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Trump signs executive orders on coronavirus economic relief

Paul Krugman:
Just a word about the other Trump "policy", on unemployment benefits. He is NOT proposing to extend supplemental benefits. He's calling for a new program, without Congressional authorization, that states are supposed to set up and provide with matching funds

Two realities here:

1. The administrative capacity of state unemployment offices is stretched to the limit — it took months to provide expanded benefits, and some people never got them. They're in no position to add a new program.

2. States are also broke because of coronavirus revenue losses and expenses. Even if they could reprogram their COBOL-driven computers fast enough, they wouldn't have the money.

So this is policy by reality TV: an attempt to pretend that Trump is doing something, while providing no real relief for months at best. The fact is that Trump and those around him don't know how to do policy.
 
BlueTex said:
If we reduce the amount of money collected for social security and medicare, how do we sustain the current benefit levels? Oh WAIT! We borrow it!
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Yep. What do you think we did with the 6 trillion already wasted because of the shutdown? I didn't see any complaints about that. All I heard was,"You want people to die. We can always get the money we went in debt for back eventually. The shutdown and 6 trillion we BORROWED saved lives! You only care about money"
 
jpn said:
Paul Krugman:
Just a word about the other Trump "policy", on unemployment benefits. He is NOT proposing to extend supplemental benefits. He's calling for a new program, without Congressional authorization, that states are supposed to set up and provide with matching funds

Two realities here:

1. The administrative capacity of state unemployment offices is stretched to the limit — it took months to provide expanded benefits, and some people never got them. They're in no position to add a new program.

2. States are also broke because of coronavirus revenue losses and expenses. Even if they could reprogram their COBOL-driven computers fast enough, they wouldn't have the money.

So this is policy by reality TV: an attempt to pretend that Trump is doing something, while providing no real relief for months at best. The fact is that Trump and those around him don't know how to do policy.
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Can you imagine how disappointed all the unemployed Trump supporters will be this week when the deposit doesn't show up....
 
i've been saying for decades that these so called fiscal conservatives/conversationalists/small government folks were big ole fakes and liars.


and for three years now we have confirmation.
 
jpn said:
Paul Krugman:
Just a word about the other Trump "policy", on unemployment benefits. He is NOT proposing to extend supplemental benefits. He's calling for a new program, without Congressional authorization, that states are supposed to set up and provide with matching funds

Two realities here:

1. The administrative capacity of state unemployment offices is stretched to the limit — it took months to provide expanded benefits, and some people never got them. They're in no position to add a new program.

2. States are also broke because of coronavirus revenue losses and expenses. Even if they could reprogram their COBOL-driven computers fast enough, they wouldn't have the money.

So this is policy by reality TV: an attempt to pretend that Trump is doing something, while providing no real relief for months at best. The fact is that Trump and those around him don't know how to do policy.
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Paul Krugman? LMAO. He is the guy who got a Pulitzer for being a far leftist like Obama, not to mention dumb as Cuomo.
 
Paradoxical said:
Yep. What do you think we did with the 6 trillion already wasted because of the shutdown? I didn't see any complaints about that. All I heard was,"You want people to die. We can always get the money we went in debt for back eventually. The shutdown and 6 trillion we BORROWED saved lives! You only care about money"
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Just so we are clear, do you currently receive social security and/or medicare benefits?
 
BlueTex said:
Just so we are clear, do you currently receive social security and/or medicare benefits?
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Yes, I do. I am getting a small portion of the money I paid in back.
 
BlueTex said:
If we reduce the amount of money collected for social security and medicare, how do we sustain the current benefit levels? Oh WAIT! We borrow it!
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According to what I just read, it's not a cut now. It's deferred taxes. So, everyone who thinks they are getting a cut will have to make it up later. Of course, Trump is betting they don't realize it until after election day.
 
MTAtech said:
According to what I just read, it's not a cut now. It's deferred taxes. So, everyone who thinks they are getting a cut will have to make it up later. Of course, Trump is betting they don't realize it until after election day.
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I understand that but he made the following promise at the end of the signing...

“If I’m victorious on November 3rd, I plan to forgive these taxes and make permanent cuts to the payroll tax,” Trump said at a news conference in Bedminster, N.J. “I’m going to make them all permanent.”

“In other words, I’ll extend beyond the end of the year and terminate the tax,” Trump later added. “And so we’ll see what happens.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/08/08/trump-payroll-tax-cut/
 
Airyaman said:
This guy argues that Trump's EOs are ineffective, but not unconstitutional: Thread by @DanielJHemel: Seeing lots of statements in my Twitter feed to the effect that Trump's executive orders are unconstitutional. I think that's wrong. Some of…

So basically, just more red meat for his base.
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They really aren’t means to accomplish anything.

Donald Trump has never cared about actually accomplishing anything at all. He just wants to appear to be doing something.

Actually doing it, is irrelevant. Unless, of course, he is paid his tribute, or if he thinks he needs to bow and scrape before people he needs to keep on his side.
 
BlueTex said:
I understand that but he made the following promise at the end of the signing...
“If I’m victorious on November 3rd, I plan to forgive these taxes and make permanent cuts to the payroll tax,” Trump said at a news conference in Bedminster, N.J. “I’m going to make them all permanent.”
“In other words, I’ll extend beyond the end of the year and terminate the tax,” Trump later added. “And so we’ll see what happens.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/08/08/trump-payroll-tax-cut/
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So he set up a big tax bill that only comes due if he loses the election. Cute.

Of course, even if Trump wins, he doesn't have the authority to make permanent changes to the payroll tax--only Congress can do that, and even Republicans know they can't defund Medicare and Social Security.

The actions will not even provide the payroll tax cut that Mr. Trump has long coveted as a centerpiece of stimulus efforts. They will simply suspend collection of the tax, as one of Mr. Trump’s longtime outside economic advisers, Stephen Moore, has recently urged him to do. Workers will still owe the tax, just not until next year. And while Mr. Moore has said that Mr. Trump could promise to sign a law that would permanently absolve workers of that liability, there is no guarantee that Congress would go along.
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haymarket said:
Trump is president. Obama is past history. When you are up to bat you concern yourself with the present game.
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In other words, it doesn't matter whether a previous president did the same.
 
It's just a show and dance. The Dem's will sue and he'll try to claim the $3.5 trillion HEROS Act never happened. This doesn't garner additional support from independents... instead, it's an act of desperation.

Trump is trying to burn down our Republic so he can be lord of the cinder.
 
BlueTex said:
Awww... How much of a cut are you willing to support next year?
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Where do you get that Trump is going to cut my SSI when he cannot do that?

Oh WAIT.......Pelosi
 
Athanasius68 said:
In other words, it doesn't matter whether a previous president did the same.
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Obama never governed in this manner. Imagine the outrage if Obama used an executive order to enact a public healthcare option two months prior to the election.
 
Kushinator said:
It's just a show and dance.
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Trump is making a political bet: it's better to tell voters he tried to help the economy than to have actually helped it.
 
Athanasius68 said:
In other words, it doesn't matter whether a previous president did the same.
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Why do right wingers try to tell us "so many things that just ain't so"?

...Lots of people mistook executive actions for executive orders, and the two are very different things.

In reality, Obama's executive orders fell in line with most of his modern predecessors in number and scope. Many of Obama's executive orders were innocuous and warranted little fanfare; they provided for a line of succession in certain federal departments, for example, or established certain commissions to oversee emergency preparedness.

Some dealt with weighty issues such as immigration and the nation's relationship with Communist Cuba. One of Obama's most controversial executive orders would have spared an estimated 5 million immigrants living in the United States illegally from deportation, but the order was blocked by the U.S. Supreme Court. Another sought to re-establish diplomatic relations, reopen embassies and expand travel and commerce with Cuba....--https://www.thoughtco.com/myths-about-obama-executive-orders-3368120
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Was it about "immigration and the black guy"? Show us the express clause over the whole and entire concept of Immigration, right wingers. Don't tell us, "so many things that just ain't so."
 
Kushinator said:
It's just a show and dance. The Dem's will sue and he'll try to claim the $3.5 trillion HEROS Act never happened. This doesn't garner additional support from independents... instead, it's an act of desperation.

Trump is trying to burn down our Republic so he can be lord of the cinder.
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It is a master stroke. The Dems won't sue. That would be political suicide for them. All they can do is seethe and grumble. Can you just see Trump's campaign commercial if they sue? This is a no win for the Dems. Al they can do now is criticize the president for helping people who are out of work and struggling to pay their bills. Not a good fit for them. In short, Trump bent them over and said "You want to hold things up because you want mail in voting to ensure your side is elected in perpetuity? Here ya go! Need some more Vaseline?"
 
Paradoxical said:
Where do you get that Trump is going to cut my SSI when he cannot do that?

Oh WAIT.......Pelosi
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Without legislation, the trust that funds your benefits will become exhausted much sooner, and will (by law) require a reduction of benefits in order to continue.
 
BlueTex said:
I understand that but he made the following promise at the end of the signing...

“If I’m victorious on November 3rd, I plan to forgive these taxes and make permanent cuts to the payroll tax,” Trump said at a news conference in Bedminster, N.J. “I’m going to make them all permanent.”

“In other words, I’ll extend beyond the end of the year and terminate the tax,” Trump later added. “And so we’ll see what happens.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/08/08/trump-payroll-tax-cut/
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That should be a primary campaign advertisement of the Democrats. Trump plainly stated he wants to defund Social Security. Let that sink in.
 
Paradoxical said:
It is a master stroke. The Dems won't sue.
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It's unconstitutional... Dem's will sue. They have already passed a $3.5 trillion relief plan that doesn't reduce benefits. It's only masterful to the wilfully ignorant and uninformed, which happens to be the overwhelming majority of Trump's base. Hence, it won't gain traction for independents.

Can you just see Trump's campaign commercial if they sue?
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One commercial vs. the 100's that lambaste his early 2020 tweets and comments pertaining to the pandemic? :lol: The desperation from the GOP is amazing!

Again... the Dem's have already passed the HEROS Act.
 
Kushinator said:
Without legislation, the trust that funds your benefits will become exhausted much sooner, and will (by law) require a reduction of benefits in order to continue.
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SSI was NEVER put in a trust like it should have been. We borrowed 6 Trillion for this shutdown. We have been borrowing money for SSI for some time now.

Are you guys listening to idiots like Krugman and Pelosi? WHERE are you getting this junk about SSI?
 
Kushinator said:
It's unconstitutional... Dem's will sue. They have already passed a $3.5 trillion relief plan that doesn't reduce benefits. It's only masterful to the wilfully ignorant and uninformed, which happens to be the overwhelming majority of Trump's base. Hence, it won't gain traction for independents.



One commercial vs. the 100's that lambaste his early 2020 tweets and comments pertaining to the pandemic? :lol: The desperation from the GOP is amazing!

Again... the Dem's have already passed the HEROS Act.
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They are in a no win situation now. They won't sue. Not a good look. They overplayed their hand.
 
Paradoxical said:
SSI was NEVER put in a trust like it should have been. We borrowed 6 Trillion for this shutdown. We have been borrowing money for SSI for some time now.

Are you guys listening to idiots like Krugman and Pelosi? WHERE are you getting this junk about SSI?
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Republicans are the borrow and spend Party.
 
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