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Nunes aide communicated with Parnas about Ukraine campaign, messages show

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Top Cat said:
Once again. Answer the question.
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I wasn't discussing that, and that isn't the thread topic, so no. Play derailment games somewhere else.
 
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Fletch said:
He did?? How? He said there was no collusion and no obstruction. And there was none. How do we know? The democrat House just impeached the president and never mentioned the Mueller report.
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No, he never said that, as has been demonstrated to you countless times here, and yet you still tautologically parrot the same lies.

Collusion and OOJ were both established in the report.

The one you live in fear of reading.
 
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The AntiDonald said:
Not in secret and not lie about his meetings. "I don't recall" what a crock of dung. He is dirty as Trump. I would be happy with him being defeated at the polls. He is useless to anyone.
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Subjective orange man bad crapola, he is not as useless as your post. You're dismissed. Contribute to the conversation, just to prove you can.
 
Re: Text Messages Show Devon Nunes was Deep Into Ukraine Blackmail Scheme

Fletch said:
Yet democrats just impeached the president and included exactly nothing from the Mueller report. You know why? Because they know there is nothing in it. They dont want you to know that, but I just told you. So now you have no excuse to continue with such ignorant responses.
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Lulz. There's simply no way on Earth you'd ever even begin to know.
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
No, he never said that, as has been demonstrated to you countless times here, and yet you still tautologically parrot the same lies.

Collusion and OOJ were both established in the report.

The one you live in fear of reading.
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Collusion was not established in the report because collusion isn't a crime and thus, it was not pursued in the investigation. What Mueller pursued was criminal conspiracy. Mueller himself testified to this regarding his report.

As to the 2nd element, Mueller went to invent a new legal status of not innocent because he could not conclusively prove guilt. This is what Barr objected to most strenuously, because it upends the primary foundation of American law, innocent until proven guilty. If a person cannot be proven guilty, that person is innocent in the eyes of the justice system. As long as Robert Mueller has been an officer of that justice system, its a standard he shouldn't need to violate for anyone for any reason.
 
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OpportunityCost said:
Collusion was not established in the report because collusion isn't a crime and thus, it was not pursued in the investigation. What Mueller pursued was criminal conspiracy. Mueller himself testified to this regarding his report.
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But, of course, it actually was. That it wasn't pursued is irrelevant to that.

Mueller Found Evidence of Collusion - The Moscow Project

Guide to the Mueller Report’s Findings on “Collusion” - Just Security

Yet again, you have no idea what you're talking about and choose to talk anyway.
As to the 2nd element, Mueller went to invent a new legal status of not innocent because he could not conclusively prove guilt. This is what Barr objected to most strenuously, because it upends the primary foundation of American law, innocent until proven guilty. If a person cannot be proven guilty, that person is innocent in the eyes of the justice system. As long as Robert Mueller has been an officer of that justice system, its a standard he shouldn't need to violate for anyone for any reason.
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A. No, Mueller didn't do that. That's straight out of your fantasy life. He was prevented from doing anything else because of OLC official policy. There was no trial, so no one was even up for being 'proven guilty'.
B. Barr utterly mischaracterized the report and then lied under oath to Congress about it.
C. OOJ was established. Obstruction of Justice in the Mueller Report: A Heat Map - Lawfare
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
No, he never said that, as has been demonstrated to you countless times here, and yet you still tautologically parrot the same lies.

Collusion and OOJ were both established in the report.

The one you live in fear of reading.
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Another sucker. No wonder liberals say such stupid things. They have an army of dopes willing to believe anything they say.
 
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Fletch said:
Another sucker. No wonder liberals say such stupid things. They have an army of dopes willing to believe anything they say.
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Tanngrisnir said:
But, of course, it actually was. That it wasn't pursued is irrelevant to that.

Mueller Found Evidence of Collusion - The Moscow Project

Guide to the Mueller Report’s Findings on “Collusion” - Just Security

Yet again, you have no idea what you're talking about and choose to talk anyway.

A. No, Mueller didn't do that. That's straight out of your fantasy life. He was prevented from doing anything else because of OLC official policy. There was no trial, so no one was even up for being 'proven guilty'.
B. Barr utterly mischaracterized the report and then lied under oath to Congress about it.
C. OOJ was established. Obstruction of Justice in the Mueller Report: A Heat Map - Lawfare
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Of your three sources, none are reliable.

I give you Robert Mueller:

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/muell...sion-in-report-pursued-conspiracy-64459845958

How do you like your crow? Roasted or fried?
 
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OpportunityCost said:
Collusion was not established in the report because collusion isn't a crime and thus, it was not pursued in the investigation. What Mueller pursued was criminal conspiracy. Mueller himself testified to this regarding his report.

As to the 2nd element, Mueller went to invent a new legal status of not innocent because he could not conclusively prove guilt. This is what Barr objected to most strenuously, because it upends the primary foundation of American law, innocent until proven guilty. If a person cannot be proven guilty, that person is innocent in the eyes of the justice system. As long as Robert Mueller has been an officer of that justice system, its a standard he shouldn't need to violate for anyone for any reason.
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Plus if the report clearly outlines collusion and obstruction of justice, why was that not part of the impeachment articles?
 
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Fletch said:
Another sucker. No wonder liberals say such stupid things. They have an army of dopes willing to believe anything they say.
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Always happy to expose your ignorance and watch you run from your own claims.
 
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OpportunityCost said:
Of your three sources, none are reliable.

I give you Robert Mueller:

Mueller: "We don'''t use the word collusion" in report, pursued conspiracy

How do you like your crow? Roasted or fried?
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Yes, they are reliable, and they use direct citations from the report itself, substantiating the establishment of obstruction.

You wouldn't know. You've never read it.

It's always rather bracing to see your dishonesty on full display.
 
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Fletch said:
Is that
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There is no way your post could be construed as anything more than cheerleading. Just own it. You got a good shake and kick, a wiggle and up. Top form.
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
Always happy to expose your ignorance and watch you run from your own claims.
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Im not running from anything. You are the one making the preposterous claim that the Mueller report is full of evidence of Trump crimes yet your party wont use it to impeach him. Seems to me your problem is with the House democrats, not me. Take it up with them
 
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DiAnna said:
Oh, I actually saw that show! After Parnas had showed his handwritten notes, and text messages indicating that what he said was basically true, and could be corroborated, Rachel did reach out the Bob Barr's DOJ (aka Trump's personal axe man), and the response was "100% false". So this will be interesting when the investigation by the House and/or Senate continues to pile up new documents/evidence!

Bob Barr's DOJ is a joke, as we all learned when he completely mischaracterized the content of the Mueller Report. You choose to believe Barr because you like what he's saying; I choose not to, because he fluffs & carries water for the President, who is the world's biggest liar. :shrug:
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Indeed, Di! As is SOP for Mycroft either he doesn't respond to requests for verification or - as in this case - his response is shady at best.

Yes, the DOJ said that Parnas' statement was "100% false" BUT ONLY CONCERNING TO AG BARR. And of course the DOJ would say that. Flynn said the accusations against him were 100% false, until it was determined that the accusations were true. Same with Manafort, same with a host of others. Of course Barr is going to deny any involvement, as is Nunes, as is Guiliani, as is Hyde and so on.

More to the point, Mycroft's response was incorrect and misleading. The DOJ has never said that Parnas statements regarding Ukraine are 100% False.
 
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Fletch said:
Im not running from anything. You are the one making the preposterous claim that the Mueller report is full of evidence of Trump crimes yet your party wont use it to impeach him. Seems to me your problem is with the House democrats, not me. Take it up with them
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You claimed there was no collusion in the Mueller Report. There was as was clearly shown. There is evidence of crimes in the report. You fear reading it.

Now that your claim has been completely dismantled, your only recourse is to try and distract from that fact and run from it.

Meh. There is nothing new under the sun.
 
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ecofarm said:
There is no way your post could be construed as anything more than cheerleading. Just own it. You got a good shake and kick, a wiggle and up. Top form.
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Pointing out that the left is filled with suckers and fools isnt really cheer leading. Its more mocking than anything else.
 
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Fletch said:
Yet democrats just impeached the president and included exactly nothing from the Mueller report. You know why? Because they know there is nothing in it. They dont want you to know that, but I just told you. So now you have no excuse to continue with such ignorant responses.
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You said, "[Mueller] said there was no collusion and no obstruction." That is FALSE. Read the report. What you claimed isn't there, and is in fact contradicted by the report. Tres quoted from it.

Moving the goal posts to what the Democrats included in their articles of impeachment does not salvage your false claim. If you wanted to make the claim about what the Democrats did not include, that's fine, make it instead of a claim that is false.
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
You claimed there was no collusion in the Mueller Report. There was as was clearly shown. There is evidence of crimes in the report. You fear reading it.

Now that your claim has been completely dismantled, your only recourse is to try and distract from that fact and run from it.

Meh. There is nothing new under the sun.
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I have read it and so did the democrats in congress. They agree with me not you collusion truthers. Sorry.
 
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Fletch said:
Pointing out that the left is filled with suckers and fools isnt really cheer leading. Its more mocking than anything else.
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This is a debate website, not Facebook.
 
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Fletch said:
I have read it and so did the democrats in congress. They agree with me not you collusion truthers. Sorry.
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No, you haven't. I really not interested in what exists only in your imagination.
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
Yes, they are reliable, and they use direct citations from the report itself, substantiating the establishment of obstruction.

You wouldn't know. You've never read it.

It's always rather bracing to see your dishonesty on full display.
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So you use unreliable, biased sources, I use the guy that ran the investigation. Its easy to see why you need to attack me as a person with the dishonesty horse****....you know you are wrong.
 
annata said:
The Intelligence Committee ( House) hasn't had any Intel meetings in a long time because it handled impeachment ( not Intel)
Trump is not the problem there -the Schiff show was
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Well, that's not true according to Schiff, and IIRC, the entire gang of eight has not been informed of intelligence activities, including the assassination of certain Iranian officials... which is frankly unheard of.
 
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Fletch said:
I have read it and so did the democrats in congress. They agree with me not you collusion truthers. Sorry.
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It’s always sad to watch the Trumpsters who clearly haven’t read the report make false claims about what it said.
 
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