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Renewable Energy and Electric Cars Pressure Oil Economically as Well as Environmentally

What if...? said:
They kind of dropped the ball on the drive system on the little bike I'm getting. Scrimped on the battery, using laptop cells and the a cheap battery management system.

But at this point in time there are no rules as to power in electric vehicles. All the laws involve ICE modifications.

And a guy on line already jacked one up to an 80mph top speed and an estimated 60 mile range at 50-60mph.

Guess I'll be building my own battery pack!
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My new bike is 48 volt 15 amp, versus the old bike at 32 volt. Lots more torque, and more distance. I am lucky to live where you can bike most of the year comfortably, and we have canals that cross the metro area diagonally and vertically and horizontally, makes it easy to get around and avoid auto traffic.
 
Lord of Planar said:
And what do you you do at 60 MPH when the battery pack catches on fire under your privates?
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Capability fat exceeds danger at this level at this point.

The gentleman I mentioned above just built a great big pack, so he had more constant discharge than he could ever need at the output I mentioned.

Range is still an issue in most cases, granted.

But you can haul as much ass as you care to.
 
What if...? said:
Capability fat exceeds danger at this level at this point.

The gentleman I mentioned above just built a great big pack, so he had more constant discharge than he could ever need at the output I mentioned.

Range is still an issue in most cases, granted.

But you can haul as much ass as you care to.
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Just keep in mind these batteries are prone to fires if everything is not properly designed. The are the same designs of the batteries we hear of laptop and cellphone fires.
 
Lord of Planar said:
I agree. I was pointing out the fact that the article gave the impression new cleaner technology coal weren't part of what was replacing dirty coal plants.


Most of which is really aerosol pollution and land use changes.


We don't subsidize fossil fuel, and we have been leading the way relative to how much new power we need to produce.


How about instead of a carbon tax, base additional tariffs on the difference in wages, ecological practices, etc.
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You are seen a drastic decline in coal power in the US and a sharp increase in renewables.

Coal to get toppled by solar, wind and other renewables in 2021 - CNN

There the devastating effects of climate change of climate change are already being felt all across the world.

The Top 10 Weather and Climate Stories of 2019 - Scientific American Blog Network
 
Lord of Planar said:
Just keep in mind these batteries are prone to fires if everything is not properly designed. The are the same designs of the batteries we hear of laptop and cellphone fires.
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This is true. And as i plan to build bigger, better battery for it I get to deal with the most dangerous part of all:

Assembly.

But I'm pretty good at the kind of focus it takes. And I get to get a spot welder!

But yeah, roughly egual to thermite. But hey, I doubt they'd allow us to have the ICE if it was discovered today because gasoline is way too dangerous.
 
Bergslagstroll said:
You are seen a drastic decline in coal power in the US and a sharp increase in renewables.

Coal to get toppled by solar, wind and other renewables in 2021 - CNN

There the devastating effects of climate change of climate change are already being felt all across the world.

The Top 10 Weather and Climate Stories of 2019 - Scientific American Blog Network
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Please stop posing links only. If you cannot quote a relevant part of the link, people will ignore it completely.

Don't you realize that?

Do you think you are being smart by doing so? Quite the opposite...
 
Lord of Planar said:
Please stop posing links only. If you cannot quote a relevant part of the link, people will ignore it completely.

Don't you realize that?

Do you think you are being smart by doing so? Quite the opposite...
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Here are some quotes from the links.

"Solar and wind power are growing so rapidly that for the first time ever, the United States will likely get more power in 2021 from renewable energy than from coal, according to projections from the Institute for Energy Economic and Financial Analysis.

This milestone is being driven by the gangbusters growth for solar and wind as well as the stunning collapse of coal. And it comes as the United Nations warned on Tuesday that countries are not doing enough to keep the planet's temperature from rising to near-catastrophic levels."

Coal to get toppled by solar, wind and other renewables in 2021 - CNN

"Near-record Arctic melting, a bountiful but deadly monsoon and three highly destructive tropical cyclones highlight the earth’s second warmest year on record"

The Top 10 Weather and Climate Stories of 2019 - Scientific American Blog Network

Here also a quote that shows that even Republicans are acknowledging the great benefits of renewable energy.

"Republicans from Texas to Iowa regularly extoll the virtues of renewables like wind and solar power, and for good reason. Rural Republican districts are often the locations with the best solar and wind resources, and when those resources are harnessed they bring good jobs to places where new sources of employment are often otherwise scarce. In fact, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics’ #1 and #2 fastest growing jobs in the U.S. are solar panel installers and wind turbine technicians. These jobs are good, solid middle class jobs with annual salaries pushing close to six-figures. Beyond construction, the plants (particularly wind farms, with their many moving parts) offer good jobs in the long term."

Why Republican Leaders Love Renewable Energy
 
Bergslagstroll said:
Here are some quotes from the links.

"Solar and wind power are growing so rapidly that for the first time ever, the United States will likely get more power in 2021 from renewable energy than from coal, according to projections from the Institute for Energy Economic and Financial Analysis.

This milestone is being driven by the gangbusters growth for solar and wind as well as the stunning collapse of coal. And it comes as the United Nations warned on Tuesday that countries are not doing enough to keep the planet's temperature from rising to near-catastrophic levels."

Coal to get toppled by solar, wind and other renewables in 2021 - CNN

"Near-record Arctic melting, a bountiful but deadly monsoon and three highly destructive tropical cyclones highlight the earth’s second warmest year on record"

The Top 10 Weather and Climate Stories of 2019 - Scientific American Blog Network

Here also a quote that shows that even Republicans are acknowledging the great benefits of renewable energy.

"Republicans from Texas to Iowa regularly extoll the virtues of renewables like wind and solar power, and for good reason. Rural Republican districts are often the locations with the best solar and wind resources, and when those resources are harnessed they bring good jobs to places where new sources of employment are often otherwise scarce. In fact, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics’ #1 and #2 fastest growing jobs in the U.S. are solar panel installers and wind turbine technicians. These jobs are good, solid middle class jobs with annual salaries pushing close to six-figures. Beyond construction, the plants (particularly wind farms, with their many moving parts) offer good jobs in the long term."

Why Republican Leaders Love Renewable Energy
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Yes.

Coal will eventually go away. It needs to. It just doesn't need to be euthanized before it naturally dies.

I have no problem with solar. I don't like wind. I have explained my reasons before.

Thank-you for finally quoiting material from links.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Yes.

Coal will eventually go away. It needs to. It just doesn't need to be euthanized before it naturally dies.

I have no problem with solar. I don't like wind. I have explained my reasons before.

Thank-you for finally quoiting material from links.
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Enormous amount of money have been spent and continue to be spend on propping up coal and other fossil fuels.

Adani mine would be 'unviable' without $4.4bn in subsidies, report finds | Environment | The Guardian

Daily chart - Donald Trump hopes to save America’s failing coal-fired power plants | Graphic detail | The Economist

That simple getting ride of fossil fuel subsidies and spending some of money on development of renewables and other technologies could make a real impact in the transition away from fossil fuels.

Just 10% of fossil fuel subsidy cash 'could pay for green transition' | Environment | The Guardian

There that change should have come decades ago because we are now running out of time.

NASA Has Broken Down All The Disturbing Ways 2019 Smashed Records
 
Bergslagstroll said:
Enormous amount of money have been spent and continue to be spend on propping up coal and other fossil fuels.

Adani mine would be 'unviable' without $4.4bn in subsidies, report finds | Environment | The Guardian

Daily chart - Donald Trump hopes to save America’s failing coal-fired power plants | Graphic detail | The Economist

That simple getting ride of fossil fuel subsidies and spending some of money on development of renewables and other technologies could make a real impact in the transition away from fossil fuels.

Just 10% of fossil fuel subsidy cash 'could pay for green transition' | Environment | The Guardian

There that change should have come decades ago because we are now running out of time.

NASA Has Broken Down All The Disturbing Ways 2019 Smashed Records
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Funny how I primarily speak of the USA, and the ink that talks about coal subsidies is for Australia.

Do you even read the links you post? It doesn't appear you ever do.
 
What if...? said:
This is true. And as i plan to build bigger, better battery for it I get to deal with the most dangerous part of all:

Assembly.

But I'm pretty good at the kind of focus it takes. And I get to get a spot welder!

But yeah, roughly egual to thermite. But hey, I doubt they'd allow us to have the ICE if it was discovered today because gasoline is way too dangerous.
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Good luck. Just don't need to have any unintentional roasted nuts.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Good luck. Just don't need to have any unintentional roasted nuts.
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Its all about the Battery Management System.

The best prevent the things that make batteries go into thermal runaway.

There can still be issues in a bad accident, but for all intents and purposes all the videos of small electric transportation devices catching fire were caused by cheap knockoff batteries and crappy BMS's.

The technology on this scale is really quite amazing.

The depth of control and array of feedback sensors actually makes them a great candidate for a STEM/Shop program. With racing. Where the gearhead dad and his kid could be on the same team as the engineer and his kid and the IT guy and his kid.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Funny how I primarily speak of the USA, and the ink that talks about coal subsidies is for Australia.

Do you even read the links you post? It doesn't appear you ever do.
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My second link was about how Trump's plans to prop up coal plants would cost. While the other links showed that it's not just the US. That globally subsidies to fossil fuel have for a long time been much bigger compared to subsidies to renewable energy.

Fossil-fuel consumption subsidies are down, but not out – Analysis - IEA

Just like then it comes to governmental spending on R & D in for example the US.

Nuclear, Fossil Fuels Have Dominated Federal Energy R&D Spending
 
Bergslagstroll said:
My second link was about how Trump's plans to prop up coal plants would cost. While the other links showed that it's not just the US. That globally subsidies to fossil fuel have for a long time been much bigger compared to subsidies to renewable energy.

Fossil-fuel consumption subsidies are down, but not out – Analysis - IEA

Just like then it comes to governmental spending on R & D in for example the US.

Nuclear, Fossil Fuels Have Dominated Federal Energy R&D Spending
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Well, considering you guys call tax breaks a subsidy, I'm not placing any merit of those links since you didn't quote any parts showing subsidies instead of tax breaks.

Your second link doesn't exist.

You lose again.
 
Bergslagstroll said:
Scotland will reach it's goal of getting 100 percent of their electricity from renewable energy this year.

Scotland to reach 100% renewables in time to host 2020 climate summit | RenewEconomy

While you also have for example Denmark, that got 47 percent of electricity from renewables last year. There you also continue to see a increase in renewable energy.

Denmark Passes Magic 50% In Renewable Electricity Generation Milestone | CleanTechnica
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What is Scotland doing with the extra energy?

Do they have a HVDC line that they can sell their extra to England, or elsewhere?
 
Lord of Planar said:
Well, considering you guys call tax breaks a subsidy, I'm not placing any merit of those links since you didn't quote any parts showing subsidies instead of tax breaks.

Your second link doesn't exist.

You lose again.
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Here is the second link, and if you can see it also works fine in the original post.

Daily chart - Donald Trump hopes to save America’s failing coal-fired power plants | Graphic detail | The Economist

Also even Fox News acknowledge the billion dollar cost of Trump's plan to prop up failing coal plants.

Trump energy bailout is coal in taxpayers’ stockings | Fox Business
 
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Lord of Planar said:
What is Scotland doing with the extra energy?

Do they have a HVDC line that they can sell their extra to England, or elsewhere?
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They can export it both to other parts of the UK and other European countries. That one way Europe deals with regulate supply and demand of electricity is imports and exports between countries.

Electricity interconnectors | Ofgem
 
Bergslagstroll said:
Here is the second link, and if you can see it also works fine in the original post.

Daily chart - Donald Trump hopes to save America’s failing coal-fired power plants | Graphic detail | The Economist

Also even Fox News acknowledge the billion dollar cost of Trump's plan to prop up failing coal plants.

Trump energy bailout is coal in taxpayers’ stockings | Fox Business
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So what are the damning quotes?

I have no time to read ever link put in front of me. Guide me to the right place in the links please.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Oh, this is cool:

World’s first offshore wind farm + battery switched on in Scotland

Now I don't know how well it fills in the low wind time events, but they are in a region where this might be practical.
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Yes there are a lot of cool innovations going on.

One way to deal with regulating supply and demand is virtual powerplants. Like for example in Australia there households and business with solar panels and batteries are part of virtual powerplants.

South Australia household batteries keeps lights on in Queensland after coal unit fails | RenewEconomy
 
Lord of Planar said:
So what are the damning quotes?

I have no time to read ever link put in front of me. Guide me to the right place in the links please.
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Here is a quotes from the Fox article.

"President Trump’s plan to bail out failing coal and nuclear power plants recently took a major step forward and could cost taxpayers billions.

On Nov. 15, 2018, the Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources advanced the nomination of Department of Energy (DOE) official Bernard McNamee to be a member of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) by a vote of 13-10. With the potential for McNamee to be confirmed as early as this month, the administration will soon gain an ally in its quest to prop up struggling coal and nuclear plants.

A proposed bailout from DOE Secretary Rick Perry was unanimously rejected by FERC on Jan. 8, 2018. The commission argued that the plan failed to demonstrate that existing legal requirements were “unjust, unreasonable, unduly discriminatory or preferential.”

Former FERC Commissioner Robert Powelson, who resigned in August, stood by the agency’s current approach to the energy market, saying, “This intervention could potentially ‘blow up’ the markets and result in significant rate increases without any corresponding reliability, resilience, or cybersecurity benefits.”

Trump energy bailout is coal in taxpayers’ stockings | Fox Business
 
Bergslagstroll said:
Here is a quotes from the Fox article.

"President Trump’s plan to bail out failing coal and nuclear power plants recently took a major step forward and could cost taxpayers billions.

On Nov. 15, 2018, the Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources advanced the nomination of Department of Energy (DOE) official Bernard McNamee to be a member of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) by a vote of 13-10. With the potential for McNamee to be confirmed as early as this month, the administration will soon gain an ally in its quest to prop up struggling coal and nuclear plants.

A proposed bailout from DOE Secretary Rick Perry was unanimously rejected by FERC on Jan. 8, 2018. The commission argued that the plan failed to demonstrate that existing legal requirements were “unjust, unreasonable, unduly discriminatory or preferential.”

Former FERC Commissioner Robert Powelson, who resigned in August, stood by the agency’s current approach to the energy market, saying, “This intervention could potentially ‘blow up’ the markets and result in significant rate increases without any corresponding reliability, resilience, or cybersecurity benefits.”

Trump energy bailout is coal in taxpayers’ stockings | Fox Business
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All I see is the type of hype I see in corporate statements, that often are not true.
 
Investors are starting to acknowledge the need for divestment from fossil fuels.

"“I’m done with fossil fuels ... they’re just done. We’re starting to see divestment all over the world,” Cramer said. “You’re seeing divestiture by a lot of different funds. It’s going to be a parade. It’s going to be a parade that says, ‘Look, these are tobacco and we’re not going to own them.’”

Cramer said there are reasons to think that some of the fossil fuel stocks look like attractive buying opportunities, but the desire of money managers and funds to avoid the sector makes him stay away.

The “Mad Money” host’s comments come a few weeks after BlackRock chief Larry Fink used his annual letter to the world’s biggest companies to warn that climate change will soon cause a “significant reallocation of capital.”

BlackRock, with more than $7 trillion in assets under management, will put “sustainability at the center of our investment approach,” from portfolio construction to launching new investment products that screen fossil fuels, Fink wrote."

Cramer sees oil stocks in the '''death knell phase,''' says new tobacco

While corporations are also acknowledge the great potential and need for renewable energy.

"NEF’s 1H 2020 Corporate Energy Market Outlook found that corporates purchased 19.5GW of clean power through power purchase agreements (PPAs) last year, up from 13.6GW in 2018 and more than triple the levels recorded in 2017.

The 19.5GW of PPA contracts was equivalent to more than 10% of the renewable energy capacity that was added globally in 2019, with BNEF claiming that the projects cost between $20bn and $30bn to develop.

BNEF’s lead sustainability analyst Jonas Rooze said: “Corporations have purchased more than 50GW of clean energy since 2008. That is bigger than the power generation fleets of markets like Vietnam and Poland. These buyers are reshaping power markets and the business models of energy companies around the world.”

BNEF’s analysis noted that the growth was driven by a large increase in new corporate sustainability commitments. Nearly 400 companies globally have committed to setting science-based targets in 2019, while an additional 63 firms agreed to join the RE100 initiative last year, pledging to procure 100% renewable electricity. The RE100 totalled 221 members through 2019, collectively consuming 233TWh of electricity in 2018."

Corporate clean energy contracts grew by 40% in 2019
 
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