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Bernie Sanders Enters 2020 Presidential Campaign, No Longer An Underdog

I would be more worried about removing the emotionally-handicapped child out of the oval office right now...

Not if we're just going to replace him with some other emotionally-handicapped child.

Though I do find it very hard to believe that we could possibly do worse than Trump. However, every time I have said that "it cannot possibly be worse than..." the main Party seems to take it as a challenge. One they are most capable at overcoming, it appears.

Get rid of Trump, yes, great. But if you just replace him with some other **** candidate, then we haven't really gotten anywhere. We need to do better. We can do better if we choose.
 
Bernie Sanders Enters 2020 Presidential Campaign, No Longer An Underdog

February 19, 20196:22 AM ET

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I don't care who it is in 2020. Get the Orange Trumpet OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE!

Sanders winning several key primaries is a reflection of the other candidate, not Sanders. If he's no longer an underdog, nothing's changed.
 
Not if we're just going to replace him with some other emotionally-handicapped child.

Though I do find it very hard to believe that we could possibly do worse than Trump. However, every time I have said that "it cannot possibly be worse than..." the main Party seems to take it as a challenge. One they are most capable at overcoming, it appears.

Get rid of Trump, yes, great. But if you just replace him with some other **** candidate, then we haven't really gotten anywhere. We need to do better. We can do better if we choose.

You. I like you.

This is what I'm worried about on both sides. If we are so desperate to get rid of the guy that we end up with a mirror image, it's just as bad. I'm also worried that so many on the left are so sure they will win that they are ready to put up some of the most extreme folks they can find and will end up burning us whether they win or lose.
 
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Yeah, the "major parties will figure it out". They've figured it out. They're in control and you cannot get rid of them. They are out of your control now because you refuse to pressure them. You just buy into their propaganda and continue supporting the Status Quo all while believing that it will change or reform the Status Quo. It's an exercise in insanity. I just wish you weren't dragging me down with you.

The major parties have figured out that if you offer the voters a choice between the party for a bigger federal government or the party for a huge federal government then they must vote for more federal government.

Back in 1920 the federal government spent $59.97 per American citizen, or $653.84 in todays inflation-adjusted dollars. Today Washington provides much more, from Social Security to aircraft carriers to interstate highways and spends $11,194 for every man, woman and child.

No matter which party is in power, federal spending per capita has risen steadily for nearly 100 years. See todays infographic for the big picture.

Federal spending per capita has risen steadily for almost 100 years, today we spend $11,194 for every citizen
 
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Yeah, the "major parties will figure it out". They've figured it out. They're in control and you cannot get rid of them. They are out of your control now because you refuse to pressure them. You just buy into their propaganda and continue supporting the Status Quo all while believing that it will change or reform the Status Quo. It's an exercise in insanity. I just wish you weren't dragging me down with you.

"I just wish you weren't dragging me down with you."? That coming from the heaviest anchor on American society: a leftist...

You seem to misunderstand who defines the major parties. Like minded citizens. Perhaps you should band with like-minded citizens and form a new party, the leadership of which will eventually become entrenched until the "band" tosses them out.
 
Ranked choice has a couple flaws, but is superior to what we have now. I did a little looking into it and donated a little to a cause here trying to get it on the ballot. I would definitely support that change.



Could not possibly agree with this analysis more.

Just voted in the first ranked choice voting last year. It got implemented here in Santa Fe and that was it's first use. A lot of people were bitching about it mostly only due to it being change. But it worked.

It was used in our mayoral election and we had 5 people running. It worked well and someone didn't win with just 21% of the vote. No one will ever again be seated without 50%+1 actually liking that person.
 
I would give Sen. Sanders the same advice I’d give former VP Biden. Pledge to be a one-term President, with the added caveat being that they wouldn’t be looking over their shoulder at the latest polls on any specific issue.

Of all the mistakes Democrats made in 2016, since that election continues to be discussed ad nauseum, taking Sen. Kaine as a running mate versus Sen. Brown is still the biggest one, imho.

If Clinton had won, we’d be in a completely different constitutional crisis. Former Rep. Chaffetz would have led the impeachment of Clinton in 2017. McConnell would have blocked everything. We have his word on that. Democrats would not have gained the House and would probably have lost more Senate seats.

Gaining the House wasn’t long term gain over the short term pain of #45. The trump/McConnell federal judiciary will live on for decades. The systemic advantages that GOPs have with federal and state maps going into 2020 are still there. The 142 remaps in 2021 are still the ultimate prize, imho.

For now, I’d put up a Brown/Klobuchar ticket. Blue states will still be blue. Democrats must win back the Midwest. They must also fend off the latest Atwater/Miller boogiemen, such as socialism, open borders, and the radical left.

Fair assessment. I think Bernie has made significant in-roads in the rust belt and Appalachia. I'd also like to see a generational turn of power but I like the man's policies and that's most important to me.
 
As much as I would disagree with haymarket on a political level, I DO agree that Bernie's time has come and gone. Back in 2016, he would have, at least, gave Trump a much harder time than Hillary. He ran a platform that others on his side can get behind. He was able to connect with people, especially the younger crowd. He communicated his message articulately (even it was a little hard to understand him at times with his accent at times). Most importantly to the Democrat base, he had the greatest chance at defeating Trump back around that time. Hillary was complete garbage. The Democrat base did not want her at all. She ONLY ran on the message of "it's my time and no one else's, DEAL WITH IT!" That was it. No policies, platform, or even real connection was made with her base.

The DNC and the Democrat party as a whole, despite what others may say, did screw Bernie over big time. The first indicator was, and has been for a long time, the super delegates. The fact that their votes count more than regular delegates is just wrong. Next, the Saturday night debates. I don't know about anyone else, but who the hell watches political debates on a Saturday night? I did it once and, holy crap, I was bored out of my mind and wanted to do something else. And it was a way to divert people's attention away from it. Most people probably didn't even know that there was debate, so they didn't even get to hear what Bernie had to say. Finally, the amount of money that flowed into Hillary's campaign, the amount of advertisements, and the air time she got opposed to what little Bernie got was ridiculous. Somehow, though, Bernie still gave Hillary a ton of problems before she clutched the nomination, thanks to everything and every elitist out there that helped her out.

And here we are now. I think it's mistake for Bernie to run because he IS older. I know Trump's not much younger, but he's, at least, a young 72 year old (as odd as that may sound). If the Democrats were truly serious, they would push harder for a much younger person with that same mind set because not only that resonates with the base, but with the millenial generation coming in to take over, someone they can relate to would be better. Problem for them is not that they don't want a younger person, but rather they can't find someone within the age group, right now, that they're looking for that would stand out and unite them. Instead, it seems as though that they're waiting for Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to become eligible to run, and right now, she might be (or I should rather say she is) a disaster for them. So putting all your chips into one person and playing the wait game can be (very) bad.

For now, though, Bernie's is only the latest person running, and could be considered at this point in time, the front runner. His odds at winning the nomination might be pretty good, but the presidency? I don't see it. Even though I'm not a Leftist, it doesn't take anyone special to figure out that there isn't ANYONE, running or expected to run, whose standing out. Even with O'Rourke still expected to jump in this race, along with possibly Biden, their chances don't seem better than anyone else's. If you want my most honest opinion on who would have the greatest chance of beating Trump in 2020, if she decided to enter the race, it would be Michelle Obama. Young AND old people like her, she would have a solid platform with her party, and she would have a message that would connect to many others in the Democrat base. If she did enter, she would almost instantly become the front runner. No question about it. But anyway, I've gone on too long. I predict that Trump will be re-elected in 2020, but we'll see what happens.
 
Guess Right Winger's can't stand it because, Democrats won't sweep race under the rug and let white nationalism push its agenda uncontested.

See we know the game... Its the exact same as the white nationalist who attacked "any and very black leader that ever stood up for equality". The same white nationalist supporters and promoters claimed it "upset their apple cart", because they wanted to have the only apple cart, and any other cart that was to be on the streets.

This is not the late 1950's and the early 1960's when Southern Democrats pushed their Confederate Ideals, that became a pushed ideal by Republican by the era of 1968 forward....

We see and you see too... who the people are out pushing this race ignorance of the Jim Crow era, of still trying to use the police as a threat tool to promote their want to discriminate.... heck, the whole nation has seen it, and each time its seen it comes from a White Wing Republican Conservative.... be it in a doughnut shop, a bakery, apt building, or in a public park....
Heck, its seen across the nation in the "white flight" Suburb jumpers for one Suburb to the next, and when they can't jump far enough they seek out any state or area that pushes the Confederate ideology and the Antebellum styled segregation's...

So... don't try and push the Racist Stuff on Democrats... that childish ploy is not working and will not work. Anyone can look at the make up of the Trump Rally's and know exactly what "racial segregation looks like".
Utter BS.

Own it. Admit what you are. Everybody already knows.
 
Maybe.

I think Bernie would have beat Trump 2 years ago.
But with the state of mind the Dumbocrats are in right now, I'm not so sure Bernie's crazy enough to fit their bill.
Dumbocrats are so wound up with their bald-faced hatred of Trump, that they'll swing as far to the left as they can, just to show everyone how opposed to Trump they are. It's become a gawd damn contest. And these nut-case Dumbocrats...do they really think what they propose is Liberal or Socialist at all? Allow me to interject a bit of reality into this bat**** crazy frenzy of these morons.
In a society where everything is free...EVERYONE WORKS!!!
Its call Communism.

Obscurity...I think the idiots in the Dumbocratic party are so caught up with their TDS, that they are gong o throw the next election.

They sure just might.
 
Just voted in the first ranked choice voting last year. It got implemented here in Santa Fe and that was it's first use. A lot of people were bitching about it mostly only due to it being change. But it worked.

It was used in our mayoral election and we had 5 people running. It worked well and someone didn't win with just 21% of the vote. No one will ever again be seated without 50%+1 actually liking that person.

I read about that one. Seems like it went pretty smooth all things considered.
 
"I just wish you weren't dragging me down with you."? That coming from the heaviest anchor on American society: a leftist...

You seem to misunderstand who defines the major parties. Like minded citizens. Perhaps you should band with like-minded citizens and form a new party, the leadership of which will eventually become entrenched until the "band" tosses them out.

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You Republocrats are Big Government, Big Spending, Big Deficit, Big Brother, Big War, Big Corporation supporters and you want to call the libertarian the "heaviest anchor"

BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

The Republocrat Oligarchy is entrenched. They pretend to be two different parties, but their goals and aims are the same. Bigger government, bigger spending, bigger deficit, bigger influence, bigger control. All y'all hyperpartisans have allowed your hate for the otherside to blind you to the truth. So you won't vote third party, you'll only vote your Oligarchy and you somehow believe that by supporting your Oligarchy, your Oligarchy will change.

Trapped in a cycle that leads to the destruction of the Republic but you cannot see it.

It would be funny if y'all weren't dragging the rest of us down with you.
 
Fair assessment. I think Bernie has made significant in-roads in the rust belt and Appalachia. I'd also like to see a generational turn of power but I like the man's policies and that's most important to me.

Of course you do. But then, you liked Hugo Chavez' policies, too.

This message board doesn't look like America.

Bernie is a non-starter.
 
No, I'll be as astounded as you were that Hilarity lost. But, mark this down, Bernie will not be the Dim nominee. Save this post.

We will see. I wasn't surprised she lost. I didn't vote for her, and told everyone I knew she was going to lose. I live in the rust belt. I saw not a single Hillary sign for literally hundreds of miles.
 
I read about that one. Seems like it went pretty smooth all things considered.

There's only one beef I had with that election. They didn't sell it right. They said you had to rank the candidates but did NOT emphasize that you only rank the ones you like. You do not have to rank anyone you don't want to win.
 
Nixon was a paranoid nut. But his acts as President, his accomplishments are fantastic. I really think we would have done well with him for 8 years, had he not been so paranoid about things. Trump....man, trump couldn't even be a leech on the man's ass. Trump is not only more corrupt, but infinitely more ignorant and lacking in accomplishments.

As it relates to the topic, I don't hate Bernie, he has policies I wouldn't support, but I think he'd be better than Trump (though I'm pretty sure a pet rock would be better than Trump). I do think that the Democrats need to find a better candidate, someone younger but with the fire of Sanders (doesn't mean that they have to have his exact platform, but Bernie I do think has an actual political ideology that he believes in and believes will improve the Republic, I think we need someone who has a real ideology and not some bought and paid for Republocrat Status Quo crap).

We'll see if they can find one, or if they just put up Hillary again, lol.

Work was cancelled today so I was able to look up the last governor of Colorado I would like to see step up.

John hickenlooper...

John Hickenlooper - Wikipedia

I would like to see him step up and run...
 
Of course you do. But then, you liked Hugo Chavez' policies, too.

This message board doesn't look like America.

Bernie is a non-starter.

Your lies are so bad. Go troll elsewhere.
 
There's only one beef I had with that election. They didn't sell it right. They said you had to rank the candidates but did NOT emphasize that you only rank the ones you like. You do not have to rank anyone you don't want to win.

I thought that specification was a concession they made to get the practice in place? I don't remember the details, but I thought it was something along the lines of avoiding everyone ranking just 1 candidate and ending up with the same old election.
 
Work was cancelled today so I was able to look up the last governor of Colorado I would like to see step up.

John hickenlooper...

John Hickenlooper - Wikipedia

I would like to see him step up and run...

He wasn't bad as a governor, but I don't know if he's going to run. That being said, as I stated earlier, I prefer the Presidential candidate be pulled from the Governor population. Governors have experience at the Executive Branch level and I think it's much better to pull from that pool than from the Legislature.
 
I thought that specification was a concession they made to get the practice in place? I don't remember the details, but I thought it was something along the lines of avoiding everyone ranking just 1 candidate and ending up with the same old election.

The poll workers had a script and had to stick with it. And I voiced my complaint and they agreed but couldn't change the script.
 
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You Republocrats are Big Government, Big Spending, Big Deficit, Big Brother, Big War, Big Corporation supporters and you want to call the libertarian the "heaviest anchor"

BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

The Republocrat Oligarchy is entrenched. They pretend to be two different parties, but their goals and aims are the same. Bigger government, bigger spending, bigger deficit, bigger influence, bigger control. All y'all hyperpartisans have allowed your hate for the otherside to blind you to the truth. So you won't vote third party, you'll only vote your Oligarchy and you somehow believe that by supporting your Oligarchy, your Oligarchy will change.

Trapped in a cycle that leads to the destruction of the Republic but you cannot see it.

It would be funny if y'all weren't dragging the rest of us down with you.

So you agree that the left is the bigger drag on American society. You could have done that moe succinctly without going down the liberal talking points hole.
 
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