market for more than others do. Same in the USA. You yourself tried earlier to rationalize Muslim rape gangs by pointing to the business side of their rape habits.

The police didn't believe these girls and that's the second part of where the blame lies.
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The real blame lies at the feet of the people who have infected your police agencies with political correctness. Many articles point out the fact that police officials panicked when they heard of white children being raped by mobs of Pakistani men, because they were more afraid of the British media (scum) than of failing to prevent future sexual assaults on children.

Stop making this about race.
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You wouldn't be so confused if it were white soldiers raping underage girls in Africa, would you? You'd probably see a racial component there I'm assuming.

This is just stupid, do you know anything about how paedophiles target victims or not?
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Covered this already.
 
HonestJoe said:
How much more of an issue could it be? They’ve been caught, charged and are pretty much guaranteed to be convicted of a wide range of serious offences and their names and pictures splashed across all the tabloids. It certainly seems to be a higher profile issue than child abuse and paedophile rings that don’t involve Asians.
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Well it wasn't an issue at all for years. Why? Because the local police and government squashed the story. This kind of thing has been going on for over 20 years in the UK, did you even know that?

And incidentally, why should English girls alone be number one priority?
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They're certainly the #1 target for these precious pedophiles, aren't they?

Is abuse on non-English children or boys not as serious in your mind?
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No. However, when a minority of people engage in what amounts to an onslaught of torture and rape against a specific race/gender/age group, I'm damn well going to be pissed off and say something about it.
 
Andalublue said:
Not contesting that these groups you highlight may have Indian or Pakistani roots, but that it's 'a Muslim thing', as per the comment I replied to. Reading's a great skill to master.

Similarly, when people talk about FGM being a Muslim practice we can easily show that it is a cultural practice almost wholly unrelated to religion and highly prevalent in Christian as well as majority Muslim societies.

Truthatallcost is using these horrible crimes to further his anti-Muslim obsession and thus far it has been pretty obvious that you've no inclination to correct him. I guess you need to find allies where you can.
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..and again - Got a source for that allegation???
 
calamity said:
Well, for one, these criminals are English citizens, but of Pakistani descent. So, it's kind of weird or perhaps you are just ill-informed that you wrote this in the OP: "Can anyone from the UK tell me WHY the hell English children are being raped by gangs of Pakistani men?"

Now, if you want to say pimping is primarily a Muslim problem in England, I suspect you'd have a pretty high mountain to climb. Just saying.
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Got a source for that???

What's with all these un-sourced allegations??? Don't you people know that in an online discussion board it's pretty much accepted that you back up your allegations with a source???
 
gunner said:
Why not, let's blame UK society for letting these sub cultures to thrive with impunity and no fear of ever getting caught. That's pretty much what happened in these Northern Towns of England. Multiculturalism affords the up most protection of a groups ways and customs.
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Manc Skipper said:
They were caught though.
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There is also a strong cultural "snitches get stitches" kind of mentality among Muslims. I'd like to know how many of their neighbors were aware of this and kept silent and I'd like to know how much help the police got from the local Muslim community in investigating this.
 
truthatallcost said:
Sigh..here we go again. As I previously predicted, more rape gangs consisting of men from Muslim backgrounds have been found to be operating in the UK, this time in the town of Huddersfield, in West Yorkshire.



Can anyone from the UK tell me WHY the hell English children are being raped by gangs of Pakistani men, and this isn't a bigger issue? Is there a soccer game on or something? Stopping the rape of English girls need to be PRIORITY #1, if you want your girls to have any kind of a future.
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Names of those arrested and their charges:


Amere Singh Dhaliwal , 34, of Huddersfield. He is charged with rape (x21), supply of Class A drugs (x4), supply of Class B drugs, supply of controlled substances with intention to engage in sexual activity, trafficking female within the UK with a view to her sexual exploitation (x14), Incite a child to engage in sexual activity (x5), sexual assault by penetration, sexual touching (x3), possession of indecent images of a child (x3), racially aggravated assault and incite a child into prostitution.

Irfan Ahmed, 32, of Huddersfield. He is charged with trafficking a female within the UK with a view to her sexual exploitation (x6), sexual touching, taking indecent images of a child and inciting a child to engage in sexual activity.

Asif Bashir, 32, of Huddersfield. He is charged with rape (x4) and attempted rape.

Zahid Hassan , 28, of Huddersfield. He charged with trafficking a child within the UK with a view to her sexual exploitation (x5), rape (x8), racially aggravated assault, supply of Class A drugs (x2), inciting a child into sexual activity, child abduction (x2) and attempted rape.

Manzoor Hassan , 37, of Huddersfield. He is charged with supply of noxious substance with intent to injure, annoy or aggrieve female, supply of Class A drugs (x2) and incite a child into prostitution.

Mohammed Kammer, 32, of Huddersfield. He is charged with two counts of rape.

Mohammed Rizwan Aslam , 29, of Huddersfield. He is charged with two counts of rape.

Abdul Rehman Hanif , 29, of Huddersfield. He is charged with rape, supply of Class A drugs, supply of Class B drugs (x2), supply of controlled substance with intent to engage in sexual activity, sexual touching and trafficking a female within the UK with a view to her sexual exploitation.

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Interesting cut and pasting from a country that has 100000 rapes/year.
This is one example and nothing about the white gangs who rape their share
Omg the dreaded Muslims.
Heard about the Tennessee white boy who dismembered his parents, sandy hook, I could go online for
 
I guess they don't have a special room with 72 virgins then?
 
YorkshirePete said:
Interesting cut and pasting from a country that has 100000 rapes/year.
This is one example and nothing about the white gangs who rape their share
Omg the dreaded Muslims.
Heard about the Tennessee white boy who dismembered his parents, sandy hook, I could go online for
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Please go offline instead.
 
faithful_servant said:
There is also a strong cultural "snitches get stitches" kind of mentality among Muslims. I'd like to know how many of their neighbors were aware of this and kept silent and I'd like to know how much help the police got from the local Muslim community in investigating this.
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Amazing these so Judgemental presumable white boys who never lived outside the confederacy.
If you watched the doc the police got tons of help. But then I guess you are not interested outside they were Muslims.
Did you know the inventor of your iPhone was a Muslim?
And USA Muslims have better Ed and make more than our white rube posters here?
 
gunner said:
Why not, let's blame UK society for letting these sub cultures to thrive with impunity and no fear of ever getting caught. That's pretty much what happened in these Northern Towns of England. Multiculturalism affords the up most protection of a groups ways and customs.
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YorkshirePete said:
Amazing these so Judgemental presumable white boys who never lived outside the confederacy.
If you watched the doc the police got tons of help. But then I guess you are not interested outside they were Muslims.
Did you know the inventor of your iPhone was a Muslim?
And USA Muslims have better Ed and make more than our white rube posters here?
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Oh look... Stupid stuff. straw men galore, false assumptions and bigotry all packaged up nice neat into one simple-minded little post....
 
truthatallcost said:
Sigh..here we go again. As I previously predicted, more rape gangs consisting of men from Muslim backgrounds have been found to be operating in the UK, this time in the town of Huddersfield, in West Yorkshire.



Can anyone from the UK tell me WHY the hell English children are being raped by gangs of Pakistani men, and this isn't a bigger issue?
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It's pretty obvious by all the anti-immigrant threads you have started that you have a MAJOR problem with immigrants. And I assume, especially Muslim immigrants.

https://www.debatepolitics.com/search.php?searchid=6611338

There were over 24,000 rapes in England/Wales in 2014. Most people - I guess - do not go around hating/suspecting immigrant Muslims like you seem to do considering they represent a minuscule fraction of the total number of rapes.

And your drawn and quartered idea is flat out barbaric and utterly ridiculous.

Go back to the middle ages and take your apparent hatred for Muslim immigrants with you.


We are done here.

Have a nice day.
 
DA60 said:
It's pretty obvious by all the anti-immigrant threads you have started that you have a MAJOR problem with immigrants. And I assume, especially Muslim immigrants.
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Yep, I'm opposed. Good work detective.

https://www.debatepolitics.com/search.php?searchid=6611338

There were over 24,000 rapes in England/Wales in 2014. Most people - I guess - do not go around hating/suspecting immigrant Muslims like you seem to do considering they represent a minuscule fraction of the total number of rapes.
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Government findings suggest that only 1 in 10 rapes are reported to police. What do you think of that?

And your drawn and quartered idea is flat out barbaric and utterly ridiculous.
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You forgot to say 'hilarious'.

Go back to the middle ages and take your apparent hatred for Muslim immigrants with you.
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I'm trying to avoid the middle ages. You're in favor of bringing it's occupants to be my neighbors. Why can't you understand anything?


We are done here.
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See you soon.

Have a nice day.
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Say what you mean Da. Do you really mean that?
 
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