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Death projections are down from 90k to 80k now to 60k

ecofarm said:
There's 13k dead total today. Yesterday, 2k died. By Easter, we'll be over 20k. By the end of the month, pushing 50k.
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That's only if the death rate stays the same?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I did not get your post very well either.

Trump leads a rebellion against the entire failed leadership of this nation....the leadership has failed in total.....and we are in big moterh****ing trouble....thats my point.
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Trump leads a rebellion against the entire failed leadership of this nation.
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Didn't Trump admit he was an insider?(LOL)
 
swing_voter said:
The experts didn't think we'd do the social distancing thing, but we have.
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:thumbs:

It wasn't pretty, it wasn't perfect. But for the most part, it's looking pretty successful. Now, let's not fudge it up!
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I did not get your post very well either.

Trump leads a rebellion against the entire failed leadership of this nation....the leadership has failed in total.....and we are in big moterh****ing trouble....thats my point.
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I voted for Hillary. I hated Trump passionately for the first year or so. Then I made a point to try to better understand his positions and his support. Once I exposed myself to more thoughtful conservative voices, I realized that my actual world-view was closer to theirs than the liberal voices around me.

I've almost fully come around on Trump at this point. He's still a giant ass.
 
Mach said:
No, it’s not.

Remember in your scenario, lives saved as a result of that spending, is the number of lives lost with no shutdown, minus the total lives lost with the 2++trillion spending.

Likely hundreds of thousands if not millions according to models.
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That assumes that the only choices we have are 1) do exactly what we did or 2) do nothing at all. That is great "logic" for use by those who favor the #1 choice, but forces all others into allegedly having made the #2 choice.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Yep, COVID-19 is a deadly pandemic.
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Your claim was stupid and ignorant. Every model has millions dying if we did nothing.

You try to claim we saved 10k.
 
Phys251 said:
Nice dodge and false questions. :thumbs:

Now answer mine first. :)
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Not a dodge at all. My point is simple: Your favored policies will costs lives. Does that make you a monster?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Looked at another way, it cost $2.2T (so far) to (allegedly) save 10K to 60K lives.
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And, had we an adequate supply of test kits, PPE, and ventilators, we could have taken a more strategic approach to the pandemic.

Looking at it another way, Trump's stupidity and incompetence cost us some amount between 0 and $2.2T.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
I voted for Hillary. I hated Trump passionately for the first year or so. Then I made a point to try to better understand his positions and his support. Once I exposed myself to more thoughtful conservative voices, I realized that my actual world-view was closer to theirs than the liberal voices around me.

I've almost fully come around on Trump at this point. He's still a giant ass.
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With your "conversion", America can now be saved(Not)
 
prometeus said:
I haven't said anything to the contrary.

Then my post went way over your head.
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It seems to me your point was that questioning the official narrative on social distancing is akin to wanting folks to die. Is that not what you believe?
 
W_Heisenberg said:
And, had we an adequate supply of test kits, PPE, and ventilators, we could have taken a more strategic approach to the pandemic.

Looking at it another way, Trump's stupidity and incompetence cost us some amount between 0 and $2.2T.
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And, had we an adequate supply of test kits, PPE, and ventilators, we could have taken a more strategic approach to the pandemic.
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Should the Governor of NY have any responsibility for that?
 
GhostlyJoe said:
I voted for Hillary. I hated Trump passionately for the first year or so. Then I made a point to try to better understand his positions and his support. Once I exposed myself to more thoughtful conservative voices, I realized that my actual world-view was closer to theirs than the liberal voices around me.

I've almost fully come around on Trump at this point. He's still a giant ass.
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What a pathetic lie. Trump has one draw - bigotry.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Trump leads a rebellion against the entire failed leadership of this nation...
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And all rebellions lead by incompetent idiots have failed resulting in even worse situations.

the leadership has failed in total...
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Yes it has.

..and we are in big moterh****ing trouble...
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And getting worse.

...thats my point.
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Do not delude yourself, you had no point.
 
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GhostlyJoe said:
Not a dodge at all. My point is simple: Your favored policies will costs lives. Does that make you a monster?
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I asked the following question, and not to you:

Phys251 said:
Should we have sacrificed these people to the god of capitalism?
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And you responded to it with stupid questions instead of answering it. That is a dodge. :)

When you dodge questions like that, it implies that you are afraid of the answer. So, here's your chance to disprove me. I will give you exactly one chance to.
 
ecofarm said:
Your claim was stupid and ignorant. Every model has millions dying if we did nothing.

You try to claim we saved 10k.
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Every model has been demonstrably proven wrong by a huge margin, but I'm not surprised you continue to believe the completely bogus information. Leftists are legendary for their propensity for self-delusion.
 
Luther said:
With your "conversion", America can now be saved(Not)
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It's not just Trump. There's a lot of personal experiences mixed in that made me question some of my political assumptions. I know you're just being snarky here, but understand that, since moving to a bigger city and joining a union for the first time in my professional life, I've had some of my assumptions challenged.
 
Luther said:
That's only if the death rate stays the same?
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That's this month based on the graph of deaths. No rate of anything involved. No measure of cases whatsoever. Hard deaths with Covid19 on their death certificate. 2k yesterday alone.
 
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Luther said:
Yeah, you should have seen everyone I saw at a popular hiking destination(LOL)
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As long as they're keeping adequate separation, and not sharing touch points, they probably are not that high of a risk. They're not acting ideally, but they're not as acting as egregiously as if they were hiking around the streets of NYC or Chicago!

But that being said, I wouldn't do it for now.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
It seems to me your point was that questioning the official narrative on social distancing is akin to wanting folks to die. Is that not what you believe?
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Questioning is important on any and all matters. If done with honest intentions it can lead to validation or a need to change.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
It's not just Trump. There's a lot of personal experiences mixed in that made me question some of my political assumptions. I know you're just being snarky here, but understand that, since moving to a bigger city and joining a union for the first time in my professional life, I've had some of my assumptions challenged.
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Well , good luck to you
 
Chomsky said:
Uh, uh, uh. Your predicted numbers take into account the current mitigation in effect. The numbers you're looking for would be the unmitigated predictions, including correcting for the higher mortality rate reflecting an over-run healthcare system.
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Nope, that assumes that the only two choices available were do exactly what we did or to have done nothing at all. That sort of "logic" is often used to "defend" crap like the GND - pass it in total immediately or many, many millions will surely die.
 
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