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America's economy grew at its weakest pace since Trump took office

Conservative said:
I was wrong???
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Yep. You pushed a fake number to make it appear that nominal GDP growth was more than the year prior, because you argued for a year that economic success was confirmed by YoY nominal GDP growth. It came in lower, and you tried to tell a lie hoping it would be revised upward in the coming months. When the next set of estimates actually lowered total growth, the narrative was completely abandoned. From then on, you have pretended like you did nothing wrong. Nevertheless, historical comparison of nominal GDP growth as a formative basis to measure economic policy success is weak sauce on the basis of statistical analysis. Your arguments are constructed from a massive army of red herring and faulty generalization fallacies.

Something like, nominal GDP growth is the divine measurement of economic success because real people think so because it's the divine measurement of economic success. It just not even a coherent string of thoughts, let alone a rational argument on the basis of measurement of economic policy success. Economists, financiers, business leaders, academics, etc... the world over accept that real output growth gives us the best means of making a historical comparison to ascertain the underlying strength of an economy that is separated on the basis of time.
 
Conservative said:
ignoring the dollar growth
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I haven't ignored anything. It's just that nominal output growth doesn't tell us as much as the growth in terms of percentage for real output. This is a fact. You are just hopelessly clinging to ignorance in the same fashion you cling to false data.
 
Kushinator said:
Yep. You pushed a fake number to make it appear that nominal GDP growth was more than the year prior, because you argued for a year that economic success was confirmed by YoY nominal GDP growth. It came in lower, and you tried to tell a lie hoping it would be revised upward in the coming months. When the next set of estimates actually lowered total growth, the narrative was completely abandoned. From then on, you have pretended like you did nothing wrong. Nevertheless, historical comparison of nominal GDP growth as a formative basis to measure economic policy success is weak sauce on the basis of statistical analysis. Your arguments are constructed from a massive army of red herring and faulty generalization fallacies.

Something like, nominal GDP growth is the divine measurement of economic success because real people think so because it's the divine measurement of economic success. It just not even a coherent string of thoughts, let alone a rational argument on the basis of measurement of economic policy success. Economists, financiers, business leaders, academics, etc... the world over accept that real output growth gives us the best means of making a historical comparison to ascertain the underlying strength of an economy that is separated on the basis of time.
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Fake? the different between 2.7 and 3 trillion GDP growth in 3 years?? That to you defines a lie?? LOL, liberal arrogance to divert from the actual results! The divine measure of economic success is measured by the election results and what the American people feel at the time Your book smart street ignorance is on full display as your line graphs are pretty but actual numbers matter more than trends
 
Kushinator said:
I haven't ignored anything. It's just that nominal output growth doesn't tell us as much as the growth in terms of percentage for real output. This is a fact. You are just hopelessly clinging to ignorance in the same fashion you cling to false data.
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LOL, tell that to the electorate!!!
 
Conservative said:
Fake?
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Yes. We have already established that you will post false figures and try to gaslight everyone else because reality, once again, crushed your weak narrative.

the different between 2.7 and 3 trillion GDP growth in 3 years
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It's an invalid comparison. Again, we have also established this. You're economically and mathematically illiterate.
 
Conservative said:
LOL, tell that to the electorate!!!
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It has nothing to do with the electorate. Your comparison is dishonest and intellectually bankrupt... and you're not smart enough to understand why. So by all means, continue to post your trash and i'll continue to incinerate it as barely any effort is required.
 
Kushinator said:
Yes. We have already established that you will post false figures and try to gaslight everyone else because reality, once again, crushed your weak narrative.



It's an invalid comparison. Again, we have also established this. You're economically and mathematically illiterate.
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No, we have established that those so called false numbers still show Trump's GDP growth blowing Obama's away, 900 billion per year vs. 500 billion and done without massive gov't spending. that is what the American people were seeing from the Trump economic policies.
 
Kushinator said:
It has nothing to do with the electorate. Your comparison is dishonest and intellectually bankrupt... and you're not smart enough to understand why. So by all means, continue to post your trash and i'll continue to incinerate it as barely any effort is required.
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The electorate is the decider of economic and Presidential success not your graphs
 
Conservative said:
The electorate is the decider of economic and Presidential success not your graphs
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A meaningless statement. Economic success is based on data analysis and interpretation of economic result. The GOP lost the HoR in the most recent national election, so your own argument betrays you.

Your response will be something along the lines of: "the 2018 midterm election doesn't count."
 
Conservative said:
No, we have established that those so called false numbers still show Trump's GDP growth blowing Obama's away, 900 billion per year vs. 500 billion and done without massive gov't spending.
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Comparing nominal GDP is invalid for the same reasons that have been proven throughout these exchanges.

that is what the American people were seeing from the Trump economic policies.
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The American people gave the Democrats the House, and elected Democrat governors in Kentucky and Louisiana.
 
Kushinator said:
A meaningless statement. Economic success is based on data analysis and interpretation of economic result. The GOP lost the HoR in the most recent national election, so your own argument betrays you.

Your response will be something along the lines of: "the 2018 midterm election doesn't count."
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That is liberal arrogance, you have no idea what economic success means to individual Americans!! The House elections were not national, they were District elections so again you show ignorance of basic civics. The statewide elections went to the Republicans as they increased their Senate numbers

Better go back to class this time taking a civics class
 
Kushinator said:
Comparing nominal GDP is invalid for the same reasons that have been proven throughout these exchanges.



The American people gave the Democrats the House, and elected Democrat governors in Kentucky and Louisiana.
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The American people didn't give the House to the Democrats, various Districts did, 41 seats taken which pales in comparison to the over 60 seats taken by the Republicans in 2010 who also took the House in 12-14-16 and the Senate in 14-16. You spend way too much time looking at figures and no time researching history
 
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Conservative said:
you have no idea what economic success means to individual Americans!!
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How predictable! Ignore the results when the don't suit your agenda.

The House elections were not national, they were District elections so again you show ignorance of basic civics. The statewide elections went to the Republicans as they increased their Senate numbers
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Again, i get it, when the results don't tell you what you want to see, pretend they don't exist! I mean, it worked for Trump so why won't it work for you? Answer: i'm not a mouth breathing idiot.
 
Kushinator said:
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How predictable! Ignore the results when the don't suit your agenda.



Again, i get it, when the results don't tell you what you want to see, pretend they don't exist! I mean, it worked for Trump so why won't it work for you? Answer: i'm not a mouth breathing idiot.
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You have ignored the results since Trump took office, focusing on 3% GDP growth, the U-3, Nominal growth, calling the House win national, nothing which actually resonates with the American people. Liberal arrogance on full display totally ignoring human nature and what actually drives them, more money in their pockets, full time jobs, state and local benefits.

What worked for Trump was his appeal to the American people on policies, what you promote is liberal arrogance, dependence, and data out of context. Policies matter not personality as it is policies that benefit the American electorate
 
Kushinator said:
:lamo:2rofll::tocktock2
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Did the American people reject Obama policies with their House victories in 10-12-14-16?

Are you ever going to address the reality that Obama generated 4 trillion in GDP growth in 8 years and Trump 2.7 trillion in 3?

Are you ever going to address the record numbers of part time jobs that Obama created that were promoted in touting the U-3?

Are you ever going to address how much of the 842 billion dollar stimulus is in the Obama GDP growth?

What is it about Obama that creates your kind of loyalty?
 
Kushinator said:
:lamo:2rofll::tocktock2
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Almost as funny is

"Donald Trump received 57.25% of the votes when he was elected to the office of President of the United States of America."​

- which happens to be "100% true"

as well as totally misleading (since there were only 531 votes cast when Mr. Trump was elected to the office of President of the United States of America and NOT in excess of 128,838,342)
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TU Curmudgeon said:
Almost as funny is "Donald Trump received 57.25% of the votes when he was elected to the office of President of the United States of America." (which happens to be "100% true" as well as totally misleading [since there were only 531 votes cast when Mr. Trump was elected to the office of President of the United States of America and NOT in excess of 128,838,342]).
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Isn't it about time to focus on policies instead of personality? The decision is quite clear, do you support Conservative or Liberal social and economic policies? Don't see any discussion on either just politics of personal destruction and focus on personality.

Do you want a country that is based upon keeping more of what you earn and spending it on charities and issues you deem important or one that has the money going to bureaucrats to spend it as they see fit, in the name of compassion that creates dependence.

Do you want a country with massive central gov't or states handling more social and economic issues?

Do you want a country that promotes the private sector or the public sector?

Do you want a country that lives by the Constitution or one that believes the Constitution is a living document that needs to be changed based upon ideology?

Do you want a country where multi millionaire private sector managers are demonized or one that ignores public servant multi millionaires?

There is a reason to vote for Trump or Biden and I just gave it to you. I will be voting for Trump due to conservative economic policies, states' rights, and strong defense
 
Conservative said:
You have ignored the results since Trump took office
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I haven't ignored anything. The Trump economy was a continuation of a trend and was financed by deficit spending. You can try to make excuses for Trump deficits... but that doesn't mean they magically disappear.
 
Kushinator said:
I haven't ignored anything. The Trump economy was a continuation of a trend and was financed by deficit spending. You can try to make excuses for Trump deficits... but that doesn't mean they magically disappear.
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The Trump economy blew the Obama trends out of the water, only a liberal would claim that upward trends matter more than actual dollar growth and the fact that Trump almost doubled the GDP dollar growth he inherited, 900 billion per year vs 500 billion per year, that 400 billion is quite a difference for the American people and gov't revenue both state and local.

You talk trends, percentage change, out of context unemployment and GDP numbers and expect people to believe you have credibility, you don't!!
 
Conservative said:
Did the American people reject Obama policies with their House victories in 10-12-14-16?
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We weren't talking about 2010, 2012, 2014, or 2016.

We were talking about 2018, when the American people rejected Trump policies... and you fell right in line with what i predicted. Next you will post a wall of cherry-picked nonsense starting with nominal GDP that ends with black unemployment. All pre-pandemic btw.

Because even when Trump says:

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You believe it applies to everyone else but Trump.
 
Conservative said:
The Trump economy blew the Obama trends out of the water
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False.

You'd have to be willfully ignorant to believe that. What a coincidence?

actual dollar growth and the fact that Trump almost doubled the GDP dollar growth he inherited
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Meaningless cherry-picking. We know that the American people have rejected Trump. It's whey they gave Dem's the House in 2018, and 2/3 gubernatorial elections (which were in Republican strongholds of Kentucky and Louisiana).

The American people got it. Why can't you? :2razz:
 
Kushinator said:
We weren't talking about 2010, 2012, 2014, or 2016.

We were talking about 2018, when the American people rejected Trump policies... and you fell right in line with what i predicted. Next you will post a wall of cherry-picked nonsense starting with nominal GDP that ends with black unemployment. All pre-pandemic btw.

Because even when Trump says:

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You believe it applies to everyone else but Trump.
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No, you cherry pick data that you believe supports your claim again believing that it was the States that Gave the Democrats the House when it was individual districts. You totally ignore that the states gave the Senate to Republicans and that is state wide popular votes not district popular votes. Your arrogance won't allow you to admit being wrong.

Republicans won 63 Seats in 2010 but that was ignored as you promote the 41 seats taken in 2018

The 2010 United States elections were held on Tuesday, November 2, 2010, in the middle of Democratic President Barack Obama's first term. Republicans ended unified Democratic control of Congress and the presidency by winning a majority in the House of Representatives.

Republicans picked up seven Senate seats (including a special election held in January 2010) but failed to gain a majority in the chamber. In the House of Representatives, Republicans won a net gain of 63 seats, the largest shift in seats since the 1948 elections.
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2010 United States elections - Wikipedia
 
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Conservative said:
No, you cherry pick data that you believe supports your claim
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You can't even show this to be true. Repeating what i say to you isn't a valid argument strategy.

again believing that it was the States that Gave the Democrats the House when it was individual districts. You totally ignore that the states gave the Senate to Republicans and that is state wide popular votes not district popular votes.
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Your incoherent strawman is just a deflection. The American people voted and rejected the Trump administration. This is a fact.
 
Kushinator said:
You can't even show this to be true. Repeating what i say to you isn't a valid argument strategy.



Your incoherent strawman is just a deflection. The American people voted and rejected the Trump administration. This is a fact.
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Wrong again as usual, Keep showing the immaturity to admit when wrong

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