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Trump signs executive orders on coronavirus economic relief

Mongidig said:
Do you think those who are struggling to get by really care?
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Will they be struggling next year when they file their taxes and all those suspended taxes come due?
 
its unconstitutional. He just declared himself King. If the conservatives on the court approve this then we are now a monarchy.
 
Mongidig said:
No matter how this plays out it should expedite things. This is a good look to those who badly need the money. This makes the Democrats look bad. Perhaps this act will speed things up at minimum.

Looks like we got us a ball game!
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This is a joke. It's not real. Trump is acting. He's pretending to be a President.
 
gdgyva said:
WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump signed executive orders Saturday for coronavirus economic relief, upending negotiations with Congress after lawmakers failed to reach a deal on Friday.

The executive orders establish a payroll tax holiday through the end of the year for Americans earning less than $100,000 a year.

They also defer student loan payments through the end of the year; continue eviction moratoriums; and extend enhanced unemployment benefits that expired last week, but at a reduced level of $400 instead of the prior $600.

"If I'm victorious on November 3rd, I plan to forgive these taxes and make permanent cuts to the payroll tax," Trump said. "Joe Biden and the Democrats may not want that, they don't want that."
Trump signs executive orders on coronavirus economic relief

Looks like Trump got tired of Congress not getting anything done....he bypassed them
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It'll be eaten up by the tariff on Canadian aluminum that raises the price 10%. American companies will have to pass that increase on to consumers at a time when businesses are already struggling.
If it passes at all.
 
BlueTex said:
Will you support President Biden if he gets tired a waiting on congress to pass gun control legislation and just issues an executive order?
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that is a change to the constitution....isnt it?

can you see the difference?
 
gdgyva said:
that is a change to the constitution....isnt it?

can you see the difference?
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Gun control is a change to the constitution? On what planet?
 
haymarket said:
I hope you would be good enough to explain something thing to me. I taught Government in High School for 34 years. I taught young people that Article I gave the power of legislation to the Congress. The Constitution specifies that the House pass and bill and the Senate pass the same bill and then it goes to the President for his action. The House passed the Heroes bill some three months ago?

When did the Senate pass their version of the bill?

Where does the Constitution give the Executive the power to write his own legislation?

Thank you.
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the same exact power EVERY president has been using and abusing for decades NOW

you might want to go back and just look at the EO's that Obama signed in his 8 years

Or Bush before him, and so on....

All the presidents are now using this when they can get congress to get off their ass and do their job
 
haymarket said:
And how many Trump supporters are closet fascists who do not care or give a damn about what the Constitution says?
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approximately the same number who yelled and screamed about the EO's passed by previous presidents

but you all know that, right....

this is NOTHING NEW
 
gdgyva said:
you are amending the 2nd

that is changing the constitution...period!
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Complete BS... Did the Gun Control Act of 1968 amend the 2nd? Good lord...
 
Here's my take...

1. For those who claim that Trump cannot make his own laws. He hasn't. His EO's have to be based on existing laws. Now...I haven't read the EO's yet. I'm not sure anyone has. But you can be sure that his EO's contains the justification for whatever he does in the EO.

2. For those who predict court challenges. Perhaps. But keep in mind that whoever mounts a court challenge must have standing and one of the criteria for standing is that they must have suffered some sort of harm. Who is being harmed by his EO's? Maybe Congress, eh?

3. Which brings us to the politics of this event. Congress has been unable to come to an agreement and both sides have been blaming the other. That's politics. Trump has shifted things and placed the blame...not on either party...but on Congress. Congress, in my opinion, has three options:

a. Take Trump to court to stop the EO's.
b. Leave it alone and let Trump have his way.
c. Come together and pass their own legislation and send it to the President.​

There are obvious political pros and cons for each course of action that Congress will have to weigh before they come to a decision.

4. Of course, the media will do their part by painting Trump as the bad guy, by using their usual spin, speculation, innuendo, hyperbole and lies.


Now me? I think Congress will immediately pass some legislation and send it to Trump. I think Trump will sign it and then rescind his EO's. And I think that is what Trump wants...that's why he did the EO's. If I'm right, this EO action would be Trump slapping Congress upside the head and telling them to do their damned jobs...and them doing it.
 
gdgyva said:
WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump signed executive orders Saturday for coronavirus economic relief, upending negotiations with Congress after lawmakers failed to reach a deal on Friday.

The executive orders establish a payroll tax holiday through the end of the year for Americans earning less than $100,000 a year.

They also defer student loan payments through the end of the year; continue eviction moratoriums; and extend enhanced unemployment benefits that expired last week, but at a reduced level of $400 instead of the prior $600.

"If I'm victorious on November 3rd, I plan to forgive these taxes and make permanent cuts to the payroll tax," Trump said. "Joe Biden and the Democrats may not want that, they don't want that."
Trump signs executive orders on coronavirus economic relief

Looks like Trump got tired of Congress not getting anything done....he bypassed them
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He doesn't have the authority to do any of that. He can't fail to collect taxes, he can't obligate funds not appropriated by Congress. It's a pure political ploy with no substance.
 
Mycroft said:
Here's my take...

1. For those who claim that Trump cannot make his own laws. He hasn't. His EO's have to be based on existing laws. Now...I haven't read the EO's yet. I'm not sure anyone has. But you can be sure that his EO's contains the justification for whatever he does in the EO.

2. For those who predict court challenges. Perhaps. But keep in mind that whoever mounts a court challenge must have standing and one of the criteria for standing is that they must have suffered some sort of harm. Who is being harmed by his EO's? Maybe Congress, eh?

3. Which brings us to the politics of this event. Congress has been unable to come to an agreement and both sides have been blaming the other. That's politics. Trump has shifted things and placed the blame...not on either party...but on Congress. Congress, in my opinion, has three options:

a. Take Trump to court to stop the EO's.
b. Leave it alone and let Trump have his way.
c. Come together and pass their own legislation and send it to the President.​

There are obvious political pros and cons for each course of action that Congress will have to weigh before they come to a decision.

4. Of course, the media will do their part by painting Trump as the bad guy, by using their usual spin, speculation, innuendo, hyperbole and lies.


Now me? I think Congress will immediately pass some legislation and send it to Trump. I think Trump will sign it and then rescind his EO's. And I think that is what Trump wants...that's why he did the EO's. If I'm right, this EO action would be Trump slapping Congress upside the head and telling them to do their damned jobs...and them doing it.
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You didn't look very hard... You can find them all right here:

Presidential Actions
 
W_Heisenberg said:
No, he didn't. Nothing happened.

Trump may as well be playing with Crayola crayons in a child's coloring book.
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Actually, we'd be better off if he went back to doing that.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
This thread should be fun. We'll get to find out how many of Trump's supporters failed civics. I would reckon about 90% of them.
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You're so generous...
 
W_Heisenberg said:
No, he didn't. Nothing happened.

Trump may as well be playing with Crayola crayons in a child's coloring book.
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That's not exactly my read on it. I think it gives the President a lot more leverage on getting his payroll tax holiday (or is this a really stupid deferment?) in legislative form. Having a back and forth with Congress and the Courts will be tricky. Democratic histrionics about the effect of a payroll tax holiday are ignoring relatively recent history as it's been done before during the last recession. Although the President signals that he wants to "end" the taxes altogether (without doing anything to get there), you can easily block such initiatives. To the public it also finally signals that student loan forbearance ought to continue.
 
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gdgyva said:
approximately the same number who yelled and screamed about the EO's passed by previous presidents

but you all know that, right....

this is NOTHING NEW
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This is nothing like the executive orders signed by previous Presidents.

None of you Trump supporters have any idea what you're talking about. This is a consequence of most of you not graduating from high school.

The power to collect taxes, spend money, and write laws rests with Congress, not the President.

And if you don't believe me....READ THE CONSTITUTION.
 
Fiddytree said:
That's not exactly my read on it. I think it gives the President a lot more leverage on getting his payroll tax holiday (or is this a really stupid deferment?) in legislative form. Having a back and forth with Congress and the Courts will be tricky. To the public it signals (finally) that student loan forbearance ought to continue.
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One potential strategy is for the house to stop negotiating and wait for the courts... When the courts rule this unconstitutional in a couple of months, let Trump deal with the fallout...
 
haymarket said:
And how many Trump supporters are closet fascists who do not care or give a damn about what the Constitution says?
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Closet? I've my doubts about that adjective.
 
BlueTex said:
You didn't look very hard... You can find them all right here:

Presidential Actions
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Oh...I would have gotten around to it, but thanks for the link. It saves some time.

I suggest everyone take a look at the EO's. I will.
 
Fiddytree said:
That's not exactly my read on it. I think it gives the President a lot more leverage on getting his payroll tax holiday (or is this a really stupid deferment?) in legislative form. Having a back and forth with Congress and the Courts will be tricky. To the public it signals (finally) that student loan forbearance ought to continue.
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It's a deferment unless some legislation is passed.... His own executive order acknowledges this...

Sec. 4. Tax Forgiveness. The Secretary of the Treasury shall explore avenues, including legislation, to eliminate the obligation to pay the taxes deferred pursuant to the implementation of this memorandum.

Memorandum on Deferring Payroll Tax Obligations in Light of the Ongoing COVID-19 Disaster
 
gdgyva said:
that is a change to the constitution....isnt it?

can you see the difference?
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And this executive order falls outside his constitutional boundaries. His point is Trump is acting in the exact manner the constitution says he cannot.




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BlueTex said:
It's a deferment unless some legislation is passed.... His own executive order acknowledges this...

Sec. 4. Tax Forgiveness. The Secretary of the Treasury shall explore avenues, including legislation, to eliminate the obligation to pay the taxes deferred pursuant to the implementation of this memorandum.

Memorandum on Deferring Payroll Tax Obligations in Light of the Ongoing COVID-19 Disaster
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I mean, all that means is that people without foresight are going to spend their extra cash and then regret it later. It would be just like the President to think about the short-term benefits without considering the mid-term hit he would take if he were to win.
 
Fiddytree said:
I mean, all that means is that people without foresight are going to spend their extra cash and then regret it later. It would be just like the President to think about the short-term benefits without considering the mid-term hit he would take if he were to win.
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Are you surprised?
 
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