House passes sweeping anti-discrimination bill to expand protections of LGBT people

OrphanSlug said:

I guess I am as liberal as they come, but I cannot get behind this bill as is.

It is almost as if they designed a bill to make a political point knowing full well it is probably dead on arrival in the Senate, let alone making it past the President’s desk.

Don’t get me wrong, there are aspects of the bill that make sense in terms of job protections and so forth along the lines of the Civil Rights act it attempts to amend. But Democrats may have taken it too far and that discounts the very group they claim they are trying to protect.

The whole thing may just end up a campaign stunt, and that further does a disservice to the LGBT community.

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What parts of the bill do you disagree with? quote it and explain why, i may very well agree....
and since you agree civil rights is the main issue and thats the most important what part of the bill is so horrible it counters that and or cant simply be amended, removed or changed.

AGENT J said:

What parts of the bill do you disagree with? quote it and explain why, i may very well agree....
and since you agree civil rights is the main issue and thats the most important what part of the bill is so horrible it counters that and or cant simply be amended, removed or changed.

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I already did that.

Grim17 said:

This is a horrible piece of legislation that must be defeated!

This would give men the right to enter any women's only or girl's only facility at will, as long as they use the magic words "I identify as a women". This would allow a girls junior high school basketball coach to enter the girls locker room, watch 11 and 12 year old girls shower and the school not only couldn't fire him, but would be absolutely helpless to stop him from doing this... All because he used the magic words "I identify as a woman".

This law would also give biological men the right to compete in women's sports, which I have posted a lot about the last week or so.

How can ANYONE support a bill that would legalize both the exploitation and endangerment of women like this bill would do?

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Please quote the parts of the bill that say that and do that, thanks
if they exist i would like them removed :shrug:

i simply support sexual orientation and gender identity being protected by civil and equal rights under the term of sex or under their own term.

OrphanSlug said:

Not so much about a particular section, this law was aimed at amending the prior Civil Rights Act of 1964.

And that means dealing with Constructs of Law, placing Gender Identity in all of those sections as is further clouds what "accommodations" means in terms of everything from employment applications to public school sporting designations to basic restroom design.

Dealing with discrimination is one thing for Transgenders, weaponizing the unknown is very different.

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Then i dont understand your issue

how is adding gender identity or sexual orientation weaponizing but the terms race and religion etc not?
what are you claiming would be different? and why cant it simply be addressed and fixed?

OrphanSlug said:

I already did that.

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Read the whole thread, you did not quote any part of the bill whatsoever, if i missed it tell me the post number. thanks

Grim17 said:

This is a horrible piece of legislation that must be defeated!

This would give men the right to enter any women's only or girl's only facility at will, as long as they use the magic words "I identify as a women". This would allow a girls junior high school basketball coach to enter the girls locker room, watch 11 and 12 year old girls shower and the school not only couldn't fire him, but would be absolutely helpless to stop him from doing this... All because he used the magic words "I identify as a woman".

This law would also give biological men the right to compete in women's sports, which I have posted a lot about the last week or so.

How can ANYONE support a bill that would legalize both the exploitation and endangerment of women like this bill would do?

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Does it? I haven't read the bill, which section does that?

Deuce said:

Does it? I haven't read the bill, which section does that?

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This bill prohibits discrimination based on sex, sexual orientation, and gender identity in areas including public accommodations and facilities, education, federal funding, employment, housing, credit, and the jury system. Specifically, the bill defines and includes sex, sexual orientation, and gender identity among the prohibited categories of discrimination or segregation.
The bill expands the definition of public accommodations to include places or establishments that provide (1) exhibitions, recreation, exercise, amusement, gatherings, or displays; (2) goods, services, or programs; and (3) transportation services.
The bill allows the Department of Justice to intervene in equal protection actions in federal court on account of sexual orientation or gender identity.
The bill prohibits an individual from being denied access to a shared facility, including a restroom, a locker room, and a dressing room, that is in accordance with the individual's gender identity.

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Wasn't hard to find, actually. Link: H.R.5 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Equality Act | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

Sooo.. U and Agent still support this women's athletics killer? And that's just the beginning. With this ridiculous bill, gender identity will be codified into law. Interesting that gender identity is not defined in the bill, which by itself makes this a stupid law. What constitutes gender identity? Anyone wanaa take a stab at defining that?

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Oh, and here's the attempt to define the sections:

“SEC. 1101. Definitions and Rules.

“(a) Definitions.—In titles II, III, IV, VI, VII, and IX (referred to individually in sections 1106 and 1107 as a ‘covered title’):
“(1) RACE; COLOR; RELIGION; SEX; SEXUAL ORIENTATION; GENDER IDENTITY; NATIONAL ORIGIN.—The term ‘race’, ‘color’, ‘religion’, ‘sex’ (including ‘sexual orientation’ and ‘gender identity’), or ‘national origin’, used with respect to an individual, includes—
“(A) the race, color, religion, sex (including sexual orientation and gender identity), or national origin, respectively, of another person with whom the individual is associated or has been associated; and
“(B) a perception or belief, even if inaccurate, concerning the race, color, religion, sex (including sexual orientation and gender identity), or national origin, respectively, of the individual.
“(2) GENDER IDENTITY.—The term ‘gender identity’ means the gender-related identity, appearance, mannerisms, or other gender-related characteristics of an individual, regardless of the individual’s designated sex at birth.
“(3) INCLUDING.—The term ‘including’ means including, but not limited to, consistent with the term's standard meaning in Federal law.
“(4) SEX.—The term ‘sex’ includes—
“(A) a sex stereotype;
“(B) pregnancy, childbirth, or a related medical condition;
“(C) sexual orientation or gender identity; and
“(D) sex characteristics, including intersex traits.
“(5) SEXUAL ORIENTATION.—The term ‘sexual orientation’ means homosexuality, heterosexuality, or bisexuality.
“(b) Rules.—In a covered title referred to in subsection (a)—
“(1) (with respect to sex) pregnancy, childbirth, or a related medical condition shall not receive less favorable treatment than other physical conditions; and
“(2) (with respect to gender identity) an individual shall not be denied access to a shared facility, including a restroom, a locker room, and a dressing room, that is in accordance with the individual's gender identity.”; and
(3) by inserting after section 1105 the following:

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Hmm...

Tim-

Hicup said:

Wasn't hard to find, actually. Link: H.R.5 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Equality Act | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

Sooo.. U and Agent still support this women's athletics killer? And that's just the beginning. With this ridiculous bill, gender identity will be codified into law. Interesting that gender identity is not defined in the bill, which by itself makes this a stupid law. What constitutes gender identity? Anyone wanaa take a stab at defining that?

Tim-

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Must of been REALLY hard because you still havent done it . . LMAO
NOTHING you posted factually supports the couple claims in this thread about this law will:

Threatens women's sports
Threatens Women's shelters
Threaten womans Schools
Silences female athletes
Silences domestic abuse survivors
Gives men the right to enter any women's only or girl's only facility at will
Gives men the right if they are a girls junior high school basketball coach to enter the girls locker room, watch 11 and 12 year old girls shower and the school not only couldn't fire him and would be absolutely helpless to stop him from doing this
Gives men the right to compete in women's sport
Exploites and endangers women
weaponizes gender identity


so like duece said (if its true) a substantial majority of Americans support this bill, A majority of Republicans support this bill and YES i support the civil rights of sexual orientation and gender identity for me and all my fellow americans, what type of monster wouldnt?

IF and that seems to be a big if . . .if any of the sensationalist claims above are true simply post the part of the bill that does that and ill be against that part and support fixing, rewording in it amending it etc etc I have or have had grandmothers, a mom, a daughter, sisters, nieces, cousins, female friends, coworkers, employees, students and players that i care about and support and if they were actually threatened id be against that in a heart beat. Heck ive spent more then a decade directly work with female athletes, athletics and programs. But "CLAIMS" will never be worthy of blocking equal rights and civil rights IMO

Heck if this bill specifically said the dishonest nuttiness claims above (which theres ZERO evidence of currently) i would still support every part BUT the dishonest nuttiness. Id strive to remove it so the GREAT parts could move forward and we all benefit. If you try to sell me and otherwise perfect vehicle with plastic tires i dont call the whole thing junk because of the tires .. . only a moron would do that. I simply say no sell until it has normal tires or i fight to get normal tires put on.

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Must of been REALLY hard because you still havent done it . . LMAO
NOTHING you posted factually supports the couple claims in this thread about this law will:

Threatens women's sports (Already posted this for you SEC. 1101. Definitions and Rules - “(B) a perception or belief, even if inaccurate, concerning the race, color, religion, sex (including sexual orientation and gender identity), or national origin, respectively, of the individual.
“(2) GENDER IDENTITY.—The term ‘gender identity’ means the gender-related identity, appearance, mannerisms, or other gender-related characteristics of an individual, regardless of the individual’s designated sex at birth.)
Threatens Women's shelters “(B) a perception or belief, even if inaccurate, concerning the race, color, religion, sex (including sexual orientation and gender identity), or national origin, respectively, of the individual.
“(2) GENDER IDENTITY.—The term ‘gender identity’ means the gender-related identity, appearance, mannerisms, or other gender-related characteristics of an individual, regardless of the individual’s designated sex at birth.
Threaten womans Schools “(B) a perception or belief, even if inaccurate, concerning the race, color, religion, sex (including sexual orientation and gender identity), or national origin, respectively, of the individual.
“(2) GENDER IDENTITY.—The term ‘gender identity’ means the gender-related identity, appearance, mannerisms, or other gender-related characteristics of an individual, regardless of the individual’s designated sex at birth.
Silences female athletes “(B) a perception or belief, even if inaccurate, concerning the race, color, religion, sex (including sexual orientation and gender identity), or national origin, respectively, of the individual.
“(2) GENDER IDENTITY.—The term ‘gender identity’ means the gender-related identity, appearance, mannerisms, or other gender-related characteristics of an individual, regardless of the individual’s designated sex at birth.
Silences domestic abuse survivors
Gives men the right to enter any women's only or girl's only facility at will “(B) a perception or belief, even if inaccurate, concerning the race, color, religion, sex (including sexual orientation and gender identity), or national origin, respectively, of the individual.
“(2) GENDER IDENTITY.—The term ‘gender identity’ means the gender-related identity, appearance, mannerisms, or other gender-related characteristics of an individual, regardless of the individual’s designated sex at birth.
Gives men the right if they are a girls junior high school basketball coach to enter the girls locker room, watch 11 and 12 year old girls shower and the school not only couldn't fire him and would be absolutely helpless to stop him from doing this
Gives men the right to compete in women's sport “(B) a perception or belief, even if inaccurate, concerning the race, color, religion, sex (including sexual orientation and gender identity), or national origin, respectively, of the individual.
“(2) GENDER IDENTITY.—The term ‘gender identity’ means the gender-related identity, appearance, mannerisms, or other gender-related characteristics of an individual, regardless of the individual’s designated sex at birth.
Exploites and endangers women
weaponizes gender identity “(B) a perception or belief, even if inaccurate, concerning the race, color, religion, sex (including sexual orientation and gender identity), or national origin, respectively, of the individual.
“(2) GENDER IDENTITY.—The term ‘gender identity’ means the gender-related identity, appearance, mannerisms, or other gender-related characteristics of an individual, regardless of the individual’s designated sex at birth.

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The "bill" doesn't have to say biological males may enter women's XYZ. It's specifically giving no apparent reasonable deference to real world realities already being done in female sports, and restrooms, fitting rooms, schools. It says

a perception or belief, even if inaccurate, concerning the race, color, religion, sex (including sexual orientation and gender identity)

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Now, care to explain why they wouldn't place some common sense restrictions on what constitutes gender identity? Ya know, in the interests of fairness and equity. Boys are systematically winning world records in female sports as we speak.. Do you deny this?

But of course, I'm wasting my time with you as you'll simply ignore this language in the bill and say it doesn't allow this, but you'd be wrong like you are every other single time you insist on engaging with me.

Tim-

Hicup said:

1.) The "bill" doesn't have to say biological males may enter women's XYZ. It's specifically giving no apparent reasonable deference to real world realities already being done in female sports, and restrooms, fitting rooms, schools. It says .

2.) Now, care to explain why they wouldn't place some common sense restrictions on what constitutes gender identity? Ya know, in the interests of fairness and equity.
3.) Boys are systematically winning world records in female sports as we speak.. Do you deny this?
4.) But of course, I'm wasting my time with you as you'll simply ignore this language in the bill and say it doesn't allow this, but you'd be wrong like you are every other single time you insist on engaging with me.

Tim-

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1.) you seem to think your feelings and fantasies are facts . . but no surprise they are not
again NOTHING you posted makes thoses claims facts .. not one single thing . . claiming otherwise is pure dishonesty or stupidity . . pick one
i cant believe you went through all that work to be wrong as if you had something meaningless honest and legitimate. Like somehow NOW this is magically a problem but with all the other things in civil rights its fine LOL

2.) i dont have to, im in favor of any restrictions that are common sense and have said so in multiple threads . . i said i support the medical science on it and its for them to decide along with the orgs that control whatever item we are talking about so again your fantasy claims and feelings about my actual stance are meaningless to the fact that you posted nothing that makes the previous highlighted claims true

3.) who denied that? once again another stupid starwmen that serves zero purposes. . as i said in #2 i support restrictions based on medical science and anything you are talking about is already happening regardless of this bill right now right? so once again its a meaningless strawman and has nothing to do with the fact that you posted nothing that makes the previous highlighted claims true . . . nothing
4.) hehe i love the space i take up rent-free in your head. yes you wasting your time because your feelings dont matter... i asked for facts . . . you have none as usual . . . . none . . .and its delicious.

best part is if you could actually do that i simply wouldnt support that part of the bill along with the majority who do support it . . but you cant . . . . .

so please let us know the part of the bill that factually:

Threatens women's sports
Threatens Women's shelters
Threaten womans Schools
Silences female athletes
Silences domestic abuse survivors
Gives men the right to enter any women's only or girl's only facility at will
Gives men the right if they are a girls junior high school basketball coach to enter the girls locker room, watch 11 and 12 year old girls shower and the school not only couldn't fire him and would be absolutely helpless to stop him from doing this
Gives men the right to compete in women's sport
Exploits and endangers women
weaponizes gender identity



thanks!

My post stands as answered in full plain English. You can lead a horse to water, comes to mind when dealing with the likes of you.

Fact is, you cannot deny ANYONE access to any event, or space, based on the individuals gender identity. Fact: An individual has zero restrictions on what constitutes gender identity, literally zero restrictions. This bill, taken to its most extreme literally allows a full grown man with a full grown beard, hairy knuckles, Mister Universe body, (whatever typical image you can draw up in your mind of a man) walk into a women's shelter, sporting event, locker room, and claim he identifies as a female and NOT be denied access, or risk being sued! That is a fact! You can wish it were not, but that doesn't make it true! Now, if you care to post the restrictions on males competing in female sports, or accessing shelters, or employment, housing, female specific welfare programs, I posted the entire bill. Show us, or just shut up trying to pretend something that is plainly understood to be 100% a FACT!




Tim-

Hicup said:

1.) My post stands as answered in full plain English. You can lead a horse to water, comes to mind when dealing with the likes of you.

2.) Fact is, you cannot deny ANYONE access to any event, or space, based on the individuals gender identity. Fact: An individual has zero restrictions on what constitutes gender identity, literally zero restrictions. This bill, taken to its most extreme literally allows a full grown man with a full grown beard, hairy knuckles, Mister Universe body, (whatever typical image you can draw up in your mind of a man) walk into a women's shelter, sporting event, locker room, and claim he identifies as a female and NOT be denied access, or risk being sued! That is a fact! You can wish it were not, but that doesn't make it true! Now, if you care to post the restrictions on males competing in female sports, or accessing shelters, or employment, housing, female specific welfare programs, I posted the entire bill. Show us, or just shut up trying to pretend something that is plainly understood to be 100% a FACT!




Tim-

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1.) it sure does, it stand that you have ZERO facts to support your claims . . hence why you cant post any . . not one. Trying to deflect and make this about me doesn't work. Facts dont care about your feelings.
2.) Those arent facts . .. .your feelings arent facts, your claims arent facts. Stomping feet and throwing a temper tantrums arent . .thanks for proving my point and proving me right AGAIN ....


so please let us know the part of the bill that factually:

Threatens women's sports
Threatens Women's shelters
Threaten womans Schools
Silences female athletes
Silences domestic abuse survivors
Gives men the right to enter any women's only or girl's only facility at will
Gives men the right if they are a girls junior high school basketball coach to enter the girls locker room, watch 11 and 12 year old girls shower and the school not only couldn't fire him and would be absolutely helpless to stop him from doing this
Gives men the right to compete in women's sport
Exploits and endangers women
weaponizes gender identity



thanks!

Deuce said:

If anyone is concerned about this, they should paste the specific provision they believe risks this.

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SEC. 1101. Definitions and Rules.


“(a) Definitions.—In titles II, III, IV, VI, VII, and IX .....................

Title IX covers education including sports.

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1.) it sure does, it stand that you have ZERO facts to support your claims . . hence why you cant post any . . not one. Trying to deflect and make this about me doesn't work. Facts dont care about your feelings.
2.) Those arent facts . .. .your feelings arent facts, your claims arent facts. Stomping feet and throwing a temper tantrums arent . .thanks for proving my point and proving me right AGAIN ....


so please let us know the part of the bill that factually:

Threatens women's sports
Threatens Women's shelters
Threaten womans Schools
Silences female athletes
Silences domestic abuse survivors
Gives men the right to enter any women's only or girl's only facility at will
Gives men the right if they are a girls junior high school basketball coach to enter the girls locker room, watch 11 and 12 year old girls shower and the school not only couldn't fire him and would be absolutely helpless to stop him from doing this
Gives men the right to compete in women's sport
Exploits and endangers women
weaponizes gender identity



thanks!

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Keep it up.. Keep bumping the thread to the top where everyone can see just how incredibly dumb you are. Laws aren't written to show you what you can do, they show you what you can't do. So..Oh never mind, why am I wasting my time, surely you know this, I mean, how can anyone be this stupid and not once, but three times argue in the defense? LOL Pure comedy, or pathetic, either is fine with me. :rofl


Tim-

dixon01767 said:

SEC. 1101. Definitions and Rules.


“(a) Definitions.—In titles II, III, IV, VI, VII, and IX .....................

Title IX covers education including sports.

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They asked us to show them, and when we do, they close their eyes and bury their heads.. I'm enjoying it, in a sad, slow down to see the car crash on the road sort of sad..


Tim-

Hicup said:

Keep it up.. Keep bumping the thread to the top where everyone can see just how incredibly dumb you are. Laws aren't written to show you what you can do, they show you what you can't do. So..Oh never mind, why am I wasting my time, surely you know this, I mean, how can anyone be this stupid and not once, but three times argue in the defense? LOL Pure comedy, or pathetic, either is fine with me. :rofl


Tim-

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Hey look another dodge and deflection attempt and another complete fail
........and still ZERO facts supporting your claim.

please let us know the part of the bill that factually:

Threatens women's sports
Threatens Women's shelters
Threaten womans Schools
Silences female athletes
Silences domestic abuse survivors
Gives men the right to enter any women's only or girl's only facility at will
Gives men the right if they are a girls junior high school basketball coach to enter the girls locker room, watch 11 and 12 year old girls shower and the school not only couldn't fire him and would be absolutely helpless to stop him from doing this
Gives men the right to compete in women's sport
Exploits and endangers women
weaponizes gender identity



thanks!

At least Deuce was bright enough to ask a question, receive the answer and then tuck and run.. You.. Not so much.. LOL


Tim-

justabubba said:

so, your last boss was gay and posed no issue regarding gender orientation
now that you are approaching retirement you have a new boss who is very retarded regarding sexual orientation
one is supposed to abandon their career and pending retirement only because the new boss is an ignorant asshole?

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Perhaps reading is your second language. I said there are already laws against firing someone for being gay. However, if you work for a Church and that Church prohibits gays working for them, the Church should be protected from religious persecution because of the 1st Amendment. This law is not an Amendment to the Constitution and therefore has no authority to try and destroy religious freedom. But, your side will try to do it anyways. Why?

vegas giants said:

No they do not. And a church can not fire someone who is black for religious reasons. It is ridiculous

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Being black has Constitutional rights. There is no Constitutional right for sexual orientation or confusion. Your response is therefore ridiculous.

Cougarbear said:

Perhaps reading is your second language. I said there are already laws against firing someone for being gay. However, if you work for a Church and that Church prohibits gays working for them, the Church should be protected from religious persecution because of the 1st Amendment. This law is not an Amendment to the Constitution and therefore has no authority to try and destroy religious freedom. But, your side will try to do it anyways. Why?

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in this instance i don't believe that my comprehension of the written word is the problem
let's see exactly what you posted and the statement to which i responded. the added emphasis below is mine:

There are already laws against this. However, if the person is working for a Church, then there is the 1st Amendment that protects the Church on having to have someone gay work for them. Other than that, the laws prohibit firing someone for being gay. But, why would someone want to continue to work in that job if the boss hates you? Get a new job!

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which comes back to my question previously posed to you: how reasonable is it to expect an employee on the cusp of retirement eligibility to abandon their career and pending retirement because their boss is a bigoted asshole

try again to ferret out the correct answer

Hicup said:

At least Deuce was bright enough to ask a question, receive the answer and then tuck and run.. You.. Not so much.. LOL


Tim-

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Another attack but yet no facts that support your claims, oooops

please let us know the part of the bill that factually:

Threatens women's sports
Threatens Women's shelters
Threaten womans Schools
Silences female athletes
Silences domestic abuse survivors
Gives men the right to enter any women's only or girl's only facility at will
Gives men the right if they are a girls junior high school basketball coach to enter the girls locker room, watch 11 and 12 year old girls shower and the school not only couldn't fire him and would be absolutely helpless to stop him from doing this
Gives men the right to compete in women's sport
Exploits and endangers women
weaponizes gender identity



thanks!

Ironic that the Federal laws on public accomodation have been around for 50 years without sex as one of the protected classes, but now that they want protection for the transgendered they want to include sex.

dixon01767 said:

Ironic that the Federal laws on public accomodation have been around for 50 years without sex as one of the protected classes, but now that they want protection for the transgendered they want to include sex.

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more meaningless (inaccurate) feelings
who is they?

Cougarbear said:

Perhaps reading is your second language. I said there are already laws against firing someone for being gay. However, if you work for a Church and that Church prohibits gays working for them, the Church should be protected from religious persecution because of the 1st Amendment. This law is not an Amendment to the Constitution and therefore has no authority to try and destroy religious freedom. But, your side will try to do it anyways. Why?

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Not in all states, only in those that recognize sexual orientation as a protected class.

Here in WA St., where that is a protected class, a high school teacher/coach was fired from a private Catholic school for being gay.

Court greenlights fired gay teacher's lawsuit against Catholic school | National Catholic Reporter

I cant find at this point if it was upheld or not. It was on the news alot and I think the teacher may have dropped it.

Here's a more recent case that bears watching:

This Catholic school was right to fire a gay teacher who got married