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Most of The World Could Be 100% Powered With Renewables by 2050

Media_Truth said:
You are displaying a lack of familiarity with regards to Plug-in Hybrids like the Volt.
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That's not an argument... Make an argument... What am I supposedly "unfamiliar" with with regards to plug in hybrids...
 
Media_Truth said:
You are displaying a lack of familiarity with regards to Plug-in Hybrids like the Volt.
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No, we were discussing EVs. The Chevy Volt is a hybrid. It is a gasoline powered car. It gets no better mileage than any compact car.
 
gfm7175 said:
Collecting what... dust? :lamo but agreed completely...

Why people enjoy limited range and long charging times, all while NOT "saving the planet" or "limiting pollution", is beyond me...

Gasoline works great for me.
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There is no "limited range" with a plug-in hybrid. A Volt will use it's charge (50+ miles), and automatically switch to gasoline. The gas drives an engine, which turns a generator, which constantly regenerates the 330-Volt batteries, so that you're always using the electric drive for propulsion. If you want, you can drive all the way across the country on gasoline.

In my everyday driving, I go through less than 2 gallons of gas per month.
 
Media_Truth said:
There is no "limited range" with a plug-in hybrid. A Volt will use it's charge (50+ miles), and automatically switch to gasoline. The gas drives an engine, which turns a generator, which constantly regenerates the 330-Volt batteries, so that you're always using the electric drive for propulsion. If you want, you can drive all the way across the country on gasoline.

In my everyday driving, I go through less than 2 gallons of gas per month.
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Yeah, because the Volt makes use of gasoline. The discussion was more or less about EVs...

And you must not drive that far then...
 
gfm7175 said:
Yeah, because the Volt makes use of gasoline. The discussion was more or less about EVs...

And you must not drive that far then...
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Good to see that you now understand.
 
I find it funny that Electric Vehicles have to get their supply of electricity from an electric grid and that grid can not run on renewables. Yes I sure of it I have an electric engineering degree and work for CAISO. It would be nice to have a discussion on this forum with someone of similar education and job experience instead of with climate change researchers and news watchers.
 
Media_Truth said:
Good to see that you now understand.
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I don't "now" understand... I've had the same understanding this whole time... we've had this "plug in hybrid" talk before if I remember correctly...
 
jdog21 said:
I find it funny that Electric Vehicles have to get their supply of electricity from an electric grid and that grid can not run on renewables. Yes I sure of it I have an electric engineering degree and work for CAISO. It would be nice to have a discussion on this forum with someone of similar education and job experience instead of with climate change researchers and news watchers.
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And they don't like coal mining yet they are perfectly fine with lithium mining...

These types also don't like what they refer to as "fossil fuels", yet they depend on that energy in order to power their EVs... let's just say that most people aren't powering their EVs and other electronics with wind and/or solar...
 
gfm7175 said:
And they don't like coal mining yet they are perfectly fine with lithium mining...

These types also don't like what they refer to as "fossil fuels", yet they depend on that energy in order to power their EVs... let's just say that most people aren't powering their EVs and other electronics with wind and/or solar...
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Their should be a standard on all EVs that they have to have regenerative brakes and solar panels on the hoods and roofs of their cars. If your trying to go off fossil fuels force the car makers to build cars with all the clean electric building capabilities possible instead of just pushing the carbon emissions on to another industries problem to bare.
 
Media_Truth said:
There is no "limited range" with a plug-in hybrid.
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That's because it's a gasoline powered car. The electric only power is limited range.
Media_Truth said:
A Volt will use it's charge (50+ miles), and automatically switch to gasoline.
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Which makes it a gasoline powered car.
Media_Truth said:
The gas drives an engine, which turns a generator, which constantly regenerates the 330-Volt batteries, so that you're always using the electric drive for propulsion.
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Which is a car with the weight of two powerplants, plus losses for conversion.
Media_Truth said:
If you want, you can drive all the way across the country on gasoline.
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Because it's a gasoline powered car.
Media_Truth said:
In my everyday driving, I go through less than 2 gallons of gas per month.
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Enjoy your limited range before you have to switch to gasoline.
 
jdog21 said:
I find it funny that Electric Vehicles have to get their supply of electricity from an electric grid and that grid can not run on renewables. Yes I sure of it I have an electric engineering degree and work for CAISO. It would be nice to have a discussion on this forum with someone of similar education and job experience instead of with climate change researchers and news watchers.
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That grid DOES run on renewables.

Hydroelectric power is renewable energy.
Oil is renewable energy.
Methane is renewable energy.
Nuclear is not.
Coal we don't know.
 
gfm7175 said:
I don't "now" understand... I've had the same understanding this whole time... we've had this "plug in hybrid" talk before if I remember correctly...
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Yup. Already discussed. I guess Media_Truth forgot it happened.
 
jdog21 said:
Their should be a standard on all EVs that they have to have regenerative brakes and solar panels on the hoods and roofs of their cars. If your trying to go off fossil fuels force the car makers to build cars with all the clean electric building capabilities possible instead of just pushing the carbon emissions on to another industries problem to bare.
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Not the car maker's fault. It's the owner's fault. They are the ones charging their cars from the grid.

Personally, I have no problem with electric cars, other than the limited range and refueling time required.
 
jdog21 said:
I find it funny that Electric Vehicles have to get their supply of electricity from an electric grid and that grid can not run on renewables. Yes I sure of it I have an electric engineering degree and work for CAISO. It would be nice to have a discussion on this forum with someone of similar education and job experience instead of with climate change researchers and news watchers.
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I'm not an engineer but it's clear that you are seeing a transition away from fossil fuels and investments in renewables all across the world. That even Republicans on a local level are starting to see the benefits of renewable energy.

"Republicans from Texas to Iowa regularly extoll the virtues of renewables like wind and solar power, and for good reason. Rural Republican districts are often the locations with the best solar and wind resources, and when those resources are harnessed they bring good jobs to places where new sources of employment are often otherwise scarce. In fact, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics’ #1 and #2 fastest growing jobs in the U.S. are solar panel installers and wind turbine technicians. These jobs are good, solid middle class jobs with annual salaries pushing close to six-figures. Beyond construction, the plants (particularly wind farms, with their many moving parts) offer good jobs in the long term."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshua...n-leaders-love-renewable-energy/#19e1ae563da7

While half of new cars in Norway was electric or hybrid and the goal is also that all cars should be zero emission by 2025. There Norway also have a right wing government.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ar-sales-now-electric-or-hybrid-idUSKBN1ES0WC

In Sweden you have road trials with electric roads.

https://www.thelocal.se/20180413/worlds-first-electric-road-opens-in-sweden
 
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Jack Hays said:
Ah yes. Seeking higher rates.

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Though customers will realize savings over the long-term as a result of these investments – largely through lower fuel costs from increased utilization of renewable energy and the avoidance of costs associated with maintaining and upgrading aging facilities – NIPSCO’s separate request to adjust electric rates does propose an incremental increase to electric rates for residential customers to support this transition.​
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Replacing coal with renewables is the cheapest option in Indiana.

"NIPSCO's upcoming IRP is more evidence that coal generation is steadily declining in the U.S. despite efforts from the Trump administration to save it.

In Indiana, as elsewhere, the issue is economics. The youngest generating units at NIPSCO's 1900 MW Schahfer plant were built in the mid 1980s, and the utility's analysis found that keeping them on the system would be more expensive than replacing them with new wind, solar and batteries.

NIPSCO's current preferred resource plan — Scenario 6 below — would see it retire all four units of the Schahfer plant in 2023 and the last coal unit at its Michigan City plant in 2028."

https://www.utilitydive.com/news/ev...are-cheaper-than-existing-coal-plants/540242/
 
Into the Night said:
That grid DOES run on renewables.

Hydroelectric power is renewable energy.
Oil is renewable energy.
Methane is renewable energy.
Nuclear is not.
Coal we don't know.
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I guess in a since you maybe right everything is renewable except nuclear. But lets just focus on what our government has classified as renewable. Oil, Coal, Nuclear, Natural Gas, Large Hydro are not considered renewable.
 
Into the Night said:
Not the car maker's fault. It's the owner's fault. They are the ones charging their cars from the grid.

Personally, I have no problem with electric cars, other than the limited range and refueling time required.
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Its not just an idea its an idea with an intent. The intent being to reduce our dependence on fossil fuel resources with a growing population. It doesn't make much since to regulate power generation companies but not vehicles.
 
Bergslagstroll said:
I'm not an engineer but it's clear that you are seeing a transition away from fossil fuels and investments in renewables all across the world. That even Republicans on a local level are starting to see the benefits of renewable energy.

"Republicans from Texas to Iowa regularly extoll the virtues of renewables like wind and solar power, and for good reason. Rural Republican districts are often the locations with the best solar and wind resources, and when those resources are harnessed they bring good jobs to places where new sources of employment are often otherwise scarce. In fact, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics’ #1 and #2 fastest growing jobs in the U.S. are solar panel installers and wind turbine technicians. These jobs are good, solid middle class jobs with annual salaries pushing close to six-figures. Beyond construction, the plants (particularly wind farms, with their many moving parts) offer good jobs in the long term."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshua...n-leaders-love-renewable-energy/#19e1ae563da7

While half of new cars in Norway was electric or hybrid and the goal is also that all cars should be zero emission by 2025. There Norway also have a right wing government.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ar-sales-now-electric-or-hybrid-idUSKBN1ES0WC

In Sweden you have road trials with electric roads.

https://www.thelocal.se/20180413/worlds-first-electric-road-opens-in-sweden
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Renewable energy technology has really been coming along way and think its fantastic. The problems I have are with reliability of the utility and government laws and regulations, on those two topics is which the debates are had.
 
Into the Night said:
Personally, I have no problem with electric cars, other than the limited range and refueling time required.
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Yup, those are the two biggest things for me. Well, and the government subsidies financially supporting many "Church of Green" causes...

I still like my discussion with PowerRob from another thread in which I mentioned how gasoline vehicles take 1-2 minutes to fill up and criticized long recharging times for EVs, so he responded by providing this link https://newatlas.com/abb-350kw-fast-charger/54377/ with the headline "World’s fastest EV charger gives drivers 120 miles in 8 minutes".

He didn't even bother to read the link past the headline, where it mentions that EVs cannot handle it and don't make use of it. I also pointed out that, even IF EVs could one day handle it, that it would only give you like 3/8's of the range and still take 8 times longer to refuel... It's just not convenient for a sizable number of people... It's just not going to work for truckers and for rural people with large pickup trucks and the sort, or for people who travel a lot.
 
Bergslagstroll said:
I'm not an engineer but it's clear that you are seeing a transition away from fossil fuels and investments in renewables all across the world. That even Republicans on a local level are starting to see the benefits of renewable energy... removed links and other BS...
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Many "fossil fuels" (we don't use fossils for fuel) are actually quite renewable...

Oil is renewable, as is methane. Coal may or may not be renewable...

So, you're not really transitioning TO renewable fuels, as we already make use of renewable fuels, but you're simply attempting to transition to DIFFERENT renewable fuels.
 
jdog21 said:
I guess in a since you maybe right everything is renewable except nuclear. But lets just focus on what our government has classified as renewable. Oil, Coal, Nuclear, Natural Gas, Large Hydro are not considered renewable.
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Our government is following the Marxist agenda of the Church of Green and the Church of Global Warming/Global Cooling/Climate Change/WhateverBullWeNeedToFeedYouForYouToSuccumbToOurBuzzwordReligion
 
Bergslagstroll said:
Replacing coal with renewables is the cheapest option in Indiana.

"NIPSCO's upcoming IRP is more evidence that coal generation is steadily declining in the U.S. despite efforts from the Trump administration to save it.

In Indiana, as elsewhere, the issue is economics. The youngest generating units at NIPSCO's 1900 MW Schahfer plant were built in the mid 1980s, and the utility's analysis found that keeping them on the system would be more expensive than replacing them with new wind, solar and batteries.

NIPSCO's current preferred resource plan — Scenario 6 below — would see it retire all four units of the Schahfer plant in 2023 and the last coal unit at its Michigan City plant in 2028."

https://www.utilitydive.com/news/ev...are-cheaper-than-existing-coal-plants/540242/
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Seeking higher rates.
 
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