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[W:222]World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

Re: World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

Jack Hays said:
As I wrote before: NTZ is an excellent source of unpoliticized climate science information.
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And that was as grotesquely hilarious a lie then as it is now.
 
Re: World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

Buzz said:
Damn Jack... how many times does the truth about NTZ's BS have to be pointed out to you before you get a clue and go look for yourself?
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I couldn't possibly guess what that number would be but it would be huge if not infinite.
 
Re: World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

Lord of Planar said:
I'm sorry you don't comprehend lag.
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It's so helpful that climate science deniers have so little self-awareness that they eagerly display their ignorance, stupidity and lying without hesitation much less embarrassment.
 
Re: World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

digitusmedius said:
It's so helpful that climate science deniers have so little self-awareness that they eagerly display their ignorance, stupidity and lying without hesitation much less embarrassment.
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Let me ask you a question?
The concept of latency or lag between a climate perturbation and final equalization temperature is will known, if not agreed upon.
The time lag between a carbon dioxide emission and maximum warming increases with the size of the emission - IOPscience
Our results suggest that as CO2 accumulates in the atmosphere, the full warming effect of an emission may not be felt for several decades, if not centuries.
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The question is if the latency between a warming perturbation caused by added CO2 could be several decades, if not centuries,
than why would the latency between a warming perturbation from increase in solar activity be any different.
While I personally do not think the lag is that great, any argument used by the alarmist, can also be used by the skeptics.
 
Re: World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

calamity said:
Yes, folks, Climate Change is really happening. And, no, folks--the globe is not cooling. :doh
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Wow! Shocking news!

I never knew that there was a thing called climate change. Must be something more recent in our history?

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Re: World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

Glitch said:
You are absolutely correct that humans had nothing to do with it.
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When climate science deniers use ancient climate events which occurred before there were any humans on the planet and then claim that proves that humans have had no effect on climate that's what's called a "truism." But it's also an irrelevancy. It took nearly 2000 years for human population to increase tenfold by 1900. It has increased fivefold in just the 120 years since then. That time period also correlates precisely with the massive increase in the burning of fossil fuels--specifically oil and gasoline use by automobiles and industry--and the highest and most rapid rise in atmospheric CO₂ in at least the last 800,000 years and in particular just the last mere 150 years and even more drastically in just the past 20 years alone. I know this won't stop science deniers from referencing ancient and irrelevant climatic events but those are the facts.
 
Re: World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

Court Jester said:
Wow! Shocking news!

I never knew that there was a thing called climate change. Must be something more recent in our history?

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I'm surprised you didn't draw some cars and factory smokestacks in that cartoon to show that the they couldn't possibly have caused in global warming either. But thanks for the kindergarten version of climate science denial. You're always good for a laugh.
 
Re: World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

digitusmedius said:
4th report; max 59cm
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That was a lie the first time so it will always remain so.

5th report (no change in the science); max 1m
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That was also a lie the first time so it will always remain so.
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Given you are accusing me of lying, you will have strong reason to do so. You will be able to explain why I am wrong and how I obviously knew it when I said it.

To do this you will have to show that there has been a significant change in the science of sea level rise, where the water is coming from, and that it is so obvious or heavily publicised that I must have known it when I said the above.

Good luck. You will fail on both tasks.
 
Re: World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

longview said:
Let me ask you a question?
The concept of latency or lag between a climate perturbation and final equalization temperature is will known, if not agreed upon.
The time lag between a carbon dioxide emission and maximum warming increases with the size of the emission - IOPscience

The question is if the latency between a warming perturbation caused by added CO2 could be several decades, if not centuries,
than why would the latency between a warming perturbation from increase in solar activity be any different.
While I personally do not think the lag is that great, any argument used by the alarmist, can also be used by the skeptics.
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Well, first off, when one of your climate denier buddies had to blatantly (and hilariously, I give him that) alter a graph to make it fit with his latency argument, that pretty much tells us how far some people will go to lie about climate change in general as well as the specific factors. Secondly, I wonder why you think this idea of CO₂ latency debunks anything about its primacy as a warming force in global warming. If we're "only" now seeing the effects of CO₂ rise from a decade ago (at 386ppm) and we've done nothing to slow down the addition of CO₂ into the atmosphere to bring us to 409ppm and almost every year's global average temperature increase a new record. Most of the warming from the sun does not come directly from the TSI but from reduced radiation of heat back into space which is a function of the greenhouse effect of increasing amounts of water vapor (due to increased evaporation which is due to increased temperatures) and CO₂.
 
Re: World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

Tim the plumber said:
Given you are accusing me of lying, you will have strong reason to do so. You will be able to explain why I am wrong and how I obviously knew it when I said it.

To do this you will have to show that there has been a significant change in the science of sea level rise, where the water is coming from, and that it is so obvious or heavily publicised that I must have known it when I said the above.

Good luck. You will fail on both tasks.
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Projection is not going to save you, Tim. It just makes you look even worse than you already do, which is hard to accomplish but you did it.
 
Re: World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

digitusmedius said:
Projection is not going to save you, Tim. It just makes you look even worse than you already do, which is hard to accomplish but you did it.
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I am amazed that you are still here and think you are achieving something positive for the alarmist side.

You are polluting this forum with idiocy and evaision.
 
Re: World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

digitusmedius said:
Well, first off, when one of your climate denier buddies had to blatantly (and hilariously, I give him that) alter a graph to make it fit with his latency argument, that pretty much tells us how far some people will go to lie about climate change in general as well as the specific factors. Secondly, I wonder why you think this idea of CO₂ latency debunks anything about its primacy as a warming force in global warming. If we're "only" now seeing the effects of CO₂ rise from a decade ago (at 386ppm) and we've done nothing to slow down the addition of CO₂ into the atmosphere to bring us to 409ppm and almost every year's global average temperature increase a new record. Most of the warming from the sun does not come directly from the TSI but from reduced radiation of heat back into space which is a function of the greenhouse effect of increasing amounts of water vapor (due to increased evaporation which is due to increased temperatures) and CO₂.
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Step away from your preformed opinions for just a second, and imagine a 50 year latency between a warming perturbation
and equalization. This could easily mean that the 1980 to 1999 warming was not mostly CO2 related, but a delayed response
from the 1910 to 1960 increase in Solar activity.
You are incorrect that Most of the warming from the sun does not come directly from the TSI, A change in ether the input or the output could cause a
an energy imbalance, Hansen even equated the climate feedbacks as being the same as a 2% increase in solar output.
Suppose for a second that the 1980 to 1999 warming was not from CO2, all the models would be wrong.
While I do not think this is the case, that the latency is that long, we have remember that the climate feedbacks
have no way of knowing the source of the warming perturbation they are responding to.
 
Re: World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

digitusmedius said:
I couldn't possibly guess what that number would be but it would be huge if not infinite.
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Yes... infinite. When Jack first started pushing all his denialist misinformation you could actually show him where they were wrong and he would acknowledge it by telling you to take it up with the original author. But nowadays he doesn't even bother to understand or debate any of his posts anymore so ALL of them are automatically correct as far as he is concerned.
 
Re: World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

Buzz said:
Yes... infinite. When Jack first started pushing all his denialist misinformation you could actually show him where they were wrong and he would acknowledge it by telling you to take it up with the original author. But nowadays he doesn't even bother to understand or debate any of his posts anymore so ALL of them are automatically correct as far as he is concerned.
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Well, I disagree with that assesment. I think he will debate the science.

I certainly try to.

I do, however, not get any such scientific discussion from you.
 
Re: World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

digitusmedius said:
Jeebus, Jack....I know you must be a sucker for any rightwinger with a degree above AA but this slavish worship of a physicist who's clings to a well debunked theory of global warming should embarrass anyone with a speck of self-respect.........oh, wait. That's it. Climate science deniers gave that up decades ago. Nevermind.
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Unless you can offer substance you would do well to keep silent.
 
Re: World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

Tim the plumber said:
Well, I disagree with that assesment. I think he will debate the science.
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Oh please... When was the last time Jack actually debated something? And just declaring that he or his source is right is not debate.

Tim the plumber said:
I certainly try to.
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Yes... you try but often fail as I and many others have shown plenty of times.

Tim the plumber said:
I do, however, not get any such scientific discussion from you.
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And this is just another of your outright lies.

Remember when you used to run around this forum claiming that the average annual precipitation of Greenland was 821mm? I went and fact-checked you and found you were citing the annual precipitation of Greenland Michigan!

:lamo

You didn't show your face around here for about a month. Do I need to remind you of some of the other scientific discussions we have had?

And let's not forget the $100 you supposedly gave the forum. :cool:
 
Re: World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

digitusmedius said:
I'm surprised you didn't draw some cars and factory smokestacks in that cartoon to show that the they couldn't possibly have caused in global warming either. But thanks for the kindergarten version of climate science denial. You're always good for a laugh.
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Well, I would have drawn a picture of crying and gnashing of teeth over beverage straws and bbq grills, but I thought I would just stick to point that climate changes without our help.

Besides, even if we humans do destroy our ecosystems and there is a huge die off... why would anyone care about that? Isn't like we aren't all going to die anyway, and maybe---- just maybe, nature decides to replace us with different forms of bio-diversity, maybe even more interesting bio-diversity, so why not celebrate the cycle?

Like George Carlin said, people don't really care about the planet, they just care about a safe ecosystem for their Volvos.
 
Re: World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

Moderator's Warning:
The thread is not about you all. Stop the snarking and stick to the topic.
 
Re: World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

Court Jester said:
Wow! Shocking news!

I never knew that there was a thing called climate change. Must be something more recent in our history?

b37258a3753f7c868c108a22249d5ee0.jpg
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:roll:
 
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