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Thousands of new cases of coronavirus in US

tacomancer said:
Yes, epidemics tend to start in places with more economic activity, international trade, ports, and cities. Thank you for pointing out the obvious.

In countries where the curve is bending best tend to have had a centralized response. Look at S. Korea and other EMEA locations for good examples.
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Why are states with democrat governors so unprepared for dealing with the pandemic?
 
cabse5 said:
This was the common sense the scientists never displayed. Scientists treated coronavirus like it was the mother of all pandemics without any proof of it being the mother of all pandemics. I know the pandemic is new and NOBODY has any experience with this or with the rollout of it from China but scientists are extraordinarily cautious, IMO, for what reason?
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Medical professionals responded fairly well to the emerging crisis, just like most politicians and government officials did. I think too many Americans erroneously think somebody should be blamed for the disaster, which is kind of stupid.
 
Casper said:
Which means the government, State and Local need to start enforcement of the rules. Never forget many have an attitude that they won't get it and if they do it will very mild, they may find out differently the hard copy of the way. Keep on waiting for the Governor to shutdown the major city/counties where it is worst, or follow the example of other States and shut down their State. You are witnessing history in the making, something you can tell your grandkids one day
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"Gather around, kiddos. Let me tell you about the legend of the coronavirus...."
 
Casper said:
Don't interrupt them when they are ranting, they have to get it out, blood pressure needs to vent.
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Yes, amazingly difficult when there are 164,785 cases and 67,000 of them are in NY. Didn't realize how much higher the population of NY was compared to say TX
 
marke said:
Why are states with democrat governors so unprepared for dealing with the pandemic?
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Same reason States with Repulican Governor's are not prepared. The virus does not care if you are a Republican, Democrat, Black, White, Brown, Red, or Yellow, or if you are Christian, Jew, Muslim or Athiest. It is an equal opportunity virus that enjoys living in all People.
 
TheGoverness said:
We also have not tested very much in red states. Here in gool ol' Texas, we've barely tested, but it's for sure spreading everywhere. It's even gotten up to my college's county.
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For Red Raiders there are 3 reported cases of virus infection in Lubbock so far.
 
TheGoverness said:
"Gather around, kiddos. Let me tell you about the legend of the coronavirus...."
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Maybe, or they may just ask, by then you may have lots of interesting stories to tell, you have a long way to go. By the way you will get there a lot faster than you think. Enjoy the ride and be safe.
 
marke said:
As testing becomes more widely available, the number of those infected continues to rise rapidly. But what is the real story here that is under-reported? That as numbers of those infected skyrockets the number of those dying is not skyrocketing. There is one major takeaway from the numbers. The percentage of those infected from the disease who die from the disease is falling. We are now looking at the real possibility that maybe less than 1% of those infected with the virus end up dying from the virus. That seems to support the notion that panicking over the virus is totally out of order.
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Don't worry, most who come down with it don't need to go to the Hospital
 
Casper said:
Which means the government, State and Local need to start enforcement of the rules. Never forget many have an attitude that they won't get it and if they do it will very mild, they may find out differently the hard copy of the way. Keep on waiting for the Governor to shutdown the major city/counties where it is worst, or follow the example of other States and shut down their State. You are witnessing history in the making, something you can tell your grandkids one day
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North Carolinians are now under orders from the governor to stay at home and for businesses to close, except for essential businesses like the liquor store. As I was driving to work today to my essential business (which is not a liquor store) I noticed the roads were slightly less crowded, but not by much. I guess most North Carolinians where I live have essential businesses to tend to like I do.
 
TheGoverness said:
"Gather around, kiddos. Let me tell you about the legend of the coronavirus...."
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And, as the tale continues:

Back in the dark ages, when we used to have a free society under a president who was not a dictator, our country experienced another virus outbreak which our glorious communist forefathers were able to expertly use to destroy capitalism and freedom in America and replace it with glorious brutal communist rule under a glorious communist dictator of the glorious democrat party.
 
Casper said:
Same reason States with Repulican Governor's are not prepared. The virus does not care if you are a Republican, Democrat, Black, White, Brown, Red, or Yellow, or if you are Christian, Jew, Muslim or Athiest. It is an equal opportunity virus that enjoys living in all People.
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Good point. The virus is not political at all, even if corrupt politically motivated zealots try to turn it into some sort of blame game to stupidly and dishonestly undermine their political opponents.
 
jmotivator said:
Those who suffer long term lung damage are those who develop the most serious symptoms. I don't think there is much chance of asymptomatic or mild cases ended up with lung damage. The worst of the severe cases result in the lung tissue releasing cytokines that in turn signal inflammatory damage in other organs. This is the case with a lot of severe illnesses and severe tissue damage.

But that doesn't happen if your body successfully fights off the illness in its mild stages.
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That make sense. But for those who did have serious symptoms I would be curious to know the percentage with long term damage from it.

I even wonder if those with mild symptoms do not have some residual respiratory function decrease. Am not finding any data on that.

Naturally there is this debate on the number of deaths compared to a wide host of other illnesses. But has been little discussion of those survivors with life remaining problems.
 
Luther said:
Don't worry, most who come down with it don't need to go to the Hospital
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We are finding thousands who are infected with the virus who did not even know it. One doctor suggested that if the truth were known we would discover that possibly half the people in the country have it or will get it and yet still only thousands will likely die from it, much like the common flu.
 
Casper said:
Same reason States with Repulican Governor's are not prepared. The virus does not care if you are a Republican, Democrat, Black, White, Brown, Red, or Yellow, or if you are Christian, Jew, Muslim or Athiest. It is an equal opportunity virus that enjoys living in all People.
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That is very true, however how do you explain NY having 67,000 of the 165,000 cases in the country. Seems disproportionate at the least
 
Crosscheck said:
That make sense. But for those who did have serious symptoms I would be curious to know the percentage with long term damage from it.

I even wonder if those with mild symptoms do not have some residual respiratory function decrease. Am not finding any data on that.

Naturally there is this debate on the number of deaths compared to a wide host of other illnesses. But has been little discussion of those survivors with life remaining problems.
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Diseases, including STDs, kill tens of thousands of Americans and many leave lasting damage in those who contracted the disease and yet lived.
 
marke said:
We are finding thousands who are infected with the virus who did not even know it. One doctor suggested that if the truth were known we would discover that possibly half the people in the country have it or will get it and yet still only thousands will likely die from it, much like the common flu.
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So for about every 1000 who get it, 1 or 2 people can die?

That's what I heard
 
marke said:
As testing becomes more widely available, the number of those infected continues to rise rapidly. But what is the real story here that is under-reported? That as numbers of those infected skyrockets the number of those dying is not skyrocketing. There is one major takeaway from the numbers. The percentage of those infected from the disease who die from the disease is falling. We are now looking at the real possibility that maybe less than 1% of those infected with the virus end up dying from the virus. That seems to support the notion that panicking over the virus is totally out of order.
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Deaths follow cases by 10-20 days. I read today the mean time interval between infection and death is 20 days. So look back 20 days ago to see what's coming with mortality. Steps taken NOW to reduce transmission will show up in reduced deaths weeks from now. We see that in Italy. It took a couple weeks after lockdown for the rate of increase in deaths to slow.

The fairly straight line below is a bad sign. If the trends don't change, we'll hit 10,000 deaths by the weekend, and 100,000 deaths 10-12 days after that, then 1 million 10-12 days after that, etc. Thankfully, the cases appear to be growing but at a slower rate....

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tacomancer said:
on this forum even
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I have 11 family members/extended family members/in-laws that didn't take it serious and now just group text the rest of us blaming this on everyone but Trump. I literally have 5 group texts on mute.

They're all avid Fox News consumers.


And that doesn't even count any of my wife's cousins and aunts and uncles in the deep South.


I don't argue with any of them. Not a single one. I'm almost 60 and realize that they are all lost causes. Just think of the worst Trump supporters here and that's who they are.

Never did I imagine some of my own family would turn into a bunch of Donald Trump hard headed propagandists. And every single one of the 11 are consistent church attendees.
 
poweRob said:
So dense population areas spread faster than less dense population areas. It's so amazingly difficult for you to understand. But alas you are on a mission of blame so playing ignorant on the obvious suits your mission.
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But that tactic does work.
 
So, have any of you Trump supporters figured out yet what respiratory and health problems this virus will cause your own kids in the years and decades to come?
 
Luther said:
So for about every 1000 who get it, 1 or 2 people can die?

That's what I heard
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It does appear as data continues to be gathered that the number of those infected who will die may be lower than 1%. Early numbers which accounted only for those infected who were found to be infected because they checked themselves into a hospital showed a large percentage of them dying, possibly 50% or more. If only those infected who have gotten really sick already are included in the number, instead of all those infected who have not gotten really sick and who will not get really sick, then the number of those who die who have reached that stage of sickness will be substantially higher.
 
cabse5 said:
Coronavirus is also not the mother of all pandemics as scientists and many people are treating it and social distancing of any kind doesn't protect anyone from coronavirus exposure.
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Can you cite your source for this statement. I am very curious about where experts like you get their information. It is interesting that even as social distancing is shown to improve conditions in country after country, you cite experts who know otherwise.

My mistake, you did note cite anyone.
I am sure it will be someone with expertise though.
Rush Limbaugh perhaps.
 
I'm always checking this video that's updating cases, deaths and recoveries in all countries. US just bumped up by 8,000+ cases, almost 200 deaths and over 200 recovered just a few seconds ago:



Austria surpassed South Korea in cases this morning.
 
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marke said:
Medical professionals responded fairly well to the emerging crisis, just like most politicians and government officials did. I think too many Americans erroneously think somebody should be blamed for the disaster, which is kind of stupid.
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The 'solving' of the disaster has been stupid.
 
rjay said:
Can you cite your source for this statement. I am very curious about where experts like you get their information. It is interesting that even as social distancing is shown to improve conditions in country after country, you cite experts who know otherwise.

My mistake, you did note cite anyone.
I am sure it will be someone with expertise though.
Rush Limbaugh perhaps.
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There are no applicable models (or links). Heck, if I were to cite scientists, that would be useless...There are no applicable models to project this thing. I use common sense. If those most at risk to coronavirus and those who come in contact with those most at risk are properly quarantined and set apart from everyone else, less deaths would occur than with a stringent social distancing because, unlike a quarantine, social distancing doesn't differentiate between risky and non-risky groups, for example. Also, a quarantine wouldn't take as long as any social distancing to eradicate the violent tendencies of the virus, vaccine withstanding.
 
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