Rep. Omar defends invoking allah to combat ‘evil’ israel

D_NATURED said:

Are you serious? You wrote a lot of words for such a message of creative denial. So, the Israelis are the victims of their captives who murder them with rocks. I think I understand your perspective now. You're crazy.

In truth, you guys wouldn't know antisemitism if it bit you on the swastika. It's not antisemitism to point out the facts, historical and contemporary, of the Jewish state's oppression of their captives. However, it is the lowest form of conservative projection to accuse other people of bigotry in order to shut down a conversation about a nation that is committing daily human rights violations.

You and I both know why Israel is necessary to the US, so much so that we turn a blind eye to their crimes. We both know that the Israeli state is the manifestation of Christian efforts to create the conditions for end-times. Without Israel, the magical book would be wrong...again. The conservative clown car is full of doomsdayers, frantically trying to fulfill prophesy so they can prove to themselves that they didn't waste their lives praying to an empty sky rather than take some human responsibility for their lives and their planet. If it weren't so depressing, it would be hilarious.

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Conservative this conservative that. I'm far from a conservative in any field of politics myself.
This is the main problem I've always had with this place in my decade here, this weird and bizarre method of constructing world views. People always trying to convince themselves that they need to hold a position because it is what others associate with their declared ideology. "I'm a progressive and we hate racism and Jews, so that's what I need to argue". Meh. You should have ridden yourself of the Jew hatred of the far-left instead of just blindly adopting it while clearly being so ignorant about everything relating to it as you've shown in the previous post. None of that which you refer to as "facts" is really reality-based. All merely the same propaganda nonsense you can easily find on every antisemitic hate-site.

Buzz62 said:

I mean...you people are common hypocrites.

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You dodged the question. That says all that needed to be said.

Apocalypse said:

As I told you before the criticism of a specific action taken by one government is never racism or bigotry.
Your belief that an action X or policy Y of an Israeli government is "evil" is, while perhaps immoral, a legitimate opinion.
The obsession with Israel however, the belief that it should be destroyed and that it is evil incarnate and has no right to exist, that's antisemitism hiding itself as criticism.
Quite simple.

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What the **** thread are you reading because none of that is in this one.

Deuce said:

What the **** thread are you reading because none of that is in this one.

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None of what?
An obsession with Israel? Claims that it itself and not one policy or another is 'evil'(which would have been actual criticism)?
These are certainly in this thread most importantly in the OP.
Either you are against racism, all forms of it, or you embrace it - and clearly you have made your choice.

Apocalypse said:

None of what?
An obsession with Israel? Claims that it itself and not one policy or another is 'evil'(which would have been actual criticism)?
These are certainly in this thread most importantly in the OP.
Either you are against racism, all forms of it, or you embrace it - and clearly you have made your choice.

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So, in your mind, Israel can straight up murder a baby on live television and if I object, I am a racist bigot. Ok chief. You do you.

Deuce said:

You dodged the question. That says all that needed to be said.

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Calling Israel "evil" is anti-Semitism. Should Trump have ever said Mexico or any other ****-hole country was "evil", you lefties would have gone off the deep end.
Thus you are hypocrites.

Buzz62 said:

Calling Israel "evil" is anti-Semitism.

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Calling North Korea "evil" is racist. Agree?

Apocalypse said:

Conservative this conservative that. I'm far from a conservative in any field of politics myself.

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Forgive me for thinking that someone who supports an oppressive theocracy might be conservative. It's the conservatives on this board who are generally the ones who give the reductionist treatment to Israel's bloody Palestine policy. The contortions you must do to pretend that calling people terrorists excuses whatever you do to them is typical conservative logic, as well. So, when I accuse you of being conservative, what I really mean is your opinions on the subject are myopic and delusional. If that makes you look too conservative to me, it's not a mistake.

This is the main problem I've always had with this place in my decade here, this weird and bizarre method of constructing world views. People always trying to convince themselves that they need to hold a position because it is what others associate with their declared ideology. "I'm a progressive and we hate racism and Jews, so that's what I need to argue".

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Remember myopic and delusional? Your straw man here, that I just follow progressive mandates to hate Jews, is evidence that you are not touched by reality. Israel is a Jewish state but it's not "Jews". Many actual Jews, like my best friend, Mike, agree that Israel has overstepped the bounds of human decency in their lust for the holy land. You, on the other hand, have chosen to construct a fantasy whereby the Jews are the captive of mad terrorists who threaten their children from the other side of the mine field. To misrepresent their condition with easily dismissed hyperbole is evidence of your agenda to deceive.

Meh. You should have ridden yourself of the Jew hatred of the far-left instead of just blindly adopting it while clearly being so ignorant about everything relating to it as you've shown in the previous post. None of that which you refer to as "facts" is really reality-based. All merely the same propaganda nonsense you can easily find on every antisemitic hate-site.

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You are unable to separate Israel, the contrivance, with Jews because it doesn't fit your paradigm. I defy you to find one thing I wrote that is false. You wield the insult "antisemite" like a lunatic flailing blindly in the direction of the truth, hoping to make it go away.



Maybe you should consider yourself to be conservative. It the shoe fits, kick a Palestinian with it, right?

Deuce said:

Calling North Korea "evil" is racist. Agree?

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Nope. But you fail to understand that any slag of Israel is anti-Semitic.
Don't believe me? Go to the Hague and scream "Israel Is Evil".
Then...call your lawyer.

And you're still hypocrites.

Buzz62 said:

any slag of Israel is anti-Semitic.

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This is the belief I was trying to get you to admit to. Thanks.

Have a nice day, racist. Wait, let me explain. You think Israel is magical. It's above any and all criticism. Any country, any race, any nationality, any religion, all of these can be criticized. Except your chosen master race.

Deuce said:

This is the belief I was trying to get you to admit to. Thanks.

Have a nice day, racist. Wait, let me explain. You think Israel is magical. It's above any and all criticism. Any country, any race, any nationality, any religion, all of these can be criticized. Except your chosen master race.

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Actually...BUZZZZ...your way off base.
I'v been called anti-Semitic so many times that it means nothing to me now.
Which is why I know what anti-Semitism is.
I learned to recognize hypocrites on my own.

Buzz62 said:

Actually...BUZZZZ...your way off base.
I'v been called anti-Semitic so many times that it means nothing to me now.
Which is why I know what anti-Semitism is.
I learned to recognize hypocrites on my own.

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I literally called you the opposite of anti-Semitic. You're blocked now, racist.

Deuce said:

I literally called you the opposite of anti-Semitic. You're blocked now, racist.

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Did I say you called me anti-Semitic?
You might wanna stop being foolish right about now...

Deuce said:

So, in your mind, Israel can straight up murder a baby on live television and if I object, I am a racist bigot. Ok chief. You do you.

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That's a very unintelligent response.
I already pointed out that in such case the objection would be criticism.
I'm drawing a line between criticism of one action or another of a specific government of Israel and an anti-Israeli obsession.

D_NATURED said:

Forgive me for thinking that someone who supports an oppressive theocracy might be conservative. It's the conservatives on this board who are generally the ones who give the reductionist treatment to Israel's bloody Palestine policy. The contortions you must do to pretend that calling people terrorists excuses whatever you do to them is typical conservative logic, as well. So, when I accuse you of being conservative, what I really mean is your opinions on the subject are myopic and delusional. If that makes you look too conservative to me, it's not a mistake.

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This is an excellent explanation you provide for how you became this person who fully adopts a barbaric and hateful doctrine that attacks a liberal democracy for defending its citizens from the actions of actual oppressive theocratic regimes and murderous Islamist terror groups.

You say yourself here "conservatives tend to support X", so you support Y.
It's exactly like I told you in the previous post, this is what I came to look down at the most on these boards, this manner in which you construct your world views is so twisted and messed up.
Supporting Israel is the moral thing to do regardless of a point of view. Whether one considers himself to be a progressive or a conservative or a liberal or a feminist has nothing to do with that.

No amount of recycled arguments you find on brainwashing propaganda hatesites or propaganda pictures that you simply post and hope will make your case for you will change the fact that you've chosen to adopt a racist and immoral world view on a situation that has nothing to do with you and that you couldn't be more ignorant of simply because you thought this is what you're supposed to do as you define yourself a progressive. It's lame really.

Remember myopic and delusional? Your straw man here, that I just follow progressive mandates to hate Jews, is evidence that you are not touched by reality. Israel is a Jewish state but it's not "Jews". Many actual Jews, like my best friend, Mike, agree that Israel has overstepped the bounds of human decency in their lust for the holy land. You, on the other hand, have chosen to construct a fantasy whereby the Jews are the captive of mad terrorists who threaten their children from the other side of the mine field. To misrepresent their condition with easily dismissed hyperbole is evidence of your agenda to deceive.

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Ah yes the same old "I have Jewish friends and they think like I do". That's another racist argument right there. There are ultra-orthodox Jews out there who want Israel destroyed and meet with Iranian leaders and with antisemitic groups because they believe it shouldn't have come to exist prior to the arrival of the Messiah. Good for them, good for your "friend" Mike, completely irrelevant and a completely racist argument to try and apply relevancy to your "friend" by pointing at his background.

You are unable to separate Israel, the contrivance, with Jews because it doesn't fit your paradigm. I defy you to find one thing I wrote that is false.

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I am actually, what I don't do however is give your kind a free pass because "I said Israel not Jews".
In the previous post I pointed 3 parts of your comment that exposed antisemitism. That's not "criticism" for one policy or another, that's outright antisemitism. Saying that supporting a known antisemitic bigot is worse than supporting Israel, opposing Israel's right to exist while not opposing any other nation's same right and finally your down playing of the historical connection of the Jewish people to their homeland are all racist expressions that you yourself are responsible for.

It's always people who make such racist expressions that are later reacting with anger when people are saying that anti-Semitic notions can be hidden by an anti-Israeli obsession.

ElChupacabra said:

Yeah, that one is comically bad. One can take exception to the policies of a nation and not be prejudiced against the people themselves.

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I think the leftist truly take exception to the very existence of a Jewish country and not just a handful of policies. the policies they complain about are the only reason Israel is a stable Jewish majority state.

EMNofSeattle said:

I think the leftist truly take exception to the very existence of a Jewish country and not just a handful of policies. the policies they complain about are the only reason Israel is a stable Jewish majority state.

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That's a pretty broad brush.

Buzz62 said:

Nope. But you fail to understand that any slag of Israel is anti-Semitic.
Don't believe me? Go to the Hague and scream "Israel Is Evil".
Then...call your lawyer.

And you're still hypocrites.

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Is there no freedom of Speech at the Hague? That seems worse than anything you could yell there. I'm glad I'm in America where we don't have to worry that we'll be punished for speaking our minds.

I have to disagree that speaking ill of Israel makes a person antisemitic. The Jewish state is NOT the Jewish religion. Just like speaking ill of Saudi Arabia does not make someone an Islamaphobe (a stupid label). I don't think you know what a hypocrite is.

Apocalypse said:

This is an excellent explanation you provide for how you became this person who fully adopts a barbaric and hateful doctrine that attacks a liberal democracy for defending its citizens from the actions of actual oppressive theocratic regimes and murderous Islamist terror groups.

You say yourself here "conservatives tend to support X", so you support Y.
It's exactly like I told you in the previous post, this is what I came to look down at the most on these boards, this manner in which you construct your world views is so twisted and messed up.
Supporting Israel is the moral thing to do regardless of a point of view. Whether one considers himself to be a progressive or a conservative or a liberal or a feminist has nothing to do with that.

No amount of recycled arguments you find on brainwashing propaganda hatesites or propaganda pictures that you simply post and hope will make your case for you will change the fact that you've chosen to adopt a racist and immoral world view on a situation that has nothing to do with you and that you couldn't be more ignorant of simply because you thought this is what you're supposed to do as you define yourself a progressive. It's lame really.



Ah yes the same old "I have Jewish friends and they think like I do". That's another racist argument right there. There are ultra-orthodox Jews out there who want Israel destroyed and meet with Iranian leaders and with antisemitic groups because they believe it shouldn't have come to exist prior to the arrival of the Messiah. Good for them, good for your "friend" Mike, completely irrelevant and a completely racist argument to try and apply relevancy to your "friend" by pointing at his background.



I am actually, what I don't do however is give your kind a free pass because "I said Israel not Jews".
In the previous post I pointed 3 parts of your comment that exposed antisemitism. That's not "criticism" for one policy or another, that's outright antisemitism. Saying that supporting a known antisemitic bigot is worse than supporting Israel, opposing Israel's right to exist while not opposing any other nation's same right and finally your down playing of the historical connection of the Jewish people to their homeland are all racist expressions that you yourself are responsible for.

It's always people who make such racist expressions that are later reacting with anger when people are saying that anti-Semitic notions can be hidden by an anti-Israeli obsession.

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Sir, you are the racist if you think that Jews are incapable of morality and should be immune from fair criticism. If we must excuse their behavior or pretend that the creation of Israel was and is not something for which far too much blood has been spilled, you have made Jews a protected class, not equals to anyone. Is it really your intention to condescend to them that way?

I do have Jewish friends, though I disagree with you that mentioning their agreement with my perspective makes me racist. In fact, I again call into question whether you have any idea of what you're talking about. I think your attitudes have been formed by American political dogma, whereby Israel must be coddled and condoned no matter what they do, who they murder, or how much American blood they cost us or how much international turmoil they create. Right? There is no limit to your forgiveness, as long as the victims of their violence are only Muslims.

No, it's clear that YOU are the rabid bigot here, not me. The power dynamic in Israel is well known so you have no excuse to be this ignorant. I shudder to think of what this world might become if the type of revisionist history that you rely upon to maintain such generous opinions of the Jewish state were universally accepted. I wonder what lies you tell your children to explain how the country, who is most obviously in control, isn't.

There are many good Jewish people whose eyes are open. You, however, seem content to exist in a state of irrational certainty. I'm sure you're used to looking dumb so when American policy finally yields to the available evidence and condemns the Israeli oppression of the Palestinians, no doubt you'll remain adamant. That's the thing about racists, though, they are a tenacious bunch. Gratefully, we still have eventual death to balance the books.

D_NATURED said:

Sir, you are the racist if you think that Jews are incapable of morality and should be immune from fair criticism. If we must excuse their behavior or pretend that the creation of Israel was and is not something for which far too much blood has been spilled, you have made Jews a protected class, not equals to anyone. Is it really your intention to condescend to them that way?

I do have Jewish friends, though I disagree with you that mentioning their agreement with my perspective makes me racist. In fact, I again call into question whether you have any idea of what you're talking about. I think your attitudes have been formed by American political dogma, whereby Israel must be coddled and condoned no matter what they do, who they murder, or how much American blood they cost us or how much international turmoil they create. Right? There is no limit to your forgiveness, as long as the victims of their violence are only Muslims.

No, it's clear that YOU are the rabid bigot here, not me. The power dynamic in Israel is well known so you have no excuse to be this ignorant. I shudder to think of what this world might become if the type of revisionist history that you rely upon to maintain such generous opinions of the Jewish state were universally accepted. I wonder what lies you tell your children to explain how the country, who is most obviously in control, isn't.

There are many good Jewish people whose eyes are open. You, however, seem content to exist in a state of irrational certainty. I'm sure you're used to looking dumb so when American policy finally yields to the available evidence and condemns the Israeli oppression of the Palestinians, no doubt you'll remain adamant. That's the thing about racists, though, they are a tenacious bunch. Gratefully, we still have eventual death to balance the books.

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Again the three parts of your comment I called out;

A) Supporting Israel is worse than supporting an antisemitic bigot - antisemitism
B) Israel has no right to exist - you don't believe any other nation but the world's only Jewish one has no right to exist - antisemitism.
C) Playing down the Jews' historical connection to their homeland, claiming that Jews' only claim is a "divine right" and not an historical claim - antisemitism.

To that you can add your repeated claims that you aren't a racist Jew hater - and you are - because you "have Jewish friends", the most common racist excuse in the racist textbook.
This has nothing to do with criticism of one policy or another, this is outright antisemitism you represent here.

As to your "alternative facts" regarding the conflict they are all false, the oppression and the murders and all that nonsense is merely the result of your brainwashing that you gave in to being a weak minded person who is easy to influence by sources who were telling you that conservatives like Jews and you as a progressive need to hate them and become a full fledged antisemite. Israel defends itself from terrorists morally and righteously. It doesn't and never will target innocents.

Don't talk to me about history revisionism and about telling lies to people, you're the result of exactly these methods and your projection is horrible.
Always avoid preaching to people about a situation they are part of which you know nothing about, this just exposes all the disadvantages of your personality.

zimmer said:

Of course, CNN didn’t push back on the anti-Semite... bigot.

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... while

1. The left is certainly tolerant of anti semitism

and

2. Many anti-semites try to cover themselves by claiming to be "only taking about Israel",

3. Claiming that Israel is engaged in evil deeds is not, in fact, an anti-semitic statement.

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PeteEU said:

So a guy invokes God to strike down evil and you freak out?

And yes the current Israeli government is evil.

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"Secular country invokes God and end times prophecies to combat modern problems".

Sounds almost like an onion article, but this ain't satire here.

Sampson Simpson said:

Ah yes, the right wing idiocy of claiming anybody critical of Isreal is a anti-Semite and bigot. Oh, that's exactly what Israel has hypnotized people to believe, this bull****.

Sorry, Israel murders scientists, murders Palestinians, steals their lands, bombs neighboring countries, and is constantly provocative. Sorry, they are assholes, just as much as Palestinians have been assholes and other countries in that region have as well.

There is nothing racist about being critical of Israel Israel is a country, not a race of people




Didn't say strike down, just said "see". People do need to see Israel is not really the good guy,.

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I will be the first to admit that Israel isn't perfect, and does have problems. However, this needs to be taken in context. The Palestinians were part of the invasion that attempted to destroy Israel, which was created after Adolph Hitler attempted to destroy the Jewish race, and murdered millions in the process. The Palestinians continue to fire rockets into Israel. The Palestinians still subscribe to the ideal that Israel has no right to exist.

I stand with Israel.

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... while

1. The left is certainly tolerant of anti semitism

and

2. Many anti-semites try to cover themselves by claiming to be "only taking about Israel",

3. Claiming that Israel is engaged in evil deeds is not, in fact, an anti-semitic statement.

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If we can't separate Israel from Judaeism or morality from politics, you have set the stage for normalized tyranny. It's anti-semitic when you want Jews dead for being Jews. It's not anti-semitic when you have legitimate criticisms of a POLITICAL entity run by Jews. If the right can't comprehend that distinction, they are being deliberately obtuse and dishonest.

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If we can't separate Israel from Judaeism or morality from politics, you have set the stage for normalized tyranny.

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That is, flatly, ridiculous. It's not normalized tyranny for (for example) Democrats to support a higher minimum wage, thinking that it's a moral imperative to help low income families, or for us to outlaw rape because we find violation of another in that fashion to be wrong.

It's anti-semitic when you want Jews dead for being Jews. It's not anti-semitic when you have legitimate criticisms of a POLITICAL entity run by Jews.

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Agreed. Unfortunately, many who advocate the former hide behind the latter, and the latter does not generally call them out for it, further blurring the lines.

If the right can't comprehend that distinction, they are being deliberately obtuse and dishonest.

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Nope, they are being people, who have the ability to be wrong, a tendency to see things through tribal lenses, and an inclination to attribute evil motives to those who they dislike. The left does this in spades, so throwing rocks from that Glass House may not be your wisest strategy on this one.

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