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[W:386]The President Is Trapped

nota bene said:
Ah, yes. Stating a fact is "indefensible." Too bad you're another person who mistakenly thinks that not participating in daily two-minute hates is somehow a defense of Trump. It's not. I don't think much of Trump. But I think even less of poor sports, sore losers, whiners and titty-babies and their stupid attacks on him.
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Calling people who are critical of Trump sore losers, and stating that Trump is president no matter how we feel is another reason to think you’re trying to rub something in our faces. Did you feel this sorry for Obama when Trump led the birther movement against him? Did you feel this sorry for Obama when people called him a Kenyan Marxist and terrorist?
 
JMR said:
Really, you need to get over yourself just a bit.

You defend Trump constantly, and describe all that disagree with you as "haters."

It is odd that you think "your presence" on the debate forum has much to do with whether others participate or not. I'm not the member of any mob, I happened by some crazy statements of yours. Take ownership of them! If you would like to just post your opinions with no push back from anyone, mobs or scary people, or whoever it is you imagine are aggrieved by your opinions you should probably find another avenue to do so.

I can't imagine why you think I am intimidating you. I posted simple questions to your statements. Don't play victim...it's not becoming.
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She must be easily intimidated :lol:
 
SheWolf said:
Nota would say Lursa is full of seething hate.
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I would agree, except the Governors are Democrats, so Trump's enmity is fully justified. It's the rule of the opposite thing.
 
JMR said:
Really, you need to get over yourself just a bit.

You defend Trump constantly, and describe all that disagree with you as "haters."

It is odd that you think "your presence" on the debate forum has much to do with whether others participate or not. I'm not the member of any mob, I happened by some crazy statements of yours. Take ownership of them! If you would like to just post your opinions with no push back from anyone, mobs or scary people, or whoever it is you imagine are aggrieved by your opinions you should probably find another avenue to do so.

I can't imagine why you think I am intimidating you. I posted simple questions to your statements. Don't play victim...it's not becoming.
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No, I don't need to get over myself at all.
You don't intimidate me hence why I said I won't be intimidated by you.
It's you who ought to take ownership for victimhood. You're the one who doesn't like my posts even when I said, I will not apologize for authoring.
I have always generalized when calling anti-Trumps hateful.

If you are annoyed by my posts generalizing a group of anti-Trumps, then keep up with the mob who personally call out others to their face on this thread, like you have done, Trump cultists.

And don't pull that crap on me where you think I cannot take push back from anyone because that's a big lie, and I think you know that.
Attack the post and personally stop attacking the individual for their opinions.
 
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JMR said:
That Cook article was very interesting. You chose to highlight the statement of "Blizzard" who is part of the Republican polling process. There were statements that diverged from his opinion. All in all, a nice article.
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I agree with your assessment. Cook usually does a pretty good job of analysis. The preceding paragraph in the article comports best with my personal experience:
One GOP pollster I spoke with this week argues that we should think of this not as a 'rally' around Trump, but to see it as more about latitude. That is, voters who aren't normally fans of the president (Democrats and many independents), are currently giving the president some 'latitude' to navigate this unprecedented crisis. However, there's no evidence in the data, said this person, that they are turning into Trump voters.
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Although it has been a very long time since I've been in that arena, I have studied similar circumstances in history. Part of it is simple psychology: In times of stress, people want to have confidence in their leaders so they project their hopes onto those leaders. The corollary, however, is that when those hopes are dashed, the rejection of those leaders is profound.
 
JMR said:
That Cook article was very interesting. You chose to highlight the statement of "Blizzard" who is part of the Republican polling process. There were statements that diverged from his opinion. All in all, a nice article.
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Glad you liked it.
It's not his opinion that Trump is gaining Independents. Gallup polls showed it too.
 
trixare4kids said:
No, I don't need to get over myself at all.
You don't intimidate me hence why I said I won't be intimidated by you.
It's you who ought to take ownership for victimhood. You're the one who doesn't like my posts even when I said, I will not apologize for authoring.
I have always generalized when calling anti-Trumps hateful.

If you are annoyed by my posts generalizing a group of anti-Trumps, then keep up with the mob who personally call out others to their face on this thread, like you have done, Trump cultists.

And don't pull that crap on me where you think I cannot take push back from anyone because that's a big lie, and I think you know that.
Attack the post and personally stop attacking the individual for their opinions.
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The other poster isn’t attacking you. You’re being super sensitive.
 
nota bene said:
Oh, I can't comprehend? How very snide of you. But no worries; I don't expect a rational discussion. I don't think a discussion of his personality is particularly fruitful either. It's not partisan at all to complain about the never-freaking-ending parade of childish threads, the daily two-minute hates, about his sad spray-on tan or how many scoops of ice cream he eats, and etc.

But here is a fact for you to deal with: Whether you like his personality or tan or not, he IS the President and will continue to be until at least next January. In the meantime, the nation is scared and needs reassurances, and this is one of the jobs of any President. Just FYI.
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As to the bolded (mine), I don't disagree. However, when Trump was asked that very question about what he would say to citizens who are scared and need reassurance, a question that nearly every governor has also been asked during televised interviews, Trump's response was to call the journalist a "terrible reporter" for asking such a "nasty question."

How can you now criticize people who saw that crap and say that Trump is displaying complete lack of empathy and competence when it comes to doing what you've already conceded is a president's job, reassuring a frightened public during a time of crisis?
 
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Bok_Tukalo said:
We will just have to disagree on Reagan.
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No problem. At least we are disagreeing respectfully.

But I will relay that my father (now deceased) used to joke that Reagan only liked labor unions if they were in Poland.
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I can only speak from living through that time period. I was a young man in the work force. Reagan inherited a mess from Former President Jimmy Carter. Carter was a very decent and moral man, just in way over his head. What he turned over to Reagan was double digit inflation, double digit interest rates, and double digit unemployment. Reagan brought all of that down to single digits and significant economic growth. As for the labor unions, at the time, they were very much out of control. The US auto industry was at least as far as quality control goes, in shambles. And the big three automakers were forced to pay ridiculously high wages....for instance in many cases, $35.00 an hour for assembly line jobs that a chimpanzee could be trained to do. And the labor union leadership would often set up strikes for little other then to flex their muscles.
 
haymarket said:
Well done young pupil... you get an A. :2wave:
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As long as it's an "A" for sarcasm. You know I hold your stance on those issues in very little regard.
 
ObamacareFail said:
As long as it's an "A" for sarcasm. You know I hold your stance on those issues in very little regard.
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I was being kind .
The FOX poll today showing Biden by 25 points in swing counties show that Trump is done for.
 
trixare4kids said:
I used to post on another forum. You should have heard me rant about Trump but during the last couple of weeks of his campaign,
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Same here. I was a Ted Cruz support and did not care for how Trump treated other GOP candidates. I did not take him seriously until the debates. I think that is when he won many of us over who were sitting on the fence after the convention. Not only did he make me believe he would follow through on the issues he campaigned on, he showed the willingness and ability to fight the Washington DC establishment and media rather then just sitting back and taking it like establishment republicans have done.


I began to see we were basically stuck between a rock, an extremely entitled wife of a former president call half his base, a basket of irredeemable deplorables and a hard place, a braggadocios overly self-assured tv reality star campaign on policies I've supported for years. Never thought he'd get elected, and shocked when he did, but IMO, and though I couldn't bring myself to vote for him before, ... he's earned my vote for 2020.
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Yes....I imagine Hillary lost a significant number of votes in states she needed to win with that "deplorables" statement. When running for president, it is not intelligent to openly insult those who support your opposition. She should have been attempting to win over as many of them as she could. Trump won those blue firewall states primarily by winning over a significant number of democrats who had previously voted for Obama.

If it ain't broken, why fix it?
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Agreed. I certainly have no plans on voting for a democrat nominee promising to undo as much of Trump's policies as possible.


Biden is incompetent due to his senility.
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Tru. I have doubts that he will survive all the way through the democrat convention on the top of the ticket.
 
trixare4kids said:
You know what they say about opinions? They aren't facts, or any semblance of the universal truth.

Here's reality. According to very recent Gallup Poll, 60% of Americans approve of Trump's handling of this crisis.
You know what's even more telling? 25% of Democrats agree as well as a great number of Independents with the way the president has been handling the crisis.
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The remaining 75% of democrats are reduced to the role of "partisan ankle biters".
 
NWRatCon said:
My friend, you have lost all credibility with regard to this claim. First, of course, you assume that hatred of Trump is somehow irrational. That's a false premise. He has earned enmity from the moment he took office. Second, you make a claim without substance. "those who hate him are unwilling, even grudgingly, to credit him for anything. Ever." That is some of the whiniest "stuff" I've read. EVER. ;) Which gets to the last point: what has he done to get credit for? I am a fair-minded individual. I'm still waiting for an example. I've been waiting over three years.
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:damn:funny:ranton:
 
haymarket said:
I was being kind .
The FOX poll today showing Biden by 25 points in swing counties show that Trump is done for.
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For anyone who actually takes a poll anywhere suggesting Biden leading Trump by 25 points seriously, I have some beach front property in the Sahara Desert I would like to sell you. Did you not learn anything from the massive humiliation the pollsters(including Fox) suffered in the aftermath of the 2016 election? Do you not remember that the pollsters and pundits in 2016, all the way up to election day had Hillary winning as many as 400 electoral college votes? Remember the blue firewall states that Hillary was certain she could lean on?
 
SheWolf said:
Calling people who are critical of Trump sore losers, and stating that Trump is president no matter how we feel is another reason to think you’re trying to rub something in our faces. Did you feel this sorry for Obama when Trump led the birther movement against him? Did you feel this sorry for Obama when people called him a Kenyan Marxist and terrorist?
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Spare me your whataboutism. Why don't you look through my posts and see if I have ever validated ugly nonsense directed to former President Obama. You won't find any. And I never said that all who criticize Trump are sore losers.

I am all for constructive criticism of any President. What I deplore are the poor sports, sore losers, whiners, and titty-babies who offer nothing but juvenile and tedious ad homs.
 
haymarket said:
I was being kind .
The FOX poll today showing Biden by 25 points in swing counties show that Trump is done for.
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Oh....if I had a hundred dollars for every librul that made a similar claim to me in the lead up to the 2016 race, I could buy a couple luxury automobiles, and remodel my house. And you don't really understand polls. The Fox Poll is a registered voter poll, not a likely voter poll. Registered voter polls are little more then news cycle "shock polls", intended to influence votes rather then predict them.
 
trixare4kids said:
Well, at least we know for certain, the above is what the anti-Trump grumps are hoping for.
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Why do folks who support trump keep insisting on telling each other this lie? I haven't read a single thing on here from anyone wishing death on others.
 
nota bene said:
Oh, add a third thing: We know that every day and in every way fault will be found with Trump and his handling of this crisis, fair or not.

But I say keep scouring. Hearing and reading every single day how awful the current Admin is will surely enhance national morale, and that's what we all want, right? A super-positive outlook that increases confidence rather than fear and hopelessness, correct?
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Sorry but I personally refuse to stop speaking out about a president who is a disgrace to america. You can keep telling each other what a wonderful job he's doing even though he is the chief divider with his constant sour remarks of others, especially those who need to be more 'appreciative' of the horrible job he is doing in this crisis. It's republican pulling america apart with their instance of supporting this con man.
 
JMR said:
You feel sorry for Trump?
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Usually not. He's not a sympathetic character. But I do wonder what he might have accomplished had he not had the distraction of the impeachment bull**** and feel sorry for the nation. I do think that there are those who hate him more than they care for our country.

In advance, please don't confuse "those" with "all."
 
ObamacareFail said:
Same here. I was a Ted Cruz support and did not care for how Trump treated other GOP candidates. I did not take him seriously until the debates. I think that is when he won many of us over who were sitting on the fence after the convention. Not only did he make me believe he would follow through on the issues he campaigned on, he showed the willingness and ability to fight the Washington DC establishment and media rather then just sitting back and taking it like establishment republicans have done.




Yes....I imagine Hillary lost a significant number of votes in states she needed to win with that "deplorables" statement. When running for president, it is not intelligent to openly insult those who support your opposition. She should have been attempting to win over as many of them as she could. Trump won those blue firewall states primarily by winning over a significant number of democrats who had previously voted for Obama.



Agreed. I certainly have no plans on voting for a democrat nominee promising to undo as much of Trump's policies as possible.




Tru. I have doubts that he will survive all the way through the democrat convention on the top of the ticket.
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Curious, as to who you think will take his place.
 
bongsaway said:
Why do folks who support trump keep insisting on telling each other this lie? I haven't read a single thing on here from anyone wishing death on others.
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I'm not folks. I gave an opinion that obviously others share judging by the likes beneath my statement.
 
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