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Trump: "Kurds Not Angels... PKK Worse Than ISIS"

Rogue Valley said:
The oil in central Syria was enough to keep the ISIS Caliphate in the black.

Convoys of ISIS fuel-oil trucks wound up at Turkish ports on the Mediterranean to be loaded into tankers.

Erdogan had no problem at all with the arrangement. He got his cut.
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That oil was coming from the Iraqi black market, Kurdish oil. As I mentioned earlier, the Turks were using ISIS as a subterfuge, their only target is the Kurds. "What a tangled web we weave."
 
Lisa said:
I live in the Clinton sandstone which overlies the Utica shale. I am well aware of the geology and the drilling process. The only club that I was in during high school was the egology club.
The Utica shale in this area is not financially profitable for extraction. 3 wells have been drilled and none have been frac'd because they are either dry or so low in gas that it was a waste of money.
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Then you should know better.
 
OldFatGuy said:
I understand Trump is licensed for use in Turkey. The hotel is not his.
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Glad to see you did a little research and learned something today. We come along from laughing at the idea of a Trump Hotel in Turkey.

The actual ownership of the hotel is moot. He has his name on it and he derives revenue from it, therefore he has an asset in Turkey. He may not own the building, but he is profound interest in it, hence the comments he made to Brietbart that he may have a conflict of interest.

...and, we can see the active threats to Trump's financial interest which may keep him up at night and/or may have him eating out of Erdogan's hands during the day.

Trump Towers Istanbul - Wikipedia
 
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bomberfox said:
More like a quote from marx, engles, lenin, kropotkin, etc. also you should properly source your claim.
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No, Leon Gelb. He didn't need help. You can hear him yourself. Watch the movie Reds, he says it as he is interviewed about 10 Days That Shook the World and John Reed. Gelb was tied into the corrupt LA Police, the fascist Mexican Sanquistos, an assortment of drug dealers, extortionists, pornographers, blackmailers, heist men, wetback smugglers, Japanese fifth columnists, a whole bunch of other "nice" people as well as the CP. Enjoy the movie.

Perhaps you should read the people you mention before making assumptions.
 
bomberfox said:
It cannot be denied that Fascism and similar movements aimed at the establishment of dictatorships are full of the best intentions and that their intervention has for the moment saved European civilization. The merit that Fascism has thereby won for itself will live on eternally in history. Ludwig Von Mises

Hitler privatized several state owned industries and he was supported by German capitalists just not jewish capitalists. Zyklon B is a brand name made by a private company. Krupp, Flick, and others still kept their private fortunes all through the third reich. Krupp only lost his fortunes and his company after being found guilty in the Nuremberg trials. Unlike you, i dont quote mine. Fascism is powered by capitalism and did several favors for capitalists. Its why Milton Friedman and Frederick Hayek saw fit to test their theories in Pinochet’s Chile.

Fascism is therefore opposed to Socialism to which unity within the State (which amalgamates classes into a single economic and ethical reality) is unknown, and which sees in history nothing but the class struggle. Fascism is likewise opposed to trade unionism as a class weapon. But when brought within the orbit of the State, Fascism recognizes the real needs which gave rise to socialism and trade unionism, giving them due weight in the guild or corporative system in which divergent interests are coordinated and harmonized in the unity of the State (16).

Mussolini - THE DOCTRINE OF FASCISM

Dinesh D’souza is that you?!
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Ah, an irrelevant thesis of anecdotes. How boring.
 
uptower said:
Trump Towers Istanbul - Wikipedia

And he wants buildings in Moscow too. It's all about his bottom line.
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Ah, there's the rub. He couldn't cut a deal. No one was interested in licensing his name. Russians are pragmatic and won't pay for what they don't need. Franchising is easy money, and very little risk.
 
upsideguy said:
Glad to see you did a little research and learned something today. We come along from laughing at the idea of a Trump Hotel in Turkey
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The man's a promotor. Your political talking points meaningless drivel.
 
Geoist said:
Like many statements from Trump, it isn't true. But Trump just likes to exaggerate. Nothing wrong with that, right?
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It appears you've taken exception to it because you believe it implies all (or most) Kurds are PKK terrorists, which clearly isn't true.

However, one can easily dispute whether such an implication actually exists. If we conclude that it does not, his statement, as transcribed, is true. The PKK has carried out far more attacks on Turkish soil and killed far more Turkish civilians than ISIS ever will. More broadly, the various Peshmerga (factions of Kurdish fighters) are experts at guerilla warfare, renowned for being particularly vicious when attacking both their enemies and each other (in their many civil wars).

There's no exaggeration in the statement.
 
Geoist said:
Are you siding with Trump in the claim that they are worse than ISIS? That is what my thread is about. Not whether or not the PKK are terrorists (which is not as black and white as you want to make it). But then again, as a puritanical libertarian, everything is black and white to you, isn't it?
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There is no such thing as a "good" terrorist- either youre a terrorist or youre not. If any group attacks civilians then they get to sympathy or support from me.

Geoist said:
They have fought for independence while being oppressed for years. Hmmm, what other country went through that, I wonder?
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Independence? Do you realize that the US will have to fight a war against Syria and Turkey if they wish to support this Kurdish independence, right?
 
Risky Thicket said:
So as far as you are concerned that justifies Trump betraying the Kurds, stabbing them in the back, causing a humanitarian crisis in northeastern Syria, forcing the Kurds to align themselves with Assad, ceding hard fought gains to Russia and Iran, the release of ISIS prisoners, monumental repercussions to US intelligence gathering in the region, endangerment of the lives of US military personnel and causing harm to US foreign relations?

Why weren't you advocating for the betrayal of the Kurds long ago when they were allied with us?
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truth
 
Outlook said:
The US has been in bed with a lot of evil countries and organizations now and in the past.
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Like how trump and kim jong fell in love?
 
Geoist said:
“But the Kurds know how to fight,” Trump continued. “And, as I said, they’re not angels. They’re not angels, if you take a look … The PKK, which is a part of the Kurds … is probably worse at terror, more of a terrorist threat in many ways, than ISIS.”

Trump: Kurds Are ‘Not Angels’ – They’re Worse ‘Than ISIS’

I know the Trumpcult will find a way to defend this latest moronic statement from Dear Leader...
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The Kurds never terrorized?
 
Drawdown said:
I have been saying it from the get and have provided links to show he is correct. Truth needs no defense.
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Then again they're fighting for their homeland. When Israel pull such rubbish, they get defended.
 
poweRob said:
Like how trump and kim jong fell in love?
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Yea, just like Obama and Castro fell in love and the Clintons and Saudis fell in love. How can you not love someone who gives you millions for your foundation. How much are the Saudis donating now?
 
OldFatGuy said:
No, Leon Gelb. He didn't need help. You can hear him yourself. Watch the movie Reds, he says it as he is interviewed about 10 Days That Shook the World and John Reed. Gelb was tied into the corrupt LA Police, the fascist Mexican Sanquistos, an assortment of drug dealers, extortionists, pornographers, blackmailers, heist men, wetback smugglers, Japanese fifth columnists, a whole bunch of other "nice" people as well as the CP. Enjoy the movie.

Perhaps you should read the people you mention before making assumptions.
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Lol a movie with one guy then you invent connections whereas i provide actual documentation and several sources... japanese fifth columnist lol! Its a red scare movie. across the spectrum of socialist, communist, and anarchist thinkers (btw anarchism is left wing) ok professor...
 
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OldFatGuy said:
Ah, an irrelevant thesis of anecdotes. How boring.
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Anecdotes? You think historical documentation are anecdotes? :lamo Trump loves the poorly educated.
 
PoS said:
There is no such thing as a "good" terrorist- either youre a terrorist or youre not. If any group attacks civilians then they get to sympathy or support from me.



Independence? Do you realize that the US will have to fight a war against Syria and Turkey if they wish to support this Kurdish independence, right?
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Great Trump could have pulled military aid when civilians could have been saved but he continues to fund the saudis who do that very thing.
 
apdst said:
The PKK is communist.

Kurdistan Workers' Party - Wikipedia

Of course you all will hail them as heroes.
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You are correct sir! From your link: "Starting in 1984, the PKK transformed into a paramilitary group, using training camps in Turkey, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and France. At the same time, some of its members started to get training by the members of the Palestine Liberation Organization who themselves were trained by Soviet personnel in Lebanon's Bekaa Valley in Syrian-controlled camps. According to the U. S. government reports, the PKK received significant support by Syria, which allowed it to maintain headquarters in Damascus, as well as by Iran, Iraq, and Libya. It later began to launch attacks and bombings against Turkish governmental installations, the military, and various institutions of the state. The organization focused on attacks against Turkish military targets in Turkey, although civilian targets were also hit. The group started to gain publicity after committing political killings and massacres.[37][38][39][40]
 
bomberfox said:
Lol a movie with one guy then you invent connections whereas i provide actual documentation and several sources... japanese fifth columnist lol! Its a red scare movie. across the spectrum of socialist, communist, and anarchist thinkers (btw anarchism is left wing) ok professor...
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Watch the movie. Obviously you haven't. It was not a red scare movie.

Do you also burn books before reading them?
 
bomberfox said:
Anecdotes? You think historical documentation are anecdotes? :lamo Trump loves the poorly educated.
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That's all you offered. Selected anecdotes.
 
PoS said:
There is no such thing as a "good" terrorist- either youre a terrorist or youre not. If any group attacks civilians then they get to sympathy or support from me.



Independence? Do you realize that the US will have to fight a war against Syria and Turkey if they wish to support this Kurdish independence, right?
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By your claim the American colonists were terrorists when they attacked the British using guerilla tactics of hit and run instead iof open field planned battles.


When you disagree with them you call them terrorists, but when they are fighting for your allies or goals that you support then they are termed freedom fighters.
 
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