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Iran claims to have seized British oil tanker in strait of Hormuz

tosca1 said:
Iran has been calling for the annihilation of Israel.
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So have all the Arab/Muslim countries at one time or another...
 
Rexedgar said:
That dateline is four or five days ago. What is the relevance to today’s news?
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It was a response to another user regarding the UK releasing the tanker they seized a week ago. Basically, the UK said "We stopped that tanker not because it was Iranian but because it was headed for Syria. If you fine Iranians promise not to send oil to Syria we'll let your tanker go".
 
ecofarm said:
The tanker could not traverse legally or it would have. Iran knew this and thus the deception.

The UK tanker did not break international law nor fly a false flag.
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Nearly every ship in the world fly's flag of convenience

Iran might have had super secret sanctions on the UK, which the UK broke by transiting Iranian territory (of which parts of the Straights of Hormuz are, but still considered an international water way )
 
apdst said:
We had a strategic advantage because they would have had to occupy two fronts.

But, not now.
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Our forces in Afghanistan would not have been in position to launch any major strategic offensive into Iran.
 
Rexedgar said:
That dateline is four or five days ago. What is the relevance to today’s news?
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Seizing the Brit tankers is retaliation for the Brits seizing the Iranian boat. Try to keep up.
 
Taylor said:
What was the goal of that agreement?
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Move towards a normalization of relations with Iran, which was the only hope of stabilizing the situation going forward.
 
Lutherf said:
It was a response to another user regarding the UK releasing the tanker they seized a week ago. Basically, the UK said "We stopped that tanker not because it was Iranian but because it was headed for Syria. If you fine Iranians promise not to send oil to Syria we'll let your tanker go".
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Note quite an apology, but it is a " We Fooked up, if you let us keep face we will release the tanker" statement
 
Moon said:
Two British tankers? They seized a UAE flagged tanker yesterday.
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Yes 2 tankers- 1 Brit, the 2nd is Liberian flagged. So as to ownership???

Sanctions are biting the Iranian economy, last batch hit approx 10 % of their economy and this is an expected reaction by Iran.

During the Iraq/Iran war US and others escorted tankers thru the area.

I think that the EU should step up and provide Naval escorts.

I also include Saudi,UAE, Egypt as well

That said Iran sees that they are backed into a corner, from sanctions, and also consider after the sanctions were lifted, Iran expected an influx of billions from foreign investment, which did not happen.

And in times like this mistakes happen, recall the Iranian airliner mistakenly shot down by the US

Iran Air Flight 655 - Wikipedia
 
tosca1 said:
Not too long ago (Obama's last term), Israel was most concerned about the nuclear program of Iran.
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The Israeli’s have long had their own nuclear program.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Our forces in Afghanistan would not have been in position to launch any major strategic offensive into Iran.
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As they are, you're right. But, we have bases in place to accomadate a buildup.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Nearly every ship in the world fly's flag of convenience

Iran might have had super secret sanctions on the UK, which the UK broke by transiting Iranian territory (of which parts of the Straights of Hormuz are, but still considered an international water way )
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Venezuela is not a flag of convenience. It was a false flag.

Iran knew it was violating international law, thus the deception. The UK did not violate international law.
 
ecofarm said:
Venezuela is not a flag of convenience. It was a false flag.

Iran knew it was violating international law, thus the deception. The UK did not violate international law.
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What international law was broken? EU sanctions are not international laws, they are EU laws
 
Rexedgar said:
The Israeli’s have long had their own nuclear program.
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Irrelevant!

You asked me about my post! I'm simply explaining why I'm musing about Israel!
 
apdst said:
As they are, you're right. But, we have bases in place to accomadate a buildup.
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ISAF was entirely dependent on a very extended and vulnerable supply chain that was based around the willingness of local countries to let us fly through their airspace and transit through their country, both of which could have easily been severed given how Central Asia answers to Russia and Pakistan is an Iranian ally.

Had we gone to war with Iran during the timeframe of ISAF, the smartest thing to do would have been to pull out and redeploy those troops elsewhere.
 
WillyPete said:
Is there some reason not to view this in the light of Trump's policy changes on Iran?

Do you think Iran would be doing this today if Trump had not reinstated sanctions?
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That doesn't excuse Iran's actions.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
ISAF was entirely dependent on a very extended and vulnerable supply chain that was based around the willingness of local countries to let us fly through their airspace and transit through their country, both of which could have easily been severed given how Central Asia answers to Russia and Pakistan is an Iranian ally.

Had we gone to war with Iran during the timeframe of ISAF, the smartest thing to do would have been to pull out and redeploy those troops elsewhere.
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That's why a buildup of forces would have been necessary.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
What international law was broken? EU sanctions are not international laws, they are EU laws
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Traversing EU waters in violation of internationally legal and recognized sanction. Flying a false flag. I guess sneaking around Africa isn't illegal.

The UK tanker broke no law.
 
Phys251 said:
Thanks, Donald, for getting us out of the Iran nuclear treaty so that we'd have less leverage in crises such as these. :doh
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Yeah, we should have continued to kiss Iran's ass.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Move towards a normalization of relations with Iran, which was the only hope of stabilizing the situation going forward.
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If the goal were simply to "normalize relations" with Iran, we could simply drop the sanctions, call them allies, and help them in their efforts to obtain a nuclear weapon.
 
apdst said:
That's why a buildup of forces would have been necessary.
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Which would've been rendered useless once the Pakistani's said "You can't fly over our airspace anymore."
 
ecofarm said:
Traversing EU waters in violation of internationally legal and recognized sanction. Flying a false flag. I guess sneaking around Africa isn't illegal.

The UK tanker broke no law.
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The sanctions are not international sanctions they are EU sanctions, and the straits of gibraltar are considered an international water way.

So again what international law did Iran break
 
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