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Nunes aide communicated with Parnas about Ukraine campaign, messages show

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Mycroft said:
Those documents MIGHT be lies. If they are, then Nunes might not be lying. In any event, what makes you think Nunes had any contact with that criminal who's trying to save his ass? That's like saying that Schiffty had contact with Ciaramella...which Schiffty continues to deny. Or...like all progressives, liberals and Trump haters are you pretending not to know things?
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You tap dance divinely.... :roll:

Nutty Nunes at first denied every speaking to Paras but after Paras produced these documents you doubt 'SUDDENLY' Nunes recalls a 'meaningless' conversation.... :doh

But your whataboutism is duly and sadly noted...

Deflect, deny, and demand.... tRump on!!!!!! :peace
 
jpn said:
While Nunes was presiding over the House impeachment inquiry, taking every opportunity to mock the very idea of a conspiracy to coerce Ukraine to dig up dirt on Trump's political opponent, he actually knew the allegations were true.

I hope Hell has a special place for treasonous liars like Devin Nunes.
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Nothing.

Burger.

Also, partisan garbage.

Trump til 2025.
 
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Mycroft said:
Those documents MIGHT be lies. If they are, then Nunes might not be lying.
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And the hits just keep coming:

WASHINGTON — House Democrats released another round of information on Friday that raised questions about elements of the impeachment inquiry, including allegations about the surveillance of the United States ambassador in Ukraine and efforts by an aide to a top congressional Republican to pursue investigations sought by President Trump.
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The documents released by House Democrats included WhatsApp messages between Mr. Parnas and Derek Harvey, an aide to Representative Devin Nunes of California, the top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee and a leading defender of Mr. Trump.

Mr. Nunes has suggested that Mr. Trump and his allies were justified in pressuring the Ukrainian government to investigate former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., his family and Ukrainians who released information about Mr. Trump’s 2016 campaign chairman, Paul Manafort.

The WhatsApp messages show Mr. Harvey working with Mr. Parnas to arrange interviews with Ukrainian officials who claimed wrongdoing by the Bidens and by Ukrainians in 2016.

The messages also suggest that Mr. Harvey, a retired Army colonel who previously served on the National Security Council under Mr. Trump, met at the Trump International Hotel in Washington with Mr. Parnas, Mr. Giuliani and John Solomon, a conservative journalist who worked closely with Mr. Parnas on articles that injected the Ukrainian officials’ claims into the conservative media, reinforcing the pressure campaign.
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I wonder who is running against Nunes this fall? All he or she should have to do is play Nunes at the Impeachment hearings mocking and ridiculing the notion that Trump tried to blackmail Ukraine while knowing full well that the notion was actually true, over, and over, and over.
 
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In any pre-Trump America, Nunes career would have been over with and his party would be forcing him to resign, at the very least.
 
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The hypocrisy by nearly every progressive Democrat on the forum I've seen and by the Democratic Party is this:

The Democratic officials and persons within various federal agencies - all using federal money to do so - are seeking information from foreign governments against Trump, his staff and Republican officials - and this is GREAT investigatory work, the best task of our government.

However, if the Republicans do exactly the same thing seeking information from foreign governments against their opponents and Democratic officials, it is not only basis for removal from office, but a major felony crime.

And, BTW, what Joe Biden did for his son was A-OK. And Obama himself agreed to this because Joe Biden said the President did.

It doesn't get any more absurdly hypocritical.
 
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joko104 said:
The hypocrisy by nearly every progressive Democrat on the forum I've seen and by the Democratic Party is this:

The Democratic officials and persons within various federal agencies - all using federal money to do so - are seeking information from foreign governments against Trump, his staff and Republican officials - and this is GREAT investigatory work, the best task of our government.

However, if the Republicans do exactly the same thing seeking information from foreign governments against their opponents and Democratic officials, it is not only basis for removal from office, but a major felony crime.

And, BTW, what Joe Biden did for his son was A-OK. And Obama himself agreed to this because Joe Biden said the President did.

It doesn't get any more absurdly hypocritical.
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And they base this entire hypocrisy on uncorroborated stuff from a guy who is desperate to make any deal that'll save his ass from prison.

The Trump administration has said that Parnas is 100% false. The Ukrainians have called him a liar. But that doesn't matter to the Trump haters. To them, it's a crime...even if it's not...and they are all guilty...even if there's no proof.
 
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Mycroft said:
And they base this entire hypocrisy on uncorroborated stuff from a guy who is desperate to make any deal that'll save his ass from prison.

The Trump administration has said that Parnas is 100% false. The Ukrainians have called him a liar. But that doesn't matter to the Trump haters. To them, it's a crime...even if it's not...and they are all guilty...even if there's no proof.
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It'll have to be corroborated to make it stick as most Americans familiar with our legal system know.

The Trump administration can be counted upon one thing: to lie its ass off to save itself.

A person doesn't have to be a Trump-hater, a dem-hater, an Obama-hater, a Pelosi-hater or any kind of hater to seek both what is best for our nation and for justice.
 
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Mycroft said:
At least get your facts straight. Nunes never presided over the House impeachment inquiry...unless you somehow think he and Schiffty look alike. (shudder)

Now all you have to do is find out if those text messages are, in fact, facts...and not lies.
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What motivation does Lev Parnas have to lie? He's already under indictment. Also how do electronic messages lie? Unless someone went through a whole bunch of hoops to think it all up months ago not knowing they were going to be indicted.

Knowing Nunes's excitement since 2017 to work for Trumpland, I would bet my next paycheck it's all true.

Aren't comittee members also under oath when conducting an investigation as heavy as impeachment? If so, Nunes would be in deep sh**. He is a common liar just like the rest of Trumpland.
 
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Mycroft said:
And they base this entire hypocrisy on uncorroborated stuff from a guy who is desperate to make any deal that'll save his ass from prison.

The Trump administration has said that Parnas is 100% false. The Ukrainians have called him a liar. But that doesn't matter to the Trump haters. To them, it's a crime...even if it's not...and they are all guilty...even if there's no proof.
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You people are really trying to stretch this proof stuff. Lev's statements have nearly already been corroborated by all the documents he's provided and by the sworn testimony of some of the witnesses. He has no deal with the SDNY to cooperate about the impeachment scandal. They have him on campaign finance violations for donating to the Trump super pac and others.

he has provided dates and times that match other testimony. With a small grain of salt, he is a very good witness. I think you'll be surprised with the senate trial.
 
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Rising Sun said:
It'll have to be corroborated to make it stick as most Americans familiar with our legal system know.

The Trump administration can be counted upon one thing: to lie its ass off to save itself.

A person doesn't have to be a Trump-hater, a dem-hater, an Obama-hater, a Pelosi-hater or any kind of hater to seek both what is best for our nation and for justice.
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And therein lies the rub. What some people think is "best for our nation and for justice" is removing...by any means necessary...a threat to their corrupt system. And that means includes creating false, uncorroborated "evidence. It's been done before...and it failed. I think it's being done again.
 
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The AntiDonald said:
What motivation does Lev Parnas have to lie? He's already under indictment. Also how do electronic messages lie? Unless someone went through a whole bunch of hoops to think it all up months ago not knowing they were going to be indicted.

Knowing Nunes's excitement since 2017 to work for Trumpland, I would bet my next paycheck it's all true.

Aren't comittee members also under oath when conducting an investigation as heavy as impeachment? If so, Nunes would be in deep sh**. He is a common liar just like the rest of Trumpland.
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An indictment isn't a conviction. Parnas is motivated to make sure he doesn't get convicted.

Those "electronic messages"? All I've seen are pictures of printouts. Printouts can be manufactured. And yes...Parnas has been under indictment for months and under investigation for even longer.

Nunes hasn't done anything illegal, though there are a lot of people who don't like what he's been doing. Those people will use any means necessary to minimize his ability to be a threat, too.
 
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The AntiDonald said:
You people are really trying to stretch this proof stuff. Lev's statements have nearly already been corroborated by all the documents he's provided and by the sworn testimony of some of the witnesses. He has no deal with the SDNY to cooperate about the impeachment scandal. They have him on campaign finance violations for donating to the Trump super pac and others.

he has provided dates and times that match other testimony. With a small grain of salt, he is a very good witness. I think you'll be surprised with the senate trial.
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I think you don't really know nearly as much as you say you know. I haven't seen any of this corroboration. I haven't seen any of this sworn testimony. Like me, I don't think you have any idea what kind of deal he might be making with SDNY.

But unlike you, I don't think he'll step foot in the Senate chamber. The Trump haters aren't that stupid. His credibility will be shredded if he does. The best the Trump haters can do is refer to these "documents" you think he has, but that won't be enough.

No...the Trump haters know the only value of this Parnas nonsense is in the media...and that's where it'll stay.
 
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Mycroft said:
And therein lies the rub. What some people think is "best for our nation and for justice" is removing...by any means necessary...a threat to their corrupt system. And that means includes creating false, uncorroborated "evidence. It's been done before...and it failed. I think it's being done again.
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Agreed that "best for our nation and for justice" is debatable. This is why it's good that our government be a balanced government of Left and Right, not hugely dominated by one or the other.

Anyone who is guilty of "creating false, uncorroborated "evidence", regardless of party, should be prosecuted.
 
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Mycroft said:
And therein lies the rub. What some people think is "best for our nation and for justice" is removing...by any means necessary...a threat to their corrupt system. And that means includes creating false, uncorroborated "evidence. It's been done before...and it failed. I think it's being done again.
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You have no evidence what we've seen has been fabricated. You can't explain how it would happen, or why a guy under indictment would be motivated to commit perjury by presenting false evidence about the most powerful person on the planet, with access to Barr's DoJ, FBI, and the best lawyers in the country, all of them motivated to verify, or debunk, everything he claims. Anything of substance will be subjected to immense scrutiny. He knows this. His lawyers are competent and know this. Him fabricating claims makes all his current problems FAR, FAR worse.

So you're just shooting the messenger. It's SAD!
 
jpn said:
While Nunes was presiding over the House impeachment inquiry, taking every opportunity to mock the very idea of a conspiracy to coerce Ukraine to dig up dirt on Trump's political opponent, he actually knew the allegations were true.

I hope Hell has a special place for treasonous liars like Devin Nunes.
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The investigation was for events leading up to the 2016 election you dolts.
 
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Mycroft said:
And they base this entire hypocrisy on uncorroborated stuff from a guy who is desperate to make any deal that'll save his ass from prison.

The Trump administration has said that Parnas is 100% false. The Ukrainians have called him a liar. But that doesn't matter to the Trump haters. To them, it's a crime...even if it's not...and they are all guilty...even if there's no proof.
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They inferred with Mueller and they inferred with this phone call to Zelensky. Absolutely no facts...Wishful thinking...Dem talking points...Another conspiracy theory.
 
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JasperL said:
You have no evidence what we've seen has been fabricated. You can't explain how it would happen, or why a guy under indictment would be motivated to commit perjury by presenting false evidence about the most powerful person on the planet, with access to Barr's DoJ, FBI, and the best lawyers in the country, all of them motivated to verify, or debunk, everything he claims. Anything of substance will be subjected to immense scrutiny. He knows this. His lawyers are competent and know this. Him fabricating claims makes all his current problems FAR, FAR worse.

So you're just shooting the messenger. It's SAD!
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I don't have to prove it was fabricated. In fact, I'm not saying it is. I'm saying that it could be. I'm saying that the motivation to fabricate this stuff exists. It's up to those presenting that "evidence" to prove that it is factual.
 
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Mycroft said:
I think you don't really know nearly as much as you say you know. I haven't seen any of this corroboration. I haven't seen any of this sworn testimony. Like me, I don't think you have any idea what kind of deal he might be making with SDNY.

But unlike you, I don't think he'll step foot in the Senate chamber. The Trump haters aren't that stupid. His credibility will be shredded if he does. The best the Trump haters can do is refer to these "documents" you think he has, but that won't be enough.

No...the Trump haters know the only value of this Parnas nonsense is in the media...and that's where it'll stay.
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Did you forget it's the GOP running the Senate trial, and can subpoena him to appear, and he's said he will? And Barr's DoJ seized his phones. They have the originals. Why would he fabricate something Barr's people can prove is false because they are in possession of the actual documents/texts/phone records? Is your argument Barr is a "Trump hater" or the DoJ Deep State is working against the AG? It makes no sense at any level.
 
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Mycroft said:
At least get your facts straight. Nunes never presided over the House impeachment inquiry...unless you somehow think he and Schiffty look alike. (shudder)

Now all you have to do is find out if those text messages are, in fact, facts...and not lies.
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Quite true. If the source is Parnas, isn't he presently indicted for fabricating documents and lying? So clearly not a reliable source of information.

So to the Democrats, Parnas is Cohen redux. I suspect it'll turn out much the same.

Mycroft said:
Those documents MIGHT be lies. If they are, then Nunes might not be lying.

In any event, what makes you think Nunes had any contact with that criminal who's trying to save his ass?

That's like saying that Schiffty had contact with Ciaramella...which Schiffty continues to deny.

Or...like all progressives, liberals and Trump haters are you pretending not to know things?
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Agreed.

Mycroft said:
And they base this entire hypocrisy on uncorroborated stuff from a guy who is desperate to make any deal that'll save his ass from prison.

The Trump administration has said that Parnas is 100% false. The Ukrainians have called him a liar. But that doesn't matter to the Trump haters. To them, it's a crime...even if it's not...and they are all guilty...even if there's no proof.
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Of course not. It aligns with the Democrat's preferred political narrative, and that's all that matters, facts and reality be damned.
 
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JasperL said:
You have no evidence what we've seen has been fabricated. You can't explain how it would happen, or why a guy under indictment would be motivated to commit perjury by presenting false evidence about the most powerful person on the planet, with access to Barr's DoJ, FBI, and the best lawyers in the country, all of them motivated to verify, or debunk, everything he claims. Anything of substance will be subjected to immense scrutiny. He knows this. His lawyers are competent and know this. Him fabricating claims makes all his current problems FAR, FAR worse.

So you're just shooting the messenger. It's SAD!
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There is no need to prove what Parnas is allegeding is true. You have to prove that what Parnas, Trump, Giuliani and others in the Trump administration allegedly participated in was an effort to effect the 2020 election.
 
jpn said:
While Nunes was presiding over the House impeachment inquiry, taking every opportunity to mock the very idea of a conspiracy to coerce Ukraine to dig up dirt on Trump's political opponent, he actually knew the allegations were true.

I hope Hell has a special place for treasonous liars like Devin Nunes.
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Keep promoting this witch hunt which the American people couldn't care less about as they are focused on taking care of their families which they should be. You cannot win the issues debate so to return to that attempt to create a liberal utopia you make up crap to support your ideology. Just another Anti Trump thread supported by the same group of anti Trump radicals who have no understanding of the Constitution or the real role of the President. Let me help you here

Gatestone Institute

Trump Had Right to Withhold Ukraine Funds:

GAO is Wrong

by Alan M. Dershowitz • January 17, 2020 at 7:00 pm

The Constitution allocates to the president sole authority over foreign policy (short of declaring war or signing a treaty). It does not permit Congress to substitute its foreign policy preferences for those of the president.

To the extent that the statute at issue constrains the power of the president to conduct foreign policy, it is unconstitutional.

Even if the GAO were correct in its legal conclusion — which it is not — the alleged violation would be neither a crime nor an impeachable offense. It would be a civil violation subject to a civil remedy, as were the numerous violations alleged by the GAO with regard to other presidents.

If Congress and its GAO truly believe that President Trump violated the law, let them go to court and seek the civil remedy provided by the law.
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JasperL said:
You have no evidence what we've seen has been fabricated. You can't explain how it would happen, or why a guy under indictment would be motivated to commit perjury by presenting false evidence about the most powerful person on the planet, with access to Barr's DoJ, FBI, and the best lawyers in the country, all of them motivated to verify, or debunk, everything he claims. Anything of substance will be subjected to immense scrutiny. He knows this. His lawyers are competent and know this. Him fabricating claims makes all his current problems FAR, FAR worse.

So you're just shooting the messenger. It's SAD!
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You haven't been reading what I've said, have you.

I've explained how it could happen. I've presented the motivation.

You are correct. This WILL be subjected to immense scrutiny. Heck, even Tapper from CNN is telling you not to automatically believe this stuff.

But you are not correct that things will be "FAR, FAR worse" if this turns out to be bunk. He'll have served his purpose and he'll be rewarded.
 
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Mycroft said:
I don't have to prove it was fabricated. In fact, I'm not saying it is. I'm saying that it could be. I'm saying that the motivation to fabricate this stuff exists. It's up to those presenting that "evidence" to prove that it is factual.
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Well, yes, and I "could" win the lottery. But in the meantime I'm not worth $300 million.

What you're failing to do is offer any evidence or argument that the evidence has been fabricated or why a guy in the crosshairs of Barr and the DoJ would do such a thing when the DoJ has had his phones, and therefore access to the originals, for weeks, and he knows that everything he says will be subjected to immense scrutiny, and the people with the most power and the means to disprove his allegations ALL WORK FOR TRUMP.
 
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Mycroft said:
You haven't been reading what I've said, have you.

I've explained how it could happen. I've presented the motivation.

You are correct. This WILL be subjected to immense scrutiny. Heck, even Tapper from CNN is telling you not to automatically believe this stuff.

But you are not correct that things will be "FAR, FAR worse" if this turns out to be bunk. He'll have served his purpose and he'll be rewarded.
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Barr is going to reward him for falsely attacking his boss? :lamo
 
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JasperL said:
Barr is going to reward him for falsely attacking his boss? :lamo
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Why would you think Barr has anything to do with this?
 
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