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Prosecutors unlikely to charge Trump Org executives

MovingPictures said:
The investigations into Trump are in the dozens.

Let's add arithmetic to the number of skills you need to work on.
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IT's good to see our despondent bunch still has a little hope to grasp at.


Good for them!
 
Manc Skipper said:
The investigation went dark 5 months ago, around the time Trump appointed Barr as his personal Attorney General. Sheer coincidence of course.
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All this shows is how the wealthy in the US can so easily corrupt the legal system to their advantage. And yes Barr squashed the investigation, Jo doubt about that. When Trump is out of office, the Dems need to pursue him and his criminal enterprise to the fullest.

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PeteEU said:
All this shows is how the wealthy in the US can so easily corrupt the legal system to their advantage. And yes Barr squashed the investigation, Jo doubt about that. When Trump is out of office, the Dems need to pursue him and his criminal enterprise to the fullest.

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Is there any evidence for Barr doing this, or this criminal enterprise?
 
dobieg said:
There is a reason we say TDS'ers suffer from an over active imagination and are subject to wild and irrational speculation.
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haymarket said:
What signal and message does this send to people about bringing Donald Trump to justice?
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It sends a message that the legal system should not be used as a weapon against political opponents.
 
MovingPictures said:
The one purpose that you've already coneded is all that's required for the law to have been broken.

Your argument could just as easily relieve Clinton of his false statements during the Lewinsky case, because, hey, they were ALSO done to keep his family from finding out.

I really hope you make these arguments to a judge some day.
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Nope. Clinton was under oath. There is no real issue of whether lying in such a circumstance is a crime.
However, it is a subject of debate as to what constitutes a campaign expenditure versus a personal one.
 
Athanasius68 said:
It sends a message that the legal system should not be used as a weapon against political opponents.
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When all the acceptable legal avenues are closed to a person as a remedy within the system, what other alternatives are then left to the desperate? That is something we should think about if we care about our system and want to keep the peace.
 
haymarket said:
When all the acceptable legal avenues are closed to a person as a remedy within the system, what other alternatives are then left to the desperate? That is something we should think about if we care about our system and want to keep the peace.
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And when the legal avenues are closed because there is no basis for traveling them?
 
Athanasius68 said:
And when the legal avenues are closed because there is no basis for traveling them?
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You are missing the point. When you create a system, within in it you allow something to alleviate pressure so the system does not explode and create great damage. Nobody wants that. Nobody.

We have a system that under Trump seems to close off all avenues of real opposition to him. Trump holds his office with Russian help. He won only because of a mechanism from the 1700's that overrides the will of the American people. The suit using the Constitution emoluments clause has been dismissed. The Mueller Report - something which million had such hopes for - has been perverted and hijhacked and so far negated. Cabinet appointments are made as acting to avoid confirmation hearings and congressional action. Michael Cohen turns against Trump and goes to prison while others remain free. The House will not impeach despite a ton of bold tax otherwise. Scandals which would have doomed any previous President seem to roll off his back like water on the proverbial duck and are forgotten. And now we hear no charges in this latest Trump case.

My fear is when you close off all the legal and acceptable avenues of opposition, you force people to the streets and worse and that is something I do not want to see as it will further breakdown the system.

This is a potential tinder box and the fuse is burning. Those who care about the system should be both worried and concerned.
 
haymarket said:
You are missing the point. When you create a system, within in it you allow something to alleviate pressure so the system does not explode and create great damage. Nobody wants that. Nobody.

We have a system that under Trump seems to close off all avenues of real opposition to him. Trump holds his office with Russian help. He won only because of a mechanism from the 1700's that overrides the will of the American people. The suit using the Constitution emoluments clause has been dismissed. The Mueller Report - something which million had such hopes for - has been perverted and hijhacked and so far negated. Cabinet appointments are made as acting to avoid confirmation hearings and congressional action. Michael Cohen turns against Trump and goes to prison while others remain free. The House will not impeach despite a ton of bold tax otherwise. Scandals which would have doomed any previous President seem to roll off his back like water on the proverbial duck and are forgotten. And now we hear no charges in this latest Trump case.

My fear is when you close off all the legal and acceptable avenues of opposition, you force people to the streets and worse and that is something I do not want to see as it will further breakdown the system.

This is a potential tinder box and the fuse is burning. Those who care about the system should be both worried and concerned.
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Sorry, I thought you were going to ACCEPT the Mueller report as fact........lol surprise, you haven't.
 
haymarket said:
You are missing the point. When you create a system, within in it you allow something to alleviate pressure so the system does not explode and create great damage. Nobody wants that. Nobody.

We have a system that under Trump seems to close off all avenues of real opposition to him. Trump holds his office with Russian help. He won only because of a mechanism from the 1700's that overrides the will of the American people. The suit using the Constitution emoluments clause has been dismissed. The Mueller Report - something which million had such hopes for - has been perverted and hijhacked and so far negated. Cabinet appointments are made as acting to avoid confirmation hearings and congressional action. Michael Cohen turns against Trump and goes to prison while others remain free. The House will not impeach despite a ton of bold tax otherwise. Scandals which would have doomed any previous President seem to roll off his back like water on the proverbial duck and are forgotten. And now we hear no charges in this latest Trump case.

My fear is when you close off all the legal and acceptable avenues of opposition, you force people to the streets and worse and that is something I do not want to see as it will further breakdown the system.

This is a potential tinder box and the fuse is burning. Those who care about the system should be both worried and concerned.
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The legal system is not designed as an avenue for political opposition. People have claimed that Trump did things which the legal system is concluding he did not do. That's not closing off avenues of opposition. That's the system functioning as its supposed to.

The Democrats won control of the House as well as state legislatures and governorship. That's the political opposition in action as the system is designed. That's the alleviation of whatever pressure is building up amongst Trump's opponents. And where the system demands the pressure is alleviated.
 
sjmay said:
Sorry, I thought you were going to ACCEPT the Mueller report as fact........lol surprise, you haven't.
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I do accept the Mueller Report as fact. I completely and utterly REJECT the Barr perversion of it and the Trump hijacking of it for his own evil purposes.
 
Athanasius68 said:
The legal system is not designed as an avenue for political opposition. People have claimed that Trump did things which the legal system is concluding he did not do. That's not closing off avenues of opposition. That's the system functioning as its supposed to.
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There is a huge chasm of difference between not being able to meet the high legal standards of obtaining a conviction in court and your assumption that the system made a conclusion that he did not do these things. In between those two sides of the Grand Canyon is a hell of a lot of space.

And the system itself protects Trump from any prosecution for crimes such as obstruction of justice - something which the Mueller Report outlined rather clearly and many different times.

The Democrats won control of the House as well as state legislatures and governorship. That's the political opposition in action as the system is designed. That's the alleviation of whatever pressure is building up amongst Trump's opponents. And where the system demands the pressure is alleviated
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And what happens in the intervening four years especially if politicians are failing individual citizens who then feel the system has failed them?
 
haymarket said:
I do accept the Mueller Report as fact. I completely and utterly REJECT the Barr perversion of it and the Trump hijacking of it for his own evil purposes.
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So you reject two people's opinions of it......and think that two people have negated it lmao, that's rich.
 
sjmay said:
So you reject two people's opinions of it......and think that two people have negated it lmao, that's rich.
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That is the practical political impact regardless if we like it or not. Barr and Trump have horribly perverted and distorted the final report so badly that it has lost its potential impact and its conclusions are swept under the rug.
 
haymarket said:
That is the practical political impact regardless if we like it or not. Barr and Trump have horribly perverted and distorted the final report so badly that it has lost its potential impact and its conclusions are swept under the rug.
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How have they peverted and distorted it? Are you saying that people can not make up their own minds about it, because two people told them not to?

If so, what does that say about the democratic run house, if anything?
 
sjmay said:
How have they peverted and distorted it? Are you saying that people can not make up their own minds about it, because two people told them not to?

If so, what does that say about the democratic run house, if anything?
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YES - lots and lots and lots of people have been misled by Barr and Trump and will go no further than their untruthful misinterpretation of the Mueller Report saying it cleared him and absolved him of wrongdoing. Both of which are blatant lies to anyone who has read the report.
 
haymarket said:
There is a huge chasm of difference between not being able to meet the high legal standards of obtaining a conviction in court and your assumption that the system made a conclusion that he did not do these things. In between those two sides of the Grand Canyon is a hell of a lot of space.

And the system itself protects Trump from any prosecution for crimes such as obstruction of justice - something which the Mueller Report outlined rather clearly and many different times.



And what happens in the intervening four years especially if politicians are failing individual citizens who then feel the system has failed them?
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Those are all political arguments. The Democrats took the the House two years after Trump. That's an answer. They are gearing up to choose someone to challenge him next year. That's another one.
Trump won in 2016 because many people felt the system was failing them. They went out and voted. I am not understanding why that is not a sufficient option for those who think Trump is failing them.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Those are all political arguments. The Democrats took the the House two years after Trump. That's an answer. They are gearing up to choose someone to challenge him next year. That's another one.
Trump won in 2016 because many people felt the system was failing them. They went out and voted. I am not understanding why that is not a sufficient option for those who think Trump is failing them.
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Actually it is simple reality.

The Democrats retaking the House could be important and it could not really mean anything if they do not do anything with that power. In the eyes of many people, they are doing precious little.

Telling people to wait until 2021 does noting to solve the problem of Trump today.

Trump won in 2016 because the Russians helped him and the Electoral College overrode the will of the American people while failing to do its job as outlined in Federalist 68.
 
haymarket said:
YES - lots and lots and lots of people have been misled by Barr and Trump and will go no further than their untruthful misinterpretation of the Mueller Report saying it cleared him and absolved him of wrongdoing. Both of which are blatant lies to anyone who has read the report.
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Got it, so everyone who doesn;t believe the mueller report is a lemming, and you are the only one fighting for right.....holy **** you are a blowhard....I think you belong on Capitol Hill with that empty rhetoric.
 
MovingPictures said:
Trump Org executives unlikely to be charged, sources say - CNNPolitics

This is very surprising to me. All of the evidence against the Trump Org was so damning. From the checks to the recorded calls, it appeared to be a slam dunk case. I'm going to guess that the SDNY decided that waiting to indict Trump in 2021 just wasn't practical, and would be too political for the office.

What this ought to tell Democrats is that investigating Trump to 'get' him is pointless. He's a rich elitist with the power of the Presidency, who for all pratical purposes IS above the law right now. The only way to end this is to go and beat him at the polls, and just send him back to NY.
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What was damning was the reporting. They distort the facts and make up the rest.

You bet. Beat him at the polls and go socialist and open borders. That will teach ‘em....
 
sjmay said:
Got it, so everyone who doesn;t believe the mueller report is a lemming, and you are the only one fighting for right.....holy **** you are a blowhard....I think you belong on Capitol Hill with that empty rhetoric.
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I would not use the word LEMMING.

Unthinking partisan - okay.

Insulting me by name calling like "blowhard" is not debate. You should be ashamed.
 
Lutherf said:
It was never a "slam dunk". We kept on telling you that but you kept listening to Maddow and friends because they kept telling you what you wanted to hear. You're STILL looking for people to tell you what you want to hear and you're STILL shocked and amazed when Trump doesn't catch fire and burn.
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Well, it is proof that there is no god.
 
haymarket said:
Actually it is simple reality.

The Democrats retaking the House could be important and it could not really mean anything if they do not do anything with that power. In the eyes of many people, they are doing precious little.

Telling people to wait until 2021 does noting to solve the problem of Trump today.

Trump won in 2016 because the Russians helped him and the Electoral College overrode the will of the American people while failing to do its job as outlined in Federalist 68.
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Trump won because HRC was terrible candidate that the Democrats hoisted on the American people and Trump simply out worked her.

The will the American people is that we follow the Constitution.


And if the Democrats don’t come to grips with those realities he will win again in2020
 
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