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Blunt blades, GPS trackers and longer school hours: The hunt for an answer to Britain's knife-crime

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Knife-crime crisis -- Britain scrambles for solutions - CNN

And while London is the worst-affected region, the problem is a national one; police recorded a total of 40,577 offenses involving a knife or sharp instrument last year -- 10,000 more than in 2011 -- while knife offenses have risen for five consecutive years.
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So much for the British way of solving problems by banning things. They ban guns, so people turn to knives to kill each other now.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Well, OK. So you're saying they're actually aren't killing each other w/guns?

Sorta sounds like they solved a gun issue.
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People are still killing each other, they just use different things to do it with. Banning one tool means they'll just use another, so it really doesnt solve the problem, does it?
 
PoS said:
People are still killing each other, they just use different things to do it with. Banning one tool means they'll just use another, so it really doesnt solve the problem, does it?
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So, IOW, they enacted gun controls, and now people aren't killing each other with guns?

Huh. OK. Sounds like they solved the gun murder problem.
 
PoS said:
People are still killing each other, they just use different things to do it with. Banning one tool means they'll just use another, so it really doesnt solve the problem, does it?
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I asked you a question. What is London's murder rate?
 
PoS said:
People are still killing each other, they just use different things to do it with. Banning one tool means they'll just use another, so it really doesnt solve the problem, does it?
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That's true that the underlying "problem" still exists.

I used quotes because Idk how non-violent any group of millions of people can ever be.
It seems there'll always be some minority who're willing to exceed the social norms when it comes to violence.

It does seem that the use of knives instead of guns would reduce the impact of the "problem".

Knifing someone is a close, personal affair. Seems this'd make it harder for the perpetrator to be emotionally distant during the process when compared to shooting targets from a distance.
The knife has to be carried from victim to victim. This necessarily slows the process of harming multiple people to some degree when compared to bullets which can travel to victims without being carried.
Defending oneself or loved ones against a knife attack is at least theoretically more probable. Whereas defending oneself from a gun is not as easy of a theoretical option.


So, yeah the "problem" still exists.
But, they seem to have reduced the impact of the "problem" by forcing assailants to switch to old school manual delivery of metal to human insides instead of modern machine assisted delivery.
 
Irredentist said:
Personally, if I had to choose between being attacked with a knife or a gun, I'd choose the knife. I imagine the Brits think likewise.
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Nah, if you're gonna kill me, do it quickly, not a slice at a time...:2razz:
 
PoS said:
Im not your secretary. Look it up yourself.
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Already going for the condescending remarks? Not even going to try to make a factual reply? :lol:
 
Phys251 said:
Already going for the condescending remarks? Not even going to try to make a factual reply? :lol:
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If youre going to bring up a point, then by all means do it instead of expecting others to make your case for you...
 
PoS said:
If youre going to bring up a point, then by all means do it instead of expecting others to make your case for you...
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You're going to start a thread about London's alleged murder problem and you don't even have the crime statistics handy? And then you want someone else to do your work for you?

That doesn't look good for your case, does it? Maybe you want to find those numbers and post them yourself if you want a civil discussion here. :shrug:
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Well, OK. So you're saying they're actually aren't killing each other w/guns?

Sorta sounds like they solved a gun issue.
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If that's the goal, and not stopping people from killing each other, I think, if it were my country, I'd rather leave the guns in play - death by gun sounds better than death by knife to me, for some reason.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Well, OK. So you're saying they're actually aren't killing each other w/guns?

Sorta sounds like they solved a gun issue.
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London Municipal Police now has a gun squad. Slightly more than 3k deployments during 2018, in response to gun crimes. The trend of gun crime averaging a 12% increase each year over the prior decade. Approximately half of the LMP is now trained for deploying guns.

These trends are consistent with the entire nation with the exception of Northern Ireland where all police carry guns.

Close behind the use of blades for violent crimes is the use of the traditional truncheon, a small piece of wood with a leather wrapped lead or iron ball mounted on the end. Here in the states we call such tools of the trade, saps. And ours usually have ball bearings encased in leather. In my dad's day, every member of the NYPD carried one, and was schooled in the use of a rolled up NYT which left no marks. The LMP fellows still use the London Times.

Violence and murder are part of the human condition. It is a problem which cannot be solved, perhaps minimized, but not solved.

In Singapore, one of the world's largest cities with the lowest amount of violent crimes per capita, Police carry a revolver, and a automatic pistol, and are authorized to beat violent suspects to death with batons upon apprehension. They have a reputation for doing so, methodically and slowly, inflicting as much pain as possible.

Throughout the world, accounting methods for violent crimes vary, often not cited for statistical purposes until a crime has been resolved in the courts.
 
PoS said:
Im not your secretary. Look it up yourself.
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Don't cha love it when people make demands? Just makes me more determined not to oblige...:2razz:
 
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