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A British family on vacation accidentally drove into the U.S. They’ve spent days detained with their

Mr Person said:
Something is definitely up with these people. I suppose it's barely in the realm of possibility that they really were just on the wrong road and that the $16,000 cash was planted and the video surveillance + Canada refusal to allow return lies, but the likelihood is preeeeeeeetty small.
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I came back from the USA with a check once that was larger than what they had and I declared it to customs, as you are supposed to. I was kinda surprised to hear the customs agent tell me that they are pretty sure most people don't declare their money if in check form but they do catch people with the cash. I sat there for an hour at least doing the paperwork and waiting and thought, 'gee, now I know why people don't declare it because what a waste of my time' ... then some person being frisked in a detainee room start screaming bloody murder and about 6 or 7 agents took off sprinting to help their colleague. LOL
 
Bodhisattva said:
I got tired of reading about this one incident of one employee doing something wrong... and some supervisors didn't do much of anything... but it also sounds like a he said/she said incident. The main criticism seems to be that ICE used the place to detain people... that it is not a prison. How does that make the photo that I showed invalid? How does that make the place filthy and freezing? How does that prove that the people were not travelling with $16,000 in cash after they illegal crossed the border... that Canada does not want the illegal immigrants back... that the British Consulate is not responding to them?
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Wow. So an ICE guard repeatedly rapes a detainee under threat of deportation in full view of a 7 year old child and his peers at the facility were not only complicit but further traumatized this woman by stripping her down to her underwear so they could send him photos of his rape victim while he’s on vacation per his own testimony. This isn’t a he said she said. He plead guilty to it and it took a Court to tell ICE that raping their detainees is wrong in the United States of America. And your response to all of that is a shoulder shrug and peppering me with questions about a 4 year old staged photograph. You asked for an example of another report of inhumane conditions and I provided it. I don’t know what that photograph does for you in a facility operated by people who think raping women is “a joke.”
 
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Napoleon said:
Wow. So an ICE guard repeatedly rapes a detainee under threat of deportation and his peers at the facility were not only complicit but further traumatized this woman by stripping her down to her underwear so they could send him photos of his rape victim while he’s on vacation per his own testimony. This isn’t a he said she said. He plead guilty to it and it took a Court to tell ICE that raping their detainees is wrong in the United States of America. And your response to all of that is a shoulder shrug and peppering me with questions about a 4 year old staged photograph. You asked for an example of another report of inhumane treatment and I provided it.
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I said that I stopped reading because it was about one incident. It also said that he argued that it was consensual. I didn't shoulder shrug. He pleaded guilty. Great. Put him in jail. That happens in lots of places and does not mean that the institution is filthy and freezing or that overall, it is a concentration camp and that this family is being treated poorly, like the mother that illegally crossed the border with almost $20,000 in cash claims.
 
Bodhisattva said:
I said that I stopped reading because it was about one incident. It also said that he argued that it was consensual. I didn't shoulder shrug. He pleaded guilty. Great. Put him in jail. That happens in lots of places and does not mean that the institution is filthy and freezing or that overall, it is a concentration camp and that this family is being treated poorly, like the mother that illegally crossed the border with almost $20,000 in cash claims.
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I used this case as an example because it highlights that it isn’t just one incident, but a systemic problem and at this facility in particular. What kind of facilities is ICE running when they’re arguing in court that the people in their custody aren’t entitled even to basic human rights as a defense for a culture of rape? Why are basic human rights a question the courts have to answer at all in the United States of America? Why do you and I even have to discuss whether or not putting a 3 month old baby in jail is the right thing to do? And why does a 4 year old photograph of a playroom that detainee children are notably absent from override the reports of what the people who have experienced life in that facility had to say?
 
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Napoleon said:
I used this case as an example because it highlights that it isn’t just one incident, but a systemic problem and at this facility in particular. What kind of facilities is ICE running when they’re arguing in court that the people in their custody aren’t entitled even to basic human rights as a defense for a culture of rape? Why are basic human rights a question the courts have to answer at all in the United States of America? Why do you and I even have to discuss whether or not putting a 3 month old baby in jail is the right thing to do? And why does a 4 year old photograph of a playroom that detainee children are notably absent from override the reports of what the people who have experienced life in that facility had to say?
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A three-month old is not "in jail" and whatever custody that the kid is in is the parent's responsibility. I am arguing against her claim that it is filthy and freezing... something that still has no been shown to be true. Pointing out one case of illegal behavior does not condemn the place... many to most places of work have some person that has done something wrong or immoral. Why are you defending the choice of these people, is the real question, to break the law?
 
Bodhisattva said:
A three-month old is not "in jail" and whatever custody that the kid is in is the parent's responsibility. I am arguing against her claim that it is filthy and freezing... something that still has no been shown to be true. Pointing out one case of illegal behavior does not condemn the place... many to most places of work have some person that has done something wrong or immoral. Why are you defending the choice of these people, is the real question, to break the law?
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That isn’t the real question. The real question is when and why it became acceptable in America for a federal agency to lock people up, including citizens and babies, indefinitely without due process or access to counsel and argue in Court that the people in its custody aren’t entitled to basic human rights. In this case, in a facility which has been notorious for rape and abominable conditions for at least 5 years.
 
Napoleon said:
That isn’t the real question. The real question is when and why it became acceptable in America for a federal agency to lock people up, including citizens and babies, indefinitely without due process or access to counsel and argue in Court that the people in its custody aren’t entitled to basic human rights. In this case, in a facility which has been notorious for rape and abominable conditions for at least 5 years.
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Due Process? This happened yesterday. You have evidence that they asked for counsel and were denied it? And again, one rape does not condemn the whole thing... and AGAIN... a baby is not being "locked up". Just stop with the tear jerking drama train. I am extremely confident that there is at least a social worker caring for a three month old baby for crying out loud... jeezuz. :roll:

Yeah... the ****ing baby is rolling around on a concrete prison cell floor crying for its mother while ****ting it dirty diaper again and again in freezing temperatures. :roll:
 
Bodhisattva said:
Due Process? This happened yesterday. You have evidence that they asked for counsel and were denied it? And again, one rape does not condemn the whole thing... and AGAIN... a baby is not being "locked up". Just stop with the tear jerking drama train. I am extremely confident that there is at least a social worker caring for a three month old baby for crying out loud... jeezuz. :roll:

Yeah... the ****ing baby is rolling around on a concrete prison cell floor crying for its mother while ****ting it dirty diaper again and again in freezing temperatures. :roll:
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What is your reason for doubting the veracity of the accounts of people who have been imprisoned in that facility over the last five years and failure to recognize the consistency of this account with them? It can’t be on the basis of a staged photograph from 2015 of a playroom that no one was using.
 
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Napoleon said:
What is your reason for doubting the veracity of the accounts of people who have been imprisoned in that facility over the last five years and failure to recognize the consistency of this account with them? It can’t be on the basis of a staged photograph from 2015 of a playroom that no one was using.
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I have only heard the one account provided by you and I am not ready to trust the British family and their idiotic story, with all that cash and headlines like this:

[h=2]Two members of British family arrested after 'swerving to miss an animal and accidentally driving from Canada into America' had previously been denied entry to the US, border officials reveal[/h]US officials assert the family of Eileen and David Connors crossed the border on purpose, noting their vehicle was observed 'slowly and deliberately' driving through a ditch to cross into U.S. territory in Blaine, Washington, on October 2.

The agency said that border agents tried returning the family to Canada, but Canada refused to have them back. After making two attempts to contact British consular officials, the border patrol said it turned the family over to U.S. immigration officials for removal proceedings.

Border officials reveal two members of British family held in US had previously been denied entry | Daily Mail Online
 
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You know what would have prevented this? A border wall. Just sayin'.....
 
AProudLefty said:
Bison burgers are awesome. Sometimes kinda gamey though.
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These idiots were denied entry into the USA while on vacation and then are found to have illegally crossed the US Border?

And people want to attack the Americans instead...
 
Bodhisattva said:
These idiots were denied entry into the USA while on vacation and then are found to have illegally crossed the US Border?

And people want to attack the Americans instead...
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A few years ago, 1,500 American yahoos “accidentally” illegally entered Canada by tubing down the St. Clair River. The Canadians fished them out of the water, put them on buses, and sent them back here. Maybe they should have locked them up in gulags forever.
 
Napoleon said:
A few years ago, 1,500 American yahoos “accidentally” illegally entered Canada by tubing down the St. Clair River. The Canadians fished them out of the water, put them on buses, and sent them back here. Maybe they should have locked them up in gulags forever.
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Were they on the USA side of the river? There should be a law, or whatever, that says that if you can be in Canada legally, you can simply come into the USA, and vise-versa.

There is no reason to even have a border, at least not one that we police. If we look at the maps there are no walls, few signs, etc. One can walk down a random road or across a park and go from one Canada to the USA without anything resembling a border... because we don't need one. This British family should have just been able to cruise on into America... or if we want to police it, just send say, 'turn around and we will follow you back to the border".
 
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