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Is Islam protected by the Constitution?

Tennyson said:
I believe you are the character who could not provide the part of the Constitution that prohibited Jim Crow laws or why it was keep a secret until the 1960s.
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I repeatedly proved it. You desperately tried to ignore it, despite the explict statement in the 13th Amendment as well as the racism of the government.?
 
Tigerace117 said:
I repeatedly proved it. You desperately tried to ignore it, despite the explict statement in the 13th Amendment as well as the racism of the government.?
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I believe you are the character who could not provide the part of the Constitution that prohibited Jim Crow laws or why it was keep a secret until the 1960s.
 
Ploughboy said:
Yep, its about Israel and has nothing to do with you. It has nothing to with any other nation other than the laws of Israel. If you read the entire Torah, along with Joshua and Judges, you will clearly see all this is restricted to Israel. It had nothing to do about you. The Sunnah of Muhammad is about you and me and everyone else who lives on earth.
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Maybe, but Israel is not really doing that stuff. And most Israelis claim to follow that part of the bible. Perhaps many Muslims, just like Jews and Christians, don't really obey every sentence in their book? Seems pretty obvious to me, but I realize you are here to sell an anti-Islam agenda.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
Maybe, but Israel is not really doing that stuff. And most Israelis claim to follow that part of the bible. Perhaps many Muslims, just like Jews and Christians, don't really obey every sentence in their book? Seems pretty obvious to me, but I realize you are here to sell an anti-Islam agenda.
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Islamophobia a la Coldjoint.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
Maybe, but Israel is not really doing that stuff. And most Israelis claim to follow that part of the bible. Perhaps many Muslims, just like Jews and Christians, don't really obey every sentence in their book? Seems pretty obvious to me, but I realize you are here to sell an anti-Islam agenda.
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I don't think anyone is suggesting that every Muslim on earth is devout and tries his best to follow every dictate in the Qur'an. We all know that is simply not reality. But, they're not the problem. The problem is those who DO try to live by every word of the Qur'an. Are we in agreement with that?
 
Ploughboy said:
Muslims never convert anyone as nobody in their right mind would find the teachings of Islam Divinely inspired. Hence Islam is spread by polygamy, which is illegal in America, and mass murder, which is also illegal in America. So few people convert to Islam its not worth mentioning. Islam is not spread through its message but through force and breeding an army through exceedingly high births rates of 7 children per household.
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I know people that have converted to Islam, again you are totally wrong. And there are public figures that have as well. Stop posting garbage that is untrue and just your 'belief.'

We can all see right thru it. You provide no facts.
 
Catholicism over the centuries and certainly until the 1930s US, were the butchers of the time and now profiteering pedophiles and
...they have consitutional rights.
 
stevecanuck said:
I don't think anyone is suggesting that every Muslim on earth is devout and tries his best to follow every dictate in the Qur'an. We all know that is simply not reality. But, they're not the problem. The problem is those who DO try to live by every word of the Qur'an. Are we in agreement with that?
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I have no argument with what you wrote there.

The issue is usually with fundamentalists, and/or people who deliberately warp religions in order to advocate destructive things. Pretty much any religion can be used that way. There are certainly "dictates" in the first few books of the Bible that were used for centuries to justify downright evil practices, slavery is an obvious example. Taking the Book of Revelation literally has caused / is causing issues as well.

Jim Jones and David Koresh claimed to be following the Bible.
 
Tennyson said:
I believe you are the character who could not provide the part of the Constitution that prohibited Jim Crow laws or why it was keep a secret until the 1960s.
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Ah, and you are the poster who thinking copying and pasting the same garbage over and over again is an argument.

I already posted the part of the constitution which made Jim Crow illegal in the last thread. Why is your reading comprehension so poor?
 
Ploughboy said:
I did not even cover the bases with this here. My question is this: Where in the Constitution does it say that a foreign army can come in under the guise of emigrants and exterminate the entire population of non-muslims? Since it is Islamic doctrine to murder all disbelievers until there is no more disbelief, this would make such teachings illegal in the United States and not protected by the Constitution.

If anyone disagrees with this then tell me where I have gone wrong?
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Err...everything.

News flash: If they were really here to kill us all (*gasp!*, *scream!*), there'd be a lot more of us dead. Stop this nonsense, you're making Christians look ridiculous.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Ah, and you are the poster who thinking copying and pasting the same garbage over and over again is an argument.

I already posted the part of the constitution which made Jim Crow illegal in the last thread. Why is your reading comprehension so poor?
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I believe you are the character who could not provide the part of the Constitution that prohibited Jim Crow laws or why it was keep a secret until the 1960s.
 
Ploughboy said:
1 - Americans have the right to life, liberty and happiness. Baby killing is not a right to life. Hillary ran on killing babies on the day of delivery which is one of the reasons she lost, that and her position on Islam. So baby killing is not what our framers of the Constitution had in mind.

2 - Homosexuality is a sin as the Bible says. Its not the only sin, but its a sin nevertheless. Progressives want to force this wicked sin on children against he parents will. They want Christianity to parish and homosexuality to become the new normal. This is not what the framers of the Constitution had in mind.
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Your religious views on abortion and homosexuality have nothing to do with this issue. *Because they are RELIGIOUS views*. And a woman's Constitutional rights cannot & will not be violated...per SCOTUS decisions...to accommodate the unborn. The unborn has no right to life. Dont bother arguing this here, it's law. And it's not based on religious views, nor should it be.

3 - sharia law allows for honor killings which is illegal in America. It allows for setting people on fire and burning them to death in the streets which is illegal in America. It allows for stoning women accused of adultery which is illegal in America. It allows for murdering all non-musliims which is illegal in America. People who defend sharia law have never even read it. I have read all the books of Islam and nothing about Islam is sane let alone legal in America. Most all muslim practices are illegal in America as it is. Sharia law is based on the Qur'an and Sunnah which you and others here say has no importance in Islam yet you defend sharia.

Sharia law also allows for killing apostates. So if you decide to become a muslim today you better not change your mind tomorrow, or else!
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I never wrote that Muslims followed ALL sharia laws. Not only that, I can tell you that most American Muslims *dont want to.*

And they are not entitled to follow any laws that violate US laws.

Are you saying that Christians should still be allowed to stone whores?

Take an 'eye for an eye?'?

So you are saying that converts to Islam should be killed if they have a change of heart. That violates US law completely!
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??? I neither wrote nor implied any such thing. Feel free to provide my quote that does.
 
Tigerace117 said:
I repeatedly proved it. You desperately tried to ignore it, despite the explict statement in the 13th Amendment as well as the racism of the government.?
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Where is that thread? I'm very curious but dont want to go off-topic.
 
Lursa said:
Where is that thread? I'm very curious but dont want to go off-topic.
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It was far enough back that I don't remember the exact title, but I think it was one of the threads about the Confederacy.
 
Tennyson said:
I believe you are the character who could not provide the part of the Constitution that prohibited Jim Crow laws or why it was keep a secret until the 1960s.
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Oh look, yet another copy-paste "argument".

Nothing was "kept secret". I gave you the exact wording in the 13th amendment. You just couldn't face facts.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
I have no argument with what you wrote there.

The issue is usually with fundamentalists, and/or people who deliberately warp religions in order to advocate destructive things. Pretty much any religion can be used that way.
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Islam is unique in terms of advocating violence to further the cause. The bible starts as a ****-show in the OT, whereas the NT takes a completely different tone. The mythical character known as Jesus was all about love and forgiveness. How Christianity turned so horrible for about 1500 years is mind bending. Jesus neither did nor said anything to justify the atrocities carried out in his name. Islam's history is the polar opposite. During Mohamed's first 12 years in Mecca, he didn't do or say anything that would justify jihad and/or terrorism. However, after the Meccans rejected his message in no uncertain terms, which caused him to relocated to Medina, everything changed. He immediately started a war with Mecca, and the message of the Qur'an began to take on an intolerant an militaristic tone. After he defeated the Meccans at the Battle of the Trench in 628, he immediately committed genocide against the Jewish Banu Quraiza tribe. He had about 600 men and boys beheaded and took the women and children as slaves. The largely Jewish city that he came to in 622 was completely Muslim by 628. He then "received" the first 29 verses of sura 9 which completed the shaping of Islam into an offensive and colonizing force. By 632 the Muslims left Arabia and began their campaign to conquer the known world, and all in accordance to the words and deeds of Mohamed. This is all easily verified. Any similarity between Christianity and Islam ended at that point. [/QUOTE]
 
Tigerace117 said:
Oh look, yet another copy-paste "argument".

Nothing was "kept secret". I gave you the exact wording in the 13th amendment. You just couldn't face facts.
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What part of the Thirteenth Amendment prohibited Jim Crow laws and why it was keep a secret until the 1960s?
 
Ploughboy said:
The topic of this discussion is whether or not Islam is protected by the Constitution.

Muslims do not like our way of life and come here to change our way of life into their way of life. They do not respect our laws and the Qur'an and Sunnah does not teach muslims to respect the laws of the kafir. They come here to murder us which is why this topic should lead to some very interesting discussion.

I will quote from the Qur'an, Sunnah, and Tafsir (the interpretation of the Qur'an) to make my case that Islam is sedition to the Constitution.
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The constitution protects freedom of religion, so yes Islam as a religion is protected.

You sound very much like a group of people, from the not distant past, that were convinced that Jews were sedition to the world. As I recall, it didn't work out to well for that group.
 
jet57 said:
The constitution protects freedom of religion, so yes Islam as a religion is protected.

You sound very much like a group of people, from the not distant past, that were convinced that Jews were sedition to the world. As I recall, it didn't work out to well for that group.
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No where in any of the first ten amendments is there any protection of any rights. There is only restrictions on the federal government.
 
Tennyson said:
No where in any of the first ten amendments is there any protection of any rights. There is only restrictions on the federal government.
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More or less the same thing. The Declaration of Independence and the writings of the philosophers of the time was the theory, the Bill of Rights, obviously in your view misnamed, and the French Declaration are the theory put into practice. Islam is protected, as is the Baha'i faith.

Yesterday Catholics couldn't be good Americans. Today Muslims. And let's not get started on Mormons.
 
Ploughboy said:
The topic of this discussion is whether or not Islam is protected by the Constitution.

Muslims do not like our way of life and come here to change our way of life into their way of life. They do not respect our laws and the Qur'an and Sunnah does not teach muslims to respect the laws of the kafir. They come here to murder us which is why this topic should lead to some very interesting discussion.

I will quote from the Qur'an, Sunnah, and Tafsir (the interpretation of the Qur'an) to make my case that Islam is sedition to the Constitution.
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Didn't we cover this here and elsewhere a few years ago? Anyway, what should we do about it if you are right? That Muslim ban thing is sooo first year Trump catastrophe. Next you'll be going after Mormons. Get with the program. It's Central Americans that are out to "infest" us, as Donald said recently.
 
Nickyjo said:
More or less the same thing. The Declaration of Independence and the writings of the philosophers of the time was the theory, the Bill of Rights, obviously in your view misnamed, and the French Declaration are the theory put into practice. Islam is protected, as is the Baha'i faith.

Yesterday Catholics couldn't be good Americans. Today Muslims. And let's not get started on Mormons.
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The theories of Montesquieu, Locke, et al. were put into practice with the Constitution.

No religion is protected by any amendment. A protection is a libertarian concept with a right being phrased a a "right to." Neither the Constitution or the first ten amendments are libertarian documents.
 
zyzygy said:
Islamophobia a la Coldjoint.
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It isn't Islamophobia if muslims are really out to kill you. I have quoted loads of proof from Islam's books of hate. Those quotes from these Islamo-books were referring to killing all--not some--but all non-muslims. But all you do is deny the quotes and move on to this ridiculous Islamophobia card. So you are basically a troll and are not participating in the topic in a reasonable matter whatsoever. But who ever said the left had reason, right? You radical liberals live by one iron rule: Logic is the enemy and truth is a menace.
 
The Ash Shifa is one of the most sacred books of the Sunnah. It is Scripture and it deals with laws pertaining to both muslims and disbelievers. I will reference Islamic bookstores that sell these books and give a description of it. So this here is what you liberals defend.

Ash Shifa (Aisha Bewley translation):

Part 4, Chapter 1, Section 1, p.376

"Habib ibn Rabi' al-Qarawi said that the school of Malik and his companions is that anyone who says anything disparaging about the Prophet is killed without being asked to repent.
Ibn ' Attab said that the Book of Sunna require that someone who intends to even slightly harm or disparage the Prophet, either by allusion or clear statement, must be killed."

Part 4, Chapter 1, Section 2, p.376

SECTION 2
The Proof of the necessity of killing anyone who curses the Prophet or finds fault with him

"The Qur'an says that Allah curses the one who harms the Prophet in this world and He connected harm of Himself to harm of the Prophet. There is no dispute that anyone who curses Allah is killed and that his curse demands that he be categorized as an unbeliever. The judgement of the unbeliever is that he is killed."

Section 2, continued..p.378

"Similarly on the Day of Conquest, he ordered the killing of Ibn Khatal and his two slavegirls who used to sing his curses on the Prophet."

Section 2, continued..pp.378-379

"Abdu'r-Razzaq mentioned that a man cursed the Prophet, causing the Prophet to say, "Who will save me from my enemy?" Az-Zubayr said, "I will." He sent az-Zubayr and he killed him.
It is related that a woman used to curse the Prophet and he said, "Who will save me from my enemy?" Khalid ibn al-Walid went out and killed her.
It is related that a man forged lies against the Prophet and he sent 'Ali and az-Zubayr to kill him.
Ibn Qani' related that a man came to the Prophet and said, "Messenger of Allah, I heard my father say something ugly about you, so I killed him," and that did not distress the Prophet.
Al-Mujahir ibn Umayya, the Amir of Yemen, reported to Abu Bakr that a woman there in the time of Ridda chanted curses against the Prophet, so he cut off her hand and pulled out her front teeth. When Abu Bakr heard that, he said to him, "If you had not done what you already did, I would have commanded you to kill her because the hadd regarding the Prophet is not like the hadd regarding others."
Ibn 'Abbas said that a woman from Khatma satirised the Prophet and the Prophet said, "Who will deal with her for me?" A man from her people said, "I will, Messenger of Allah." The man got up and went and killed her. He told the Prophet, "Two goats will not lock horns over her."
Ibn 'Abbas said that a blind man has an umm walad who used to curse the Prophet. He scolded her and restrained her, but she would not be restrained. That night she began to attack and revile the Prophet, so he killed her. He told the Prophet about that and he said he has shed her blood with impunity."

Part Four, Chapter 1, Section 5, p.387,

"Muhammad ibn Sahnun said, "Anyone who doubts a single letter which Muhammad, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, brought, is a denying unbeliever."
He said that the judgement against anyone who rejects the Prophet is that he is killed.
Ahmad ibn Sulayman, Sahnun's companion, said that whoever says that the Prophet was black is killed. The Prophet was not black.
Abu 'Uthman al-Haddad said something similar and said that if someone said the Prophet died before his beard began to grow or that he was in Tahart (Morocco) and not Tihama, he is killed because this constitutes denial.
Habib ibn ar-Rabi said that it is disbelief to alter his description and its details. The one who does that openly is an unbeliever. He is asked to repent. The one who conceals it is a heretic and is killed without being asked to repent."

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