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Trump: "Kurds Not Angels... PKK Worse Than ISIS"

uptower said:
It's true they are 'no angels' but they are not 'worse' than ISIS, nor do they represent the entire Kurdish population or its nascent nation. Trump isn't just throwing the PKK under the bus, they were never a US ally anyway - he is throwing all Kurdish fighters and the whole Syrian Kurdish region under the bus.

And he's not doing it because of 'child soldiers' he is doing it because pof his freaking hotels.

Do not mention 'me' and my values again in a post. Stick to the topic. Stick to the Kurds and Trump.
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You just proved that you condone the conscripting of child soldiers. How disgusting.
 
apdst said:
Democrats are communists.
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$20 says that you cannot properly define communist or socialist. The vast majority of of people cannot.
 
Geoist said:
“But the Kurds know how to fight,” Trump continued. “And, as I said, they’re not angels. They’re not angels, if you take a look … The PKK, which is a part of the Kurds … is probably worse at terror, more of a terrorist threat in many ways, than ISIS.”

Trump: Kurds Are ‘Not Angels’ – They’re Worse ‘Than ISIS’

I know the Trumpcult will find a way to defend this latest moronic statement from Dear Leader...
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Trump has said plenty of stupid things, but this is one situation where he continues to bury himself deeper and deeper by repeating Erdogan's rhetoric. Are the PKK angels? Of course not, but to compare them to ISIS which have a completely different mandate is really ignorant. Maybe Trump can let us know when the PKK was bringing in scores of foreigners to aid in their jihad. The moment Trump looked like an absolute pillock was when he made the comment about the Kurds not fighting with the US at Normandy. From that point on he's made himself out to be a bigger fool than any media outlet could make him out to be.
 
Lisa said:
$20 says that you cannot properly define communist or socialist. The vast majority of of people cannot.
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com·mu·nism
/ˈkämyəˌnizəm/
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noun
a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.

so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
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noun
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Trump has said plenty of stupid things, but this is one situation where he continues to bury himself deeper and deeper by repeating Erdogan's rhetoric. Are the PKK angels? Of course not, but to compare them to ISIS which have a completely different mandate is really ignorant. Maybe Trump can let us know when the PKK was bringing in scores of foreigners to aid in their jihad. The moment Trump looked like an absolute pillock was when he made the comment about the Kurds not fighting with the US at Normandy. From that point on he's made himself out to be a bigger fool than any media outlet could make him out to be.
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You should do a little homework before making that claim.

Kurdistan Workers' Party - Wikipedia
 
apdst said:
com·mu·nism
/ˈkämyəˌnizəm/
Learn to pronounce
noun
a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.

so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
Learn to pronounce
noun
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
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The Communism definition is correct, The definition of Socialism isn't totally correct. The workers can control the means of production as private groups without the state being involved. You also forgot to note that neither groups need or even desire an authoritarian abusive government, despite what many people appear to believe.

Our aim is of necessity more modest. In what follows, we are concerned to present the main features of socialism, both as a critique of capitalism, and as a proposal for its replacement. Our focus is predominantly on literature written within a philosophical idiom, focusing in particular on philosophical writing on socialism produced during the past forty-or-so years. Furthermore, our discussion concentrates on the normative contrast between socialism and capitalism as economic systems. Both socialism and capitalism grant workers legal control of their labor power, but socialism, unlike capitalism, requires that the bulk of the means of production workers use to yield goods and services be under the effective control of workers themselves, rather than in the hands of the members of a different, capitalist class under whose direction they must toil. As we will explain below, this contrast has been articulated further in different ways, and socialists have not only made distinctive claims regarding economic organization but also regarding the processes of transformation fulfilling them and the principles and ideals orienting their justification (including, as we will see, certain understandings of freedom, equality, solidarity, and democracy).[1]
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Lisa said:
The Communism definition is correct, The definition of Socialism isn't totally correct. The workers can control the means of production as private groups without the state being involved. You also forgot to note that neither groups need or even desire an authoritarian abusive government, despite what many people appear to believe.
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The bottomline is: both are the same and both deprive the citizenry of it's civil liberties, to one degree, or another. I oppose both.
 
apdst said:
Your smartass post proves that you bombed. :lamo
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Not at all. You just have no position on this and just choose to equivocate two groups with entirely different agendas and then say "OH YEAH? BUT THEY'RE TERRORISTS TOO!" as a means of justifying Trump's idiotic remarks.
 
apdst said:
Democrats are communists.
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Let me know when they ignite a workers revolution against the bourgeoisie and bring it all under direct control of the proletariat. That red scare BS is as old as Lincoln who was called a communist by his opponents. Also i said communists are not fascists, nice dodge.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Not at all. You just have no position on this and just choose to equivocate two groups with entirely different agendas and then say "OH YEAH? BUT THEY'RE TERRORISTS TOO!" as a means of justifying Trump's idiotic remarks.
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There you go, defending terrorists. :lamo
 
bomberfox said:
Let me know when they ignite a workers revolution against the bourgeoisie and bring it all under direct control of the proletariat. That red scare BS is as old as Lincoln who was called a communist by his opponents. Also i said communists are not fascists, nice dodge.
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Link?
 
apdst said:
The bottomline is: both are the same and both deprive the citizenry of it's civil liberties, to one degree, or another. I oppose both.
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That doesnt make them the same. Fascism supports capital, communists dont.
 
apdst said:
There you go, defending terrorists. :lamo
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I don’t know how you got onto this water muddying but the issue of this thread is Trump trying to put the Kurds in bad light to suck up to Erdoğan. Today, Trump said that the Kurds were very happy with the situation, which, of course, they are not.

The entire situation not only lacks American leadership but displays negative leadership — letting Russia take charge of the region.
 
MTAtech said:
I don’t know how you got onto this water muddying but the issue of this thread is Trump trying to put the Kurds in bad light to suck up to Erdoğan. Today, Trump said that the Kurds were very happy with the situation, which, of course, they are not.
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No, the issue of this is to claim that there are no terrorist factions within the Kurdish population and that claim is absolutely incorrect.
 
uptower said:
It's true they are 'no angels' but they are not 'worse' than ISIS, nor do they represent the entire Kurdish population or its nascent nation. Trump isn't just throwing the PKK under the bus, they were never a US ally anyway - he is throwing all Kurdish fighters and the whole Syrian Kurdish region under the bus.

And he's not doing it because of 'child soldiers' he is doing it because pof his freaking hotels.

Do not mention 'me' and my values again in a post. Stick to the topic. Stick to the Kurds and Trump.
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Trump hotels in Syria and Turkey. :rofl
 
apdst said:
You people love anyone that Trump doesn't. It's all about "Truuuuuuuump!"...lol
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No, we hate the people that Trump loves: Putin, Jong-Un, Erdoğan, Xi Jinping, Mohammed bin Salman, the KKK, racists and his toadies; Rudy Giuliani, William Barr, Jim Jordan and Devin Nunes...
 
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Lisa said:
$20 says that you cannot properly define communist or socialist. The vast majority of of people cannot.
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Would you prefer a thesis or would you accept a quote from Leon Gelb, chairman of the American CP 1936-41? He said "Communism and fascism are sisters of the same coin, in guise to appear different, but fraternal twins." He was praised by both Stalin and Mussolini. Of course his tune changed when Germany invaded Russia, and he was deported in 1947 back to Romania.

Gelb's partners in crime, George Lincoln Rockwell and infamous California pimp/pastor Martin Luther Mimms, the Al Sharpton . (No relation to King)
 
OldFatGuy said:
Trump hotels in Syria and Turkey. :rofl
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You do realize there is a Trump hotel in Turkey, don't you?

Thanks for Visiting | The Trump Organization

...and you do realize he has already told us he has a conflict of interest in Turkey... that maybe we just witnessed playing out as he certainly put his interests ahead of US interests in his impulsive move against the Kurdish people.




Trump’s (Insane) Conflict of Interest on Turkey-Syria Policy
Asia Times | In Turkey, Trump has a ‘conflict of interest’ | Article

Once again, Trump chooses Trump over America
 
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