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Why the silence on Vegas?

Slingshot Bob said:
Almost 6 months later and we still know as much as we did the day after. Before you just attack the source and dismiss it, I challenge you to read it with an open mind as many valid questions are asked.

WAYNE ALLYN ROOT=> The Vegas Massacre Exposé: What Really Happened?

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So here are my “Top 20” nagging questions, inconsistencies and theories about the Vegas Massacre…
#1) RAMBO.
How did an overweight, out of shape, 60-year old, anonymous guy (on no one’s radar) with no military training and no military or law enforcement history become Rambo overnight? He carried out this plot with no help? Got hundreds of pounds of weapons to his room? He broke open a hurricane-strength 800- pound window? Set up sniper-type guns? Pulled off worst mass shooting in America’s history with no training, no help? Even though the one over-riding theme of every survivor/witness I’ve spoken to, or heard from is…they saw or heard multiple shooters. Yet the FBI and Vegas police immediately discounted this theory. Why?
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I can only logically answer one of your questions, my friend.
...and i apologize for the language. I am merely being technical here, not moral.
Morally, his actions are as repugnant as anything can get.

So...
He was able to kill so many because he COULD NOT MISS.
No matter what field of fire he chose, there would be targets (people) there, to his way of thinking.
A bump stock would not be necessary in his situation.
Personally, I do not think they are necessary in any situation as they only waste ammo.
In his situation, spraying rounds WAS effective and the bump stock made the killing faster.

I smell so many FALSE FLAGS in this case to sell a hundred books.
 
PleasantValley said:
I can only logically answer one of your questions, my friend.
...and i apologize for the language. I am merely being technical here, not moral.
Morally, his actions are as repugnant as anything can get.

So...
He was able to kill so many because he COULD NOT MISS.
No matter what field of fire he chose, there would be targets (people) there, to his way of thinking.
A bump stock would not be necessary in his situation.
Personally, I do not think they are necessary in any situation as they only waste ammo.
In his situation, spraying rounds WAS effective and the bump stock made the killing faster.

I smell so many FALSE FLAGS in this case to sell a hundred books.
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I have been accused of so many CT's in this thread (not saying you). My point is simply, we have very few answers and many questions.

People need to demand answers.
 
Slingshot Bob said:
I have been accused of so many CT's in this thread (not saying you). My point is simply, we have very few answers and many questions.

People need to demand answers.
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If he were muslim or hispanic you would undoubtedly be telling us you already have all of the answers.
 
Slingshot Bob said:
I have been accused of so many CT's in this thread (not saying you). My point is simply, we have very few answers and many questions.

People need to demand answers.
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"people' can demand answers till the cows come home.
Only those in power have the ability to provide them.
If they choose not to, then no answers are coming.

While I agree with you, I also know the people will not hear a word until those in power are ready to tell us.
Even then, we will only get the sanitized version.
I saw this with real world events while I was in the Navy that I saw with my own eyes.
Then when i read about it......no way was that true or even close to accurate.

Kinda like reading a POLICE REPORT.
(wink, wink...nod, nod)
 
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Slingshot Bob said:
Anyhow, after the usual thread derailment crew has arrived, it is hard to believe the American people are not screaming for answers here.
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We have answers, a white lunatic murdered a bunch of people. Why is that so hard for you to believe? White people wouldn't do that, would they?

Slingshot Bob said:
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Did you just Godwin yourself? You're so unable to accept that a white person could commit mass murder that you invented a conspiracy theory about the deep state, and that has something to do with Hitler? You're not all there, are you?
 
Rich2018 said:
And you do ?

I don't see why a shooter couldn't rig a rifle to fire remotely when mounted on a tripod. Not saying it was done but that it could be.

s I said, this is assuming that there is evidence that two weapons were fired at the same time - which I don't believe there is.
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Actually yes I do. We use them at work all the time.

Yes anything is possible but we were talking about what actually happened. Not something out of a Hollywood movie.
 
Maccabee said:
Most of the door is obscured by the adjacent one. for all we know the obscured half is basically shredded.

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A. I would like to see the reports of the three officers saying that he was shot in the chest and B. Even if they said that, you must realize that these are SWAT officers responding to what sounded like a machine gunner spraying the field, not detectives analyzing the scene after the fact and the threat long neutralized. Their adrenaline is pumping and their only goal is to stop the threat and clear the rest of the room so they're going to miss details and what not.

Actually, I've seen people getting head shot online and most of the reaction is in the head. their head jerks back and the body falls where it's at. I've never seen bodies move as you described.

Probably had it set up and heard the SWAT team coming and dropped it right there and shot himself. The rifle, being on a bipod, happened to fall standing up. if you have a rifle with a bipod at home you can try the same thing.


This is the only one that I can't answer but only due to the fact that I don't study dead bodies as a career.
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Nope. The door is removed and pictured. You can count them all. No more than 33 bullets. The rest of the damage to the door was done on breach.

There is an interview with the 4 officers that entered the room, conducted by CBS. You should look it up.

I could possibly see the rifle landing on its bipod....but not covering the ankle. Not after a violent gunshot wound to the head. Now...I COULD see one of the officers moving it at some point accidentally or carelessly before the crime scene photos were taken.

And like I have said...it could all be nothing...or just a bunch of coincidences. Or just remarkable..but still normal.

Just....questions.
 
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Slingshot Bob said:
Why the air hose? Did he plan to keep shooting if gassed?
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Seems elaborate preparation to just shoot himself...right? The video cameras in the hallway...the preparation for a shootout..and then just...the end.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
We have answers, a white lunatic murdered a bunch of people. Why is that so hard for you to believe? White people wouldn't do that, would they?



Did you just Godwin yourself? You're so unable to accept that a white person could commit mass murder that you invented a conspiracy theory about the deep state, and that has something to do with Hitler? You're not all there, are you?
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Your trust in the government is disturbing.
 
VanceMack said:
Logistically it was just...weird. The weapons used were AR15s and AR10s...magazines not compatible. The calibers used...2.23 and 308...again...mixed...and not compatible.

And the handgun he used to shoot himself in the head (and the bullet was found IN his head) was a S&W .357. From point blank range. No exit wound.

Reeeeeaaaaallllllyyyyy?
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Clearly the official story fails, and that's my only point. And as you have pointed out, it fails in many ways.

Events staged to advance the political agenda of gun control is how they operate, and I don't even know who "they" are, but it's easy to recognize their pattern of behavior.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
We have answers, a white lunatic murdered a bunch of people. Why is that so hard for you to believe? White people wouldn't do that, would they?



Did you just Godwin yourself? You're so unable to accept that a white person could commit mass murder that you invented a conspiracy theory about the deep state, and that has something to do with Hitler? You're not all there, are you?
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We have answers? May I ask what are the questions?

Those are not answers provided by the authorities, they are talking points that we the public are supposed to believe if we're "good americans". That is insufficient for me.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Clearly the official story fails, and that's my only point. And as you have pointed out, it fails in many ways.

Events staged to advance the political agenda of gun control is how they operate, and I don't even know who "they" are, but it's easy to recognize their pattern of behavior.
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The problem to me is that the official story changed so much. Questions...even if its just Keystone Cops investigative work.
 
There is always a man behind the grassy knoll it seems.
 
Slingshot Bob said:
Your trust in the government is disturbing.
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If I don't make up a deep state conspiracy because I can't accept a white guy could commit a shooting spree, I have too much trust in my government?

Thoreau72 said:
We have answers? May I ask what are the questions?

Those are not answers provided by the authorities, they are talking points that we the public are supposed to believe if we're "good americans". That is insufficient for me.
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Yes. The answer is that some people are ****ed in the head. Some angry white guy shot a bunch of people. Are you jumping on the deep state conspiracy train with Bob? Not everything has some long or intricate answer, sometimes it's just about someone being an asshole.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
If I don't make up a deep state conspiracy because I can't accept a white guy could commit a shooting spree, I have too much trust in my government?



Yes. The answer is that some people are ****ed in the head. Some angry white guy shot a bunch of people. Are you jumping on the deep state conspiracy train with Bob? Not everything has some long or intricate answer, sometimes it's just about someone being an asshole.
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Your trust in government is disturbing.
 
VanceMack said:
The problem to me is that the official story changed so much. Questions...even if its just Keystone Cops investigative work.
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Agreed. If any given story has to be constantly changed and fine-tuned, to me it's a sign that it's just a story and not necessarily true. If a suspect under police questioning is always changing the details of his story, the police are naturally made more curious. They become suspicious, as they should.

That works both ways.

After reading the 911 Commission Report, Senator Mark Dayton said NORAD lied frequently. Not trying to change the subject, but if the story does not comport with the facts, the story fails.

If NVPD has nothing to hide, why is it hiding so much? Why is it necessary to wipe civilian cell phones of all photos?

The cynical answer is they have something to hide, and the public is being deceived. Standard fare, in this time of universal deception.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
If I don't make up a deep state conspiracy because I can't accept a white guy could commit a shooting spree, I have too much trust in my government?



Yes. The answer is that some people are ****ed in the head. Some angry white guy shot a bunch of people. Are you jumping on the deep state conspiracy train with Bob? Not everything has some long or intricate answer, sometimes it's just about someone being an asshole.
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And sometimes it's just the government telling lies, again.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
If I don't make up a deep state conspiracy because I can't accept a white guy could commit a shooting spree, I have too much trust in my government?



Yes. The answer is that some people are ****ed in the head. Some angry white guy shot a bunch of people. Are you jumping on the deep state conspiracy train with Bob? Not everything has some long or intricate answer, sometimes it's just about someone being an asshole.
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For the second time sir, what was the question? You have made an accurate statement, and called it an answer, but you have not provided the question you claim to have answered. Sorry.
 
Thoreau72 said:
And sometimes it's just the government telling lies, again.
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Thoreau72 said:
For the second time sir, what was the question? You have made an accurate statement, and called it an answer, but you have not provided the question you claim to have answered. Sorry.
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The question of "why". There are no there relevant questions that are unanswered. Just because you and the OP distrust the government doesn't make everything a big conspiracy. What would the government be hiding about some white guy going postal and shooting everybody? There's nothing to pretty up or change. Do you bust out the conspiracy theories with muslim attackers as well?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
The question of "why". There are no there relevant questions that are unanswered. Just because you and the OP distrust the government doesn't make everything a big conspiracy. What would the government be hiding about some white guy going postal and shooting everybody? There's nothing to pretty up or change. Do you bust out the conspiracy theories with muslim attackers as well?
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What would it be hiding? More than you and I know, but part of it might have been contained on the many cell phones that the LVPD wiped clean. How many were wiped clean? I know positively of just one, but it's a safe bet there are more.

What the government is also hiding is that the shooters were more than one white guy going postal. Michael Adams' work showed 2 rifles firing, and he discovered that by analyzing footage from cell phones recording at the point of impact. Maybe that's why LVPD was wiping cell phones?

Maybe it was one white guy and one white woman, since there were 2 rifles firing from the forensics.

I'm not claiming to know all the answers, not by a long shot, but it's obvious that once again, the story regarding a mass shooting with automatic weapons does not add up. That is all.
 
Slingshot Bob said:
Can only one man occupy a room? Who is to say another shooter may not have fled the scene?
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And that's evidence ?


If there was a second shooter, there's no evidence (pictures, footage etc) of his/her and he/she must have fled PDQ after the shooting started. So what would be the point of them being there ?
 
braindrain said:
Actually yes I do. We use them at work all the time.

Yes anything is possible but we were talking about what actually happened. Not something out of a Hollywood movie.
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Well since this is a conspiracy thread, why not include something seen in a Hollywood movie. Of course you can rig a firearm to fire from a tripod hands free.

But as stated, there's no evidence of a second shooter anyway. Only Paddock is know to have been in that suite and the confusing reports of shots from a second weapon are merely just echoes.
 
Rich2018 said:
Well since this is a conspiracy thread, why not include something seen in a Hollywood movie. Of course you can rig a firearm to fire from a tripod hands free.

But as stated, there's no evidence of a second shooter anyway. Only Paddock is know to have been in that suite and the confusing reports of shots from a second weapon are merely just echoes.
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There IS evidence of a second shooter, but you are simply blissfully unaware of that fact, and I suspect you are not interested in the least in informing yourself of that.

Didn't you watch any of the video and audio recorded by those present when it happened? Including a taxi driver sitting at the hotel? I did. It was obvious there was a second rifle firing. Adams' work corroborated that.
 
Thoreau72 said:
There IS evidence of a second shooter, but you are simply blissfully unaware of that fact, and I suspect you are not interested in the least in informing yourself of that.

Didn't you watch any of the video and audio recorded by those present when it happened? Including a taxi driver sitting at the hotel? I did. It was obvious there was a second rifle firing. Adams' work corroborated that.
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Wath this video. It clearly states that there is no audio of two different sounding guns going off simultaneously.

The "second shooter" audio are clearly echoes. Around 5:20 into the video.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGeaJQyojJc&t=364s
 
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