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Britain bans gasoline and diesel cars starting in 2040

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That's a commitment for sure. I can understand Britain's concern for air pollution since their coal disaster in the 1950's that killed so many people and impaired so many more.

Good on them.

Britain bans gasoline and diesel cars starting in 2040

Britain will ban sales of new gasoline and diesel cars starting in 2040 as part of a bid to clean up the country's air.

The decision to phase out the internal combustion engine heralds a new era of low-emission technologies with major implications for the auto industry, society and the environment.
"We can't carry on with diesel and petrol cars," U.K. environment secretary Michael Gove told the BBC on Wednesday. "There is no alternative to embracing new technology."

Almost 2.7 million new cars were registered in the U.K. in 2016, making it the second biggest market in Europe after Germany.

Meeting the 2040 deadline will be a heavy lift. British demand for electric and fuel cell cars, as well as plug-in hybrids, grew 40% in 2015, but they only accounted for less than 3% of the market.

Still, experts say sales of clean cars are likely to continue on their dramatic upward trajectory.​
 
Fake news, fossile fuel will never die, fake news!!




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I wonder if Britain will wave the tax on electricity for charging up all those cars?
 
longview said:
I wonder if Britain will wave the tax on electricity for charging up all those cars?
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How does that make sense? Is fuel currently not taxed?
 
I expect Germany and the UK will reverse both laws around 2034.

Germany especially as so much of their economy is based on automobile production and being seen as the producer of the most engaging cars for drivers
 
longview said:
I wonder if Britain will wave the tax on electricity for charging up all those cars?
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I'm sure there will be some needed adjustments along the way.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
I expect Germany and the UK will reverse both laws around 2034.

Germany especially as so much of their economy is based on automobile production and being seen as the producer of the most engaging cars for drivers
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Volkswagen and BMW and the like I think are aiming to go hard into electric cars.

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I gotta wonder how the people feel about their gov forcing them to convert?

Im glad I do not live there. This is all the more reason for us to do away with regulatory agentcies like the EPA here.

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poweRob said:
Volkswagen and BMW and the like I think are aiming to go hard into electric cars.
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They are

But to ban the sale outright of IC cars would be a huge blow to the german companies. They have to invest in IC engines and platforms for other markets and for the time up to the ban. The massive investments they have made previously in factories, R&D for IC engines and platforms that use them will be nearly fully wasted at that point. The costs to entirely switch for domestic production will be huge for Germany and I doubt the ban will go ahead. A significant tax on IC cars perhaps but not a ban
 
Its the British answer to everything: ban them.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
They are

But to ban the sale outright of IC cars would be a huge blow to the german companies. They have to invest in IC engines and platforms for other markets and for the time up to the ban. The massive investments they have made previously in factories, R&D for IC engines and platforms that use them will be nearly fully wasted at that point. The costs to entirely switch for domestic production will be huge for Germany and I doubt the ban will go ahead. A significant tax on IC cars perhaps but not a ban
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It's huge. But they still have a lot of the world to continue to market their IC cars in.
 
poweRob said:
That's a commitment for sure. I can understand Britain's concern for air pollution since their coal disaster in the 1950's that killed so many people and impaired so many more.

Good on them.

Britain bans gasoline and diesel cars starting in 2040

Britain will ban sales of new gasoline and diesel cars starting in 2040 as part of a bid to clean up the country's air.

The decision to phase out the internal combustion engine heralds a new era of low-emission technologies with major implications for the auto industry, society and the environment.
"We can't carry on with diesel and petrol cars," U.K. environment secretary Michael Gove told the BBC on Wednesday. "There is no alternative to embracing new technology."

Almost 2.7 million new cars were registered in the U.K. in 2016, making it the second biggest market in Europe after Germany.

Meeting the 2040 deadline will be a heavy lift. British demand for electric and fuel cell cars, as well as plug-in hybrids, grew 40% in 2015, but they only accounted for less than 3% of the market.

Still, experts say sales of clean cars are likely to continue on their dramatic upward trajectory.​
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23 years away, we'll see how successful it is. Hope people also understand energy generation as well. Maybe they can ban everything except renewable sources as well. wonder how far one can get with just solar and wind.
 
Good, more for me. What are they waiting for, though? They're fine with another 22 years of planetary destruction? Real commitment would be to start now.
 
poweRob said:
It's huge. But they still have a lot of the world to continue to market their IC cars in.
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Their IC cars are very good because of the german domestic market and the driving demands of it (ie potential high speeds and handling requirements). Their engineers know what a car needs to be for those conditions as they drive in those conditions. Take away that and German cars will have to compete on price and reliability with the Japanese, Koreans and potentially Chinese brands by that time (and of course US brands)

The price premium that BMW, Porsche, MB and Audi get in comparison to say Lexus, or Cadillac will drop.
 
X Factor said:
Good, more for me. What are they waiting for, though? They're fine with another 22 years of planetary destruction? Real commitment would be to start now.
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You're joking, right?
 
Ikari said:
23 years away, we'll see how successful it is. Hope people also understand energy generation as well. Maybe they can ban everything except renewable sources as well. wonder how far one can get with just solar and wind.
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We were just fine without electricity for the bulk of human existence so I think they should return to that if they're really committed.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
I expect Germany and the UK will reverse both laws around 2034.
Germany especially as so much of their economy is based on automobile production and being seen as the producer of the most engaging cars for drivers
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Why would they do that?

... as Ikari said, it's 23 years away. That's light years away in terms of technology. We went from brick phones to iPhones in 20.
 
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Ikari said:
23 years away, we'll see how successful it is. Hope people also understand energy generation as well. Maybe they can ban everything except renewable sources as well. wonder how far one can get with just solar and wind.
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I think the idea is that pollution from energy generation can be better controlled than from tailpipes of cars. So if they get cars on the grid, they can ween onto more and more clean resources.

I read some time ago about V2G which is Vehicle to Grid, which would allow people to charge at night (off-peak hours) at a low price and sell it back to the grid through their cars' plug to power the grid at peak time at peak time higher prices. This also supports the grid demand. Pretty neat stuff.
 
brothern said:
Why would they do that?
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The national infrastructure required to make all electric cars viable I doubt will be in place by that time. From the increase in electrical generation, to various charging stations for those travelling intercity

The cost to the car makers which is especially important to Germany compared to the UK with 3 major world manufacturers based in Germany. That cost could drive one or more of those companies out of business.

In my opinion an outright ban will be especially harmful to Germany's economy
 
poweRob said:
That's a commitment for sure. I can understand Britain's concern for air pollution since their coal disaster in the 1950's that killed so many people and impaired so many more.

Good on them.

Britain bans gasoline and diesel cars starting in 2040

Britain will ban sales of new gasoline and diesel cars starting in 2040 as part of a bid to clean up the country's air.

The decision to phase out the internal combustion engine heralds a new era of low-emission technologies with major implications for the auto industry, society and the environment.
"We can't carry on with diesel and petrol cars," U.K. environment secretary Michael Gove told the BBC on Wednesday. "There is no alternative to embracing new technology."

Almost 2.7 million new cars were registered in the U.K. in 2016, making it the second biggest market in Europe after Germany.

Meeting the 2040 deadline will be a heavy lift. British demand for electric and fuel cell cars, as well as plug-in hybrids, grew 40% in 2015, but they only accounted for less than 3% of the market.

Still, experts say sales of clean cars are likely to continue on their dramatic upward trajectory.​
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I thought electric cars were the wave of the future based on their merits?

But I see that the progressive fascists in the UK have to pass a law to get people to embace the lost secrets of Atlantis
 
brothern said:
Why would they do that?

... as Ikari said, it's 23 years away. That's light years away in terms of technology. We went from brick phones to iPhones in 20.
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And its been over 100 years since we developed an ICE car, yet we still havent found an alternative with the same fuel/energy efficiency.
 
trouble13 said:
I gotta wonder how the people feel about their gov forcing them to convert?

Im glad I do not live there. This is all the more reason for us to do away with regulatory agentcies like the EPA here.

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So long as we don't follow suit, I really kind of want to see this. They can scrap the idea at any time, though, so I'm skeptical how serious this really is.
 
Ikari said:
23 years away, we'll see how successful it is. Hope people also understand energy generation as well. Maybe they can ban everything except renewable sources as well. wonder how far one can get with just solar and wind.
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The Earth is being hit with petawatts of energy from the sun. If a coal power plant is 100 MW that's 1,000,000,000 MWs that the sun is shining on us.

The wiki puts it this way,

The amount of solar energy reaching the surface of the planet is so vast that in one year [solar radiation] is about twice as much as will ever be obtained from all of the Earth's non-renewable resources of coal, oil, natural gas, and mined uranium combined.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_energy

That is why solar & wind is so incredibly key for us to use. (Solar energy is why the wind blows.)
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
The national infrastructure required to make all electric cars viable I doubt will be in place by that time. From the increase in electrical generation, to various charging stations for those travelling intercity

The cost to the car makers which is especially important to Germany compared to the UK with 3 major world manufacturers based in Germany. That cost could drive one or more of those companies out of business.

In my opinion an outright ban will be especially harmful to Germany's economy
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23 years is a long time with as fast as things are moving. I think it's possible for them. Telsa's infranstructe for charging stations dot the USA now and that took relatively little time especially for being first. And for being in a really large landmass country.
 
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