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[W:369]Kavanaugh accused of more unwanted sexual contact by former classmate

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tres borrachos said:
Trump appointed Gorsuch. Nobody that I'm aware of questioned his qualifications.

Do you have some links to back up your claims or not? This isn't hard. Let's see them.
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that's because he was not changing the court's balance

Kennedy was erratic and unpredictable but he was a solid vote for gay rights and abortion.

Kavanaugh's views on gay rights and abortion give the left much to whine about
 
TurtleDude said:
that's because he was not changing the court's balance

Kennedy was erratic and unpredictable but he was a solid vote for gay rights and abortion.

Kavanaugh's views on gay rights and abortion give the left much to whine about
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So no links, huh? Then your claims are not true.
 
tres borrachos said:
So no links, huh? Then your claims are not true.
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so why are you against Kavanaugh? I am going to hold you to the same standard of proof you demand of others.
 
SheWolf said:
Trump shouldn’t have prevented an investigation. If an actual investigation proved Ford a liar and fraud, so be it. It just looks like the GOP has no principles, ethnics, or honesty anymore. All you care about is power. You’re so deep into the partisanship and trying to define reality and what is right and wrong for the rest of America, you can’t even recognize how absurd you are.
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Ford proved that she was a liar and a fraud. her two door nonsense and fear of flying excuse were obvious lies. And her claims of who was at some party with her was completely fabricated
 
TurtleDude said:
so why are you against Kavanaugh? I am going to hold you to the same standard of proof you demand of others.
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You already know why I oppose Kavanaugh, since I posted it on here about 100 times. I don't like angry, nasty, spitting partisans on SCOTUS, and that's exactly what he showed himself to be. I prefer non-emotional people like Roberts and Gorsuch and RBG and Thomas, who didn't act like a screaming animal when he was accused by Anita Hill, but instead conducted himself like an adult.

Why are you lying about his academic record?
 
TurtleDude said:
Ford proved that she was a liar and a fraud. her two door nonsense and fear of flying excuse were obvious lies. And her claims of who was at some party with her was completely fabricated
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No she didn’t. You shouldn’t support Trump in blocking an investigation. You look like nothing more than hack on this issue.
 
tres borrachos said:
You already know why I oppose Kavanaugh, since I posted it on here about 100 times. I don't like angry, nasty, spitting partisans on SCOTUS, and that's exactly what he showed himself to be. I prefer non-emotional people like Roberts and Gorsuch and RBG and Thomas, who didn't act like a screaming animal when he was accused by Anita Hill, but instead conducted himself like an adult.

Why are you lying about his academic record?
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I didn’t like his whining and crying either. He looked unstable and vindictive. He also came off like a partisan when he went on Fox to pander. I remember a lot of legal experts saying his pandering and partisan was below the conduct of the Supreme Court.

I hope another person with such conduct is ever nominated.
 
Renae said:
Wow this post, this thread, and all those likes you garnered have NOT aged well, and it's 3 days old.

Gotta wonder if you folks on the "Hate Kavanaugh Train" are tired of being lied to by your masters in the press, whose repeated lies keep putting egg all over your faces everytime one of their "BOMBSHELLS" turns out to be turd sammiches.
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:yawn:

You're late to the rape apologism party, Renae. Feel free to find the post where I already addressed this. I am not going to look it up for you. :)
 
SheWolf said:
I didn’t like his whining and crying either. He looked unstable and vindictive. He also came off like a partisan when he went on Fox to pander. I remember a lot of legal experts saying his pandering and partisan was below the conduct of the Supreme Court.

I hope another person with such conduct is ever nominated.
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He apparently had a reputation as a nasty partisan, which is why it took him so long to get confirmed to the Court of Appeals.

Most judges are partisan, obviously. But most of them keep it in check and don't act like angry surly teenagers. He did. His screaming about the Clintons (yes, the Clintons) in his SCOTUS nomination process proved to me that he is angry and unstable. Not what we need on SCOTUS.
 
tres borrachos said:
You already know why I oppose Kavanaugh, since I posted it on here about 100 times. I don't like angry, nasty, spitting partisans on SCOTUS, and that's exactly what he showed himself to be. I prefer non-emotional people like Roberts and Gorsuch and RBG and Thomas, who didn't act like a screaming animal when he was accused by Anita Hill, but instead conducted himself like an adult.

Why are you lying about his academic record?
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What the Kavanaugh defenders never, ever addressed was just how telling his whiny, defensive behavior was.

He knew that his past was going to be closely scrutinized. He had time to get his **** together. He chose not to.
 
Phys251 said:
What the Kavanaugh defenders never, ever addressed was just how telling his whiny, defensive behavior was.

He knew that his past was going to be closely scrutinized. He had time to get his **** together. He chose not to.
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Turtle and the other Kavanaugh devotees like to ignore that.

If RBG acted like that even once, Turtle would have an aneurysm.
 
tres borrachos said:
Turtle and the other Kavanaugh devotees like to ignore that.

If RBG acted like that even once, Turtle would have an aneurysm.
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Very true.

It’s very crazy that it wasn’t the first time a male nominee was accused of sexual misconduct, and it wasn’t taken seriously. It’s very sad. I hope future investigations will be handled correctly. I am not for violating anybody’s rights or destroy anybody’s reputation based on rumors. Posters like TD have nothing to stand on when he trashes Ford without proof. I just wish these situations were handled better, and with proper investigations.
 
TurtleDude said:
you are confused. saying he was on the YLJ was not a big accomplishment is hilarious. He was at the top of Yale Law school and was on the Yale Law Journal. Cum Laude at Yale changed after I was there, was a bit tougher to get. But it means you were a very good student in the top student body in the country. Given what I know about YLS admissions, his LSAT was in the top one percent.
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Weird... because I remember how you always harped on Obama not being a good student and having bad grades... but he got into a better law school and was not only on the Harvard Law Review, but actually led it, which is generally considered the top position at Harvard Law.

I’m beginning to doubt your objectivity. And your supposed education, TBH.
 
TurtleDude said:
if Trump had not been the man who appointed him, I doubt we'd see all this silly attempts to pretend he is not qualified. I love the attitude that merely being a notes editor on the top law review in the country is some sort of minor league achievement.
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Again, Obama was president of HLR... and you repeatedly dismissed it.

Weird.
 
TurtleDude said:
that's because he was not changing the court's balance

Kennedy was erratic and unpredictable but he was a solid vote for gay rights and abortion.

Kavanaugh's views on gay rights and abortion give the left much to whine about
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Kavanaugh's views on gay rights and abortion cannot be determined at this time. Democrats object to his appointment on the grounds that he is political hack with questionable ethics on the separation of church and state, the rights of corporations and presidential power to over-ride Congress.
 
tres borrachos said:
You already know why I oppose Kavanaugh, since I posted it on here about 100 times. I don't like angry, nasty, spitting partisans on SCOTUS, and that's exactly what he showed himself to be. I prefer non-emotional people like Roberts and Gorsuch and RBG and Thomas, who didn't act like a screaming animal when he was accused by Anita Hill, but instead conducted himself like an adult.

Why are you lying about his academic record?
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Back when this stuff was all the rave in news I still had a foot on the Trump train, though my ride was becoming less enthusiastic with each passing day. As such I took the Kavanaugh thing as someone Trump felt qualified, although I did feel the claims being made should be looked into. The outcome by the FBI was fine, but in the back of my mind I hoped no strings had been pulled. Kavanaugh was sworn in, life went on.

Obviously I gave up on the compulsive liar in the White House and no longer think he makes wise choices or can be trusted. Kavanaugh was not a wise choice.

Yesterday I had the TV on while doing some work online and parts of the hearing came on. I realized my Trump colored glasses had dimmed the reality that Kavanaugh should have been sworn in.

I saw an angry out of control person, who was defiant, rude and snarky. He had zero control over himself or his emotions. His "I like beer" made me laugh because it seemed like his inner party boy was coming out. Not a man who was hoping for a lifetime position on our courts.

I have no idea if anything will come from this newest allegation, but I do think it was a mistake to go ahead with Kavanaugh. Surely there was a more mature candidate out there. Someone who could own up to mistakes made in the past (like partying too hard) but assure people they were no longer that person. He was incapable of doing that.
 
SkyFox76 said:
I have no idea if anything will come from this newest allegation, but I do think it was a mistake to go ahead with Kavanaugh. Surely there was a more mature candidate out there. Someone who could own up to mistakes made in the past (like partying too hard) but assure people they were no longer that person. He was incapable of doing that.
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Yes, why the insistence on this particular man. Why ram through this man onto the SC when there are Republican judges with more integrity, more experience, more intelligent, less baggage, and ones that have not accepted large sums of money from undisclosed sources. Why Kavanaugh?
 
weaver2 said:
Yes, why the insistence on this particular man. Why ram through this man onto the SC when there are Republican judges with more integrity, more experience, more intelligent, less baggage, and ones that have not accepted large sums of money from undisclosed sources. Why Kavanaugh?
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Maybe because someone invested a lot of money in him and wanted a return.
 
Phys251 said:
What the Kavanaugh defenders never, ever addressed was just how telling his whiny, defensive behavior was.

He knew that his past was going to be closely scrutinized. He had time to get his **** together. He chose not to.
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How, exactly, is one supposed to prepare for cases where stories of their past are made up from whole cloth by political hit squads?

I kind of get a kick out of some of you who claim Kavanaugh was a whiner when your own discourse here is, as a rule, a master class in that activity.
 
SkyFox76 said:
Back when this stuff was all the rave in news I still had a foot on the Trump train, though my ride was becoming less enthusiastic with each passing day. As such I took the Kavanaugh thing as someone Trump felt qualified, although I did feel the claims being made should be looked into. The outcome by the FBI was fine, but in the back of my mind I hoped no strings had been pulled. Kavanaugh was sworn in, life went on.

Obviously I gave up on the compulsive liar in the White House and no longer think he makes wise choices or can be trusted. Kavanaugh was not a wise choice.

Yesterday I had the TV on while doing some work online and parts of the hearing came on. I realized my Trump colored glasses had dimmed the reality that Kavanaugh should have been sworn in.

I saw an angry out of control person, who was defiant, rude and snarky. He had zero control over himself or his emotions. His "I like beer" made me laugh because it seemed like his inner party boy was coming out. Not a man who was hoping for a lifetime position on our courts.

I have no idea if anything will come from this newest allegation, but I do think it was a mistake to go ahead with Kavanaugh. Surely there was a more mature candidate out there. Someone who could own up to mistakes made in the past (like partying too hard) but assure people they were no longer that person. He was incapable of doing that.
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It’s very true that he didn’t own up to mistakes of his past. It sounds like he was a young alcoholic. While it’s not a good thing, it is something most people would forgive him for.

As a parent, it’s important to talk to your kids about learning from mistakes, and even learning from your past mistakes. My mom had those conversations with me. If he did that, he could have had a really moving and powerful moment on TV. It would have been a moment that many would relate to. He had no such moments. He just looked angry and played victim. The partisanship of it was horrible.
 
weaver2 said:
No, my position is that of all the areas of concern about Kavanaugh: sexually inappropriate behavior, ethical lapses, political hackery, anti-democratic views, poor quality judgments: accepting very large sums of money from undisclosed sources for undisclosed reasons just before you are nominated to be a judge in the highest and lost court of appeals is corruption and should be addressed first.
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They were addresses. He was confirmed. You concerns were answered.
 
tres borrachos said:
It isn't anyone else's fault that you couldn't read Don Junior's emails when they were leaked by the NY Times. Maybe you can get Hooked on Phonics, or have someone read them for you?
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To quote my favorite New York liberal, you can have your own opinion, but not your own facts.
 
weaver2 said:
Yes, why the insistence on this particular man. Why ram through this man onto the SC when there are Republican judges with more integrity, more experience, more intelligent, less baggage, and ones that have not accepted large sums of money from undisclosed sources. Why Kavanaugh?
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Mans not accused of attempted rape and sexual assault

I have to say, I think Ford was very believable. She didn’t come off as a liar IMO. Kavanaugh’s defense was he didn’t know her, and didn’t recall. He was also known for heavy drinking and bad party antics. It wasn’t a sufficient defense.

I believe there is a higher probability that Ford is telling the truth versus lying.

Yes, everything you said about him is true and damning, however, being accused of attempted rape is nothing to gloss over either. A proper investigation should have conducted. The GOP has no damn excuse in their lack of responsibility
 
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