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Hydroxychloroquine rated most effective COVID-19 treatment.

The cult's last, desperate, hope for self worth is that Trump had a lucky self-serving guess.
 
dcsports said:
I would not expect it to do so. It's not like a flu shot, which kicks in your body's defenses to help prevent the flu. It's closer to Tamiflu. It decreases the viral load (hopefully) to decrease the virus's impact. It's only a miracle in the sense that it may keep the sickest people from getting sicker. If you can keep sick people out of the ICU, or the sickest off of the ventilator (or dying), it will have a tremendous impact. This becomes more of a bad flu equation, and we can racket back the lockdown.
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Fascinating you can get this level of detail from a couple poor uncontrolled trials which literally didn’t use any of this info you ‘have’ as endpoints.

You have an active imagination.
 
Threegoofs said:
So. Much. Winning
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and the left cheers pandemic. Sorry....Trump has built more temporary hospital beds than needed. We know how this pains the left. Remember when Obama couldn't figure out how to get gas into NY after one hurricane.
 
At yesterday's pressser, Trump would not let Dr. Fauci answer a question about the safety and/or efficacy of these anti-malarial drugs. What's the problem?
 
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AlphaOmega said:
and the left cheers pandemic. Sorry....Trump has built more temporary hospital beds than needed. We know how this pains the left. Remember when Obama couldn't figure out how to get gas into NY after one hurricane.
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LOL.

Trump hasn’t built anything. Governors have.

But love the Obama whine. So. Much Winning.
 
Threegoofs said:
Fascinating you can get this level of detail from a couple poor uncontrolled trials which literally didn’t use any of this info you ‘have’ as endpoints.

You have an active imagination.
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So, is there a reason for the snarky reply? It's not helpful for this discussion.

There are more than a few trials with this medication, and they've had very positive results. That's what we're discussing.
 
dcsports said:
So, is there a reason for the snarky reply? It's not helpful for this discussion.

There are more than a few trials with this medication, and they've had very positive results. That's what we're discussing.
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What’s really unhelpful is making up fantasies and presenting them as fact.

And the small trials using this drug have had mixed results at best, especially the ones that have no control group, which is crucial to evaluate effectiveness here.
 
AlphaOmega said:
Not at all. I'm watching you have nothing. If orange man is bad who is making you watch him? It's hate isn't it? Yea thats it.
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Sorry pal, what it is is an unbelievably pathetic performance on the part of this president time and time again. Why you would carry his water is the question?
 
Threegoofs said:
What’s really unhelpful is making up fantasies and presenting them as fact.

And the small trials using this drug have had mixed results at best, especially the ones that have no control group, which is crucial to evaluate effectiveness here.
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Then don't make up fantasies and present them as fact. At the same time, you should read the posts a little more closely.

Re-read my post. Note that I didn't present anything as absolute fact. I said (1) it's unlikely the medication, as an anti-viral, would do anything to prevent the disease, and (2) the hope is that decreasing the viral load, the sickest patients won't get as sick, or die. Which part are you challenging?

Note that I did not say this was a cure-all - quite the opposite. It does, however, show a lot of promise in early trials across countries, and South Korea has reported good results.
 
dcsports said:
Then don't make up fantasies and present them as fact. At the same time, you should read the posts a little more closely.

Re-read my post. Note that I didn't present anything as absolute fact. I said (1) it's unlikely the medication, as an anti-viral, would do anything to prevent the disease, and (2) the hope is that decreasing the viral load, the sickest patients won't get as sick, or die. Which part are you challenging?

Note that I did not say this was a cure-all - quite the opposite. It does, however, show a lot of promise in early trials across countries, and South Korea has reported good results.
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Where is that South Korean data published?
 
Threegoofs said:
Where is that South Korean data published?
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I'm going based on news reports on the topics. Not going to dig into the specific studies. That sounds like a good question for you to google.

Deflection aside, again, what part of MY post are you taking issue with?
 
dcsports said:
I'm going based on news reports on the topics. Not going to dig into the specific studies. That sounds like a good question for you to google.

Deflection aside, again, what part of MY post are you taking issue with?
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It’s not published.

It’s anecdote.

And anecdote tends to be wrong in medicine. A lot.


The problem with your post?

You said this is good for keeping patients out of the ICU. No data on that that I know of. It showed association with making people negative for the virus in a really bad French study, it showed the opposite in a smaller, better controlled French study tho.

There’s a Chinese study that’s not peer reviewed that is suggestive, but it only uses radiological improvement as an endpoint, which is a long, long way to assuming it keeps people out of the ICU, or shortens their stay.
 
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Threegoofs said:
It’s not published.

It’s anecdote.

And anecdote tends to be wrong in medicine. A lot.
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OK - you should google the basis for it then. Bring it up, and start a thread on that.

I'm not going to ask what you found incorrect with my post a third time. Assuming you were just in the mood to be argumentative. Focusing on what was said will do a lot more to move the discussion forward.
 
dcsports said:
OK - you should google the basis for it then. Bring it up, and start a thread on that.

I'm not going to ask what you found incorrect with my post a third time. Assuming you were just in the mood to be argumentative. Focusing on what was said will do a lot more to move the discussion forward.
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JacksinPA said:
At yesterday's pressser, Trump would not let Dr. Fauci answer a question about the safety and/or efficacy of these anti-malarial drugs. What's the problem?
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There was a public health expert on MSNBC this AM who said that the unproven drug HC should only be given to severely ill patients with pneumonia & not be handed out en masse like Tylenol.

Seeing Trump's ardor in pushing this drug, I would not be surprised if the producers, like Novartis, aren't big campaign contributors.
 
JacksinPA said:
There was a public health expert on MSNBC this AM who said that the unproven drug HC should only be given to severely ill patients with pneumonia & not be handed out en masse like Tylenol.

Seeing Trump's ardor in pushing this drug, I would not be surprised if the producers, like Novartis, aren't big campaign contributors.
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Remember, Michael Cohen got $1MM+ from Novartis to get a line on Trump. The Novartis CEO also met privately with Trump at Davis this year.

However, I doubt if this is related to HCQ. The drug is pretty low margin, and Novartis (Sandoz, it’s generic house) is giving away hundreds of millions of doses.
 
j brown's body said:
Seems more like you guys are desperate for Trump to be right about something, which is kind of understandable. This medicine might work and doctors may try it, but they were aware of these things before Dear Leader brought it up.
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No, desperate at all, he's been right about all the liberal attacks/hoaxes/etc...

Yeah, I mean, what's he doing bringing that up at a press conference? Right? American people don't want to know about that. Duh!

Remember when all the libs were complaining about not enough press conferences? LOL! Now, they are trying to boycott them, during a crisis. Just incredible.
We know what's really going on. Trump's ratings are going up, he is in charge and showing that he is the man for the job, All the libs have are videos of Biden fumbling aroung like Mr. Magoo.

They don't care about getting info out to America, their main concern is not to let American see what a great job Trump and his team are doing. So, they put on their dopey hosts that are instructed to push the propaganda. What a bunch of losers.

Jeez, you libs have absolutely zero credibility, so transparent.
 
Threegoofs said:
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So, you STILL haven't read my post. Again, you are being argumentative, and I'm done with that. Let me know if you want to have a discussion on the issue.

I said:

I would not expect it to do so. {prevent someone from getting COVID-19} It's not like a flu shot, which kicks in your body's defenses to help prevent the flu. It's closer to Tamiflu. It decreases the viral load (hopefully) to decrease the virus's impact. It's only a miracle in the sense that it may keep the sickest people from getting sicker. If you can keep sick people out of the ICU, or the sickest off of the ventilator (or dying), it will have a tremendous impact. This becomes more of a bad flu equation, and we can racket back the lockdown.
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You said,
You said this is good for keeping patients out of the ICU.
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If you'll note, I didn't make the claim you stated. I said it MAY keep the sickest people from getting sicker, and IF you can keep sick people out of the ICU, or the sickest off the ventilator, it will have a tremendous impact. I'm well aware that they are still studying the drug (along with other antivirals).
 
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dave8383 said:
Sorry pal, what it is is an unbelievably pathetic performance on the part of this president time and time again. Why you would carry his water is the question?
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Pathetic performance? What part was not up to your standards?
 
MTAtech said:
Was there a control sample?
A friend sent an email to me linking a NYPost article that said 81% of people taking Hydroxychloroquine get better.
According to data from New York, 76% of people admitted to hospitals with COVID-19 get better too, without Hydroxychloroquine.

Saying, aunt Mary took Hydroxychloroquine and was cured of COVID-19 and therefore it's proof that Hydroxychloroquine cured COVID-19, is anecdotal and not evidence.
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You mean NYC where almost anyone dying of almost anything is counted as a Corona death.... I'll pass.
 
Kreton said:
This is just getting ****ing stupid.

37% of doctors said it was the most useful. When only 37% of doctors find it useful it isn't very good. 63% of doctors didn't agree. Almost 2 out of every 3. These are not impressive numbers.

When someone says "this is the most effective thing we have right now" that doesn't mean it is working, will work or is the answer. These are doctors looking for anything to try to save lives, they are having hospitals piling up with dying people begging for help. And you want to pretend that 1/3rd of doctors saying it is the best we have right now is some sort of answer? It is ****ing absurd that the amount of **** people are going through over this virus and the only thing some of you assholes seem concerned with is making Trump look like right a few weeks ago. ****ing get over your mango love affair. The real scientists and doctors aren't out celebrating your bull**** theories and trying to find ways to score political points. People are dying. People are hurting. People are losing their ability to support their families and themselves. And you are touting nuff said like you've found a solution.
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Learn to read. The poll is a competition of 3 similar Drugs. No one is saying it doesn't work.
 
Mach said:
They want to believe it.
They find “someone” who said it.
They run with it and waive the quote...see, people agree!!

It’s very scary. They did this with Ukraine too. Marie is bad news...see? This corrupt criminal that hates her...said so. Go with that Rudy.
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See #348
 
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