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Nearly two-thirds of voters think Trump committed crimes before taking office, poll finds

Hedgology said:
So we're supposed to impeach a sitting official for being a "perceived" criminal?
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The line between "perception" and "guilt" is a thin line. In the case of Trump, that line is right at that threshhold. In the case of Impeachment, it is Congress that determines whether that line has been crossed. I believe Mueller's report will be given to Congress just in time for the Republican Primary. Mueller is a life-long Republican, and this will allow his Party to save face and bring forth another candidate.
 
bubbabgone said:
So you're talking about Party registration as a deciding force?
Well that obviously can't be true.
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2.8 million more votes for Hillary in 2016. That's pretty decisive, and only ineffectual because of our archaic presidential election process.
 
bubbabgone said:
Right. Party registration isn't decisive.
Like, even after people with sense get a whiff of what's taking over your Party it still doesn't mean they would necessarily change their registration.
You'll have to wait for the eventual illegal immigration vote that you guys are counting on. That would be big.
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Seriously? Still cranking on that old saw?

:beatdeadhorse

Also, FYI, I'm not a Democrat. I've never registered with any party. That "Independent" you see to the left under my avatar is a fact.
 
Exactice said:
Yes but usually with that. "Impeachable offense is NOT necessarily an Indictable crime". Nadler said it hims self, he needs to gain evidence to increase the public support.

Its been 2 years.... the Russian Collusion is wavering on the Mueller Report, which is seemingly losing its Gusto..... As lacking credible evidence.

Cohen's Testimony has so many wholes it makes a block of Swiss blush. (Cohen asked for a pardon..... Cohen coordinated with the DNC in his recent testimony, FUNNY I dont see much discussion about that for what ever reason?)



With that, Like it or NOT Trump was duly elected, that means the Majority Electorate wanted trump. To Obtain impeachment you would need 2/3rds of each house to approve. That also means that the conglomerate/electorate would need to shift 2/3rds to have a chance at impeaching TRUMP.

If impeachable offense does not necessarily need to be a crime, DO YOU really think you have enough support for a NON crime to try and impeach Trump?

I mean its so far off the rails now..... Impeachment is SO FAR OFF at this point...... And now you want to say you dont even need an indictable crime at LEAST if you have an indictable crime the chances are WAY better.....
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What two-word phrase does Trump say over and over, in every speech or presser he does? Since the beginning, endlessly: "No collusion." Methinks the idiot in chief doth protest too much.

Cohen is a crook, and he's giving us details on Trump's criminal actions, none of which would hold water without the corroborating evidence. And let's not forget the "other criminal activities" that he couldn't talk about in that open session.

I'm just guessing here, but I do think the eventual indictment will say "Conspiracy to defraud the United States" or something close to that. Plus, there's the daily violations of the emoluments clause. Add to that his company finances and so-called "charitable" foundation, which was so bad that they shut the whole thing down.

Just wait.

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Idiometer said:
2.8 million more votes for Hillary in 2016. That's pretty decisive, and only ineffectual because of our archaic presidential election process.
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Thus Party registration is indecisive.
 
Idiometer said:
Seriously? Still cranking on that old saw?

:beatdeadhorse

Also, FYI, I'm not a Democrat. I've never registered with any party. That "Independent" you see to the left under my avatar is a fact.
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What old saw is that?
 
Media_Truth said:
The line between "perception" and "guilt" is a thin line. In the case of Trump, that line is right at that threshhold. In the case of Impeachment, it is Congress that determines whether that line has been crossed. I believe Mueller's report will be given to Congress just in time for the Republican Primary. Mueller is a life-long Republican, and this will allow his Party to save face and bring forth another candidate.
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The problem with your analysis is that you're telling me nothing more than what you believe and your opinions instead of what the facts are. There is no line between perception and guilt are mutually exclusive terms: You are either guilty or your are not guilty.
 
upsideguy said:
Actually that is exactly what impeachment is about... investigations by the people's chamber followed by trial in the Senate.

In the end, impeachment is a political determination of 'unfit for office' similar to some extent to the British idea of 'no confidence'. If people think their President is a crook, impeachment is an excellent approach to addressing such.
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You keep saying the words "investigations" but you never say what exactly you're supposed to be investigating.
 
bubbabgone said:
What old saw is that?
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Illegals voting. Hint: they don't. It's extremely rare for them to try, and they fear getting caught by trying to do ANYTHING official.
 
Idiometer said:
Illegals voting. Hint: they don't. It's extremely rare for them to try, and they fear getting caught by trying to do ANYTHING official.
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You misunderstood. It's not that there are a ton of illegals voting. NO NO.
It's that your Party is planning for the day when they can legalize them.
It's already starting at the local level.
The Democrats may not be the most candid group around but you can't say they don't plan long term.
Haven't you noticed how long their strategic thinking is?
Remember before Obamacare the President was caught on mic at a townhall saying "we can't get to single payer right away"?
What is the the current trend among the faithful?
 
trixare4kids said:
Cohen will be the last to know that Schiff does not care about him.
They used him.
Schiff should be charged with an ethic violation for preparing the witness, and for something like 8 hours?
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should be but won't we have a 2 tiered justice system.
 
Hedgology said:
You keep saying the words "investigations" but you never say what exactly you're supposed to be investigating.
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Seriously? There are currently 17 ongoing investigations with Trump and/or the Trump organization as the target or subject. Each of these investigations would make sense of the House to run a parallel investigation upon since they represent potential "treason, high crimes or misdemeanors" on the part of the POTUS.

A Complete Guide to All 17 (Known) Trump and Russia Investigations | WIRED

AlphaOmega said:
Says the crowd that voted for Hillary....
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Is there a point to your statement? Actually, there isn't a point as you are off the mark. We are discussing that notion 64% of voters believe Trump committed crimes prior to becoming President.

Poll: 64 percent believe Trump committed crimes before presidency - POLITICO

Hillary received only 48% of the vote in the 2016 election. However, only 61% of those eligible to vote actually voted. Therefore, only 29% of voters actually voted for Clinton.

If 64% of American voters think Trump is a crook, then most of those persons did NOT vote for Hillary. Hence, your statement is nonsensical or simply wrong.
 
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upsideguy said:
Seriously? There are currently 17 ongoing investigations with Trump and/or the Trump organization as the target or subject. Each of these investigations would make sense of the House to run a parallel investigation upon since they represent potential "treason, high crimes or misdemeanors" on the part of the POTUS.

A Complete Guide to All 17 (Known) Trump and Russia Investigations | WIRED
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There's that word again: "potential."Perceived"

At any point, will you be able to explain in plain English, and in your own words, what you are supposed to be investigating.
 
bubbabgone said:
You misunderstood. It's not that there are a ton of illegals voting. NO NO.
It's that your Party is planning for the day when they can legalize them.
It's already starting at the local level.
The Democrats may not be the most candid group around but you can't say they don't plan long term.
Haven't you noticed how long their strategic thinking is?
Remember before Obamacare the President was caught on mic at a townhall saying "we can't get to single payer right away"?
What is the the current trend among the faithful?
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If the Dems are planning for the day that legal immigrants will vote with them, good. Why isn't the GOP making any effort to make their case to immigrants? I'm guessing they're all too brown. I'm guessing that if they were Scandinavian, y'all would be all over that.

Again, as I've mentioned before, not my Party. Look to the left under my avatar.

As for UHC, I'm in favor of it, but I'm not at all confident that we'll ever get there. The health insurance industry has too much money to throw at our politicians, and some of the crazier heads on the left don't seem to understand how we would pay for it.

Long view? Bull****. The Dems had to pass a ****ing resolution just to say they're against hate, ffs. Ridiculous.
 
Idiometer said:
If the Dems are planning for the day that legal immigrants will vote with them, good. Why isn't the GOP making any effort to make their case to immigrants? I'm guessing they're all too brown. I'm guessing that if they were Scandinavian, y'all would be all over that.
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For one thing, we're talking about illegal immigrants. Can't use sloppy terminology when there's such a huge distinction. Coming here illegally should never result in citizenship.
The Dems aren't just planning for that day, they're promoting illegality as the first step.
Again, as I've mentioned before, not my Party. Look to the left under my avatar.
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I betcha your voting record says otherwise.
As for UHC, I'm in favor of it, but I'm not at all confident that we'll ever get there. The health insurance industry has too much money to throw at our politicians, and some of the crazier heads on the left don't seem to understand how we would pay for it.
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Entitlement programs are already leaving their permanent mark on the economy. Government healthcare and free college would certainly usher that along also.
Long view? Bull****. The Dems had to pass a ****ing resolution just to say they're against hate, ffs. Ridiculous.
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The Dems passed that resolution because they didn't have the balls to simply condemn Omar and Tlaib for their antisemitism. They had to negotiate their own surrender to their radical element.
That was the byproduct of the decisions they made in the last election.
In order to gain the House majority they very cleverly ran off-center candidates in districts that would elect them and assumed they'd eventually fall in line like their candidates always had.
Now the off-center is dragging that Party in their direction.
Cortez is a another good example.
Interesting to watch all this happening. It was embarrassing to watch Pelosi attempt to explain why the tail wasn't really wagging the Party dog even though it might look like it.
Wanna bet that won't be the last time?
 
Hedgology said:
There's that word again: "potential."Perceived"

At any point, will you be able to explain in plain English, and in your own words, what you are supposed to be investigating.
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I am not sure why you are not getting this. Its pretty obvious. Perhaps you are merely attempting to obfuscate.

Probable cause begins with perception. 2/3 of the American people think the President is a crook, that is an indictment on the credibility of the POTUS. Its the job of Congress and the DoJ to see if that has foundation for that perception and act accordingly.

I delineated 17 concurrent investigations, each ongoing because the standard of probable cause has been met. The appropriate committees of the House and Senate have duty to monitor each of these investigations, including opening their own (many of which have been) to see if any of these investigations yield impeachable findings. If so, they have a duty to begin the impeachment process (which ostensibly has already begun).

There are 17 ongoing investigations, each of these should be at least monitored by Congress and many directly investigated by Congress.

The potential crimes include, but are not limited to: conspiracy, election fraud, emoluments violations, money laundering, tax fraud, human rights violations, obstruction of justice, bank fraud, wire fraud, campaign finance violations, violations of the Logan Act, likely perjury and abuse of power.

Face it. No POTUS has ever been the subject or target of 17 concurrent legal investigations. No POTUS has ever had 2/3 of America thinking he is a crook. Trump is simply one bad hombre.
 
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What else happened before TRump took office.

Liberals took campaign cash from Trump.
Liberals attended galas with Trump.
People like Jessie Jackson took money for 4 decades from Trump, singing his praises.

So what happened? Oh yeah...he ran as a republican and stole the democrats ring of power.

And they have been shrieking and crying ever since.

You know what MOST people care about? Hillary Clinton didnt place to judges on the Supreme court. Unemployment remains at record lows. Manufacturing jobs the previous administration said would NEVER come back are coming back. The economy is still booming. There are legit attempts at peace negotiations.

Most people dont care about the steady barrage of hatred promoted by the idiot left. MOST people see the economic disaster that the idiot left is promoting. Now I'll grant you that that is a tenuous left and that number may shift...and at that point, the idiot left may take over the WH and congress...promoted by their idiot leftist supporters. And when that happens...then the real fun is going to start.
 
JustHanging said:
Sooooo....that somehow makes it acceptable that the current POTUS is a racist lying POS?

Dang, no wonder your country is so screwed up right now.
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No...that shows (as does your comments) how readily and easily you and others on the left would have swallowed anything for your girl but **** yourself in your continued mock poutrage over Trump.


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