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No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump[W:400]******

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Conservative said:
Let's see, 60 days into the Obama Administration he signed an 842 billion stimulus program that took employment from 142 million down to 139 million two years later and took his approval ratings with him along with the House in 2010. Was that something you called a success? Here we have Trump in office 60 days and you have already defined him as a failure. there is no logic or common sense in anything you post thus destroying what little credibility you have. You really don't have any problem posting bs like you do sitting safely behind a computer screen. You are exactly what is wrong with today's Socialist I mean Democratic Party of radicals
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Thank you for the individual smears that you always throw at Democratic posters, Conservative.

65 days of investigations, lies, incompetence, corruption, dysfunctionality, conflicts of interest, and a completely compromised house chair Nunes.

Pray that Pence is not involved in this .
 
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NIMBY said:
Hastert rule in the house right this moment in 2017.

Do join us in the current year of 2017 of the trump collapse .
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Trump is president right now because of the Obama/Clinton collapse.
 
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Moderate Right said:
Trump is president right now because of the Obama/Clinton collapse.
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Why did the terrible trumpcare bill fail ?
 
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NIMBY said:
You mean the 8 years McConnell broke all time records for filibusters and forced his nuclear option developed in 2005 with Frist .
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Ried stalled everything in the Senate for years and you know it.
 
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Moderate Right said:
Ried stalled everything in the Senate for years and you know it.
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Stay focused on getting rid of the Hastert rule here in 2017 .
 
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NIMBY said:
Thank you for the individual smears that you always throw at Democratic posters, Conservative.

65 days of investigations, lies, incompetence, corruption, dysfunctionality, conflicts of interest, and a completely compromised house chair Nunes.

Pray that Pence is not involved in this .
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I don't have to pray except for the mental health of all those who hate Trump just because of his personality, investigate, distort, divert, stonewall is the new Democratic Plan implemented by radicals trying to actually destroy this country. If those are the people you want to be associated with then change your lean because no moderate makes a decision based upon 65 days. It is rather sad to see what has happened to the party I grew up with and supported for decades. That party of Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Schumer, Clinton, Waters left the mainstream a long time ago. Those are who you are supporting and that isn't the foundation upon which this country was built. Trump won the election with a populist message that the establishment hates and is fighting tooth and nail. You are in for a long four eyars
 
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NIMBY said:
Stay focused on getting rid of the Hastert rule here in 2017 .
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Do you know what the term informal means???? There is NO HASTERT RULE AS OFFICIAL POLICY. This is just another lie from you. Is there no end to your distortions?
 
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Moderate Right said:
Oh please. Now you're saying that Republicans failure to repeal and replace Obamacare is bad?
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Yes, it IS bad for them. In the meeting that Trump had with Congressional leaders, he blew up and told them, if they couldn't pass it, it would hurt his chances for reelection, although I don't believe he's going to make it until next election.

This was supposed to have been an ideological victory for them. Instead it has turned into a huge defeat. Not even a lot of Republicans liked the bill, and they were going to vote against it too.

Look, Republicans control Congress and the Presidency, but they don't control the American people, who put tons of pressure on their own Republican Congressmen, who want to keep their jobs in 2018. If Republicans truly want to come out as heroes instead of Bozos, they need to put something on the table that is not extremist. Otherwise, they are going to be in a world of hurt come midterm elections.
 
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Conservative said:
Do you know what the term informal means???? There is NO HASTERT RULE AS OFFICIAL POLICY. This is just another lie from you. Is there no end to your distortions?
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Official ... unofficial ... it really does not matter does it as long as it is being honored.
 
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danarhea said:
Yes, it IS bad for them. In the meeting that Trump had with Congressional leaders, he blew up and told them, if they couldn't pass it, it would hurt his chances for reelection, although I don't believe he's going to make it until next election.

This was supposed to have been an ideological victory for them. Instead it has turned into a huge defeat. Not even a lot of Republicans liked the bill, and they were going to vote against it too.

Look, Republicans control Congress and the Presidency, but they don't control the American people, who put tons of pressure on their own Republican Congressmen, who want to keep their jobs in 2018. If Republicans truly want to come out as heroes instead of Bozos, they need to put something on the table that is not extremist. Otherwise, they are going to be in a world of hurt come midterm elections.
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Here is the problem for them. If you want to build upon the health insurance system we have had in this country since the late 40s, where you got most people of working age covered under their employer's group plan, old people on Medicare, and the very poor on Medicaid, then any healthcare reform plan will have to look a lot like the ACA if you want it to cover as many people. There isn't any other way of doing it. You got to figure that the Democrats spent years before 2008 working with various wonks and think tanks on what healthcare reform would look like. Then in the 2008 elections, all the Democratic candidates (other than Kucinich who wanted single payer) were proposing a healthcare reform plan that look a lot like what ACA would end up being. The reason for that is that if you are going to build on the current system, its the only feasible way of doing it.

So what they really should do is fix the problems with the ACA because they are not going to be able to replace it with anything that doesn't look and work just like it.
 
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danarhea said:
Yes, it IS bad for them. In the meeting that Trump had with Congressional leaders, he blew up and told them, if they couldn't pass it, it would hurt his chances for reelection, although I don't believe he's going to make it until next election.

This was supposed to have been an ideological victory for them. Instead it has turned into a huge defeat. Not even a lot of Republicans liked the bill, and they were going to vote against it too.

Look, Republicans control Congress and the Presidency, but they don't control the American people, who put tons of pressure on their own Republican Congressmen, who want to keep their jobs in 2018. If Republicans truly want to come out as heroes instead of Bozos, they need to put something on the table that is not extremist. Otherwise, they are going to be in a world of hurt come midterm elections.
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Look, you are smarter than that, you believe Trump is worried about re-election 4 years from now after being in the office only 60 days? I don't believe that for a minute. All I see are continued temper tantrums from the left who didn't get what the wanted whatever that is. I am not sure what the issue is, Democrats ought to be celebrating the keeping of ACA which obviously they love. Trump has eliminated the taxes associated with it so let's see how many actually drop their insurance
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
Here is the problem for them. If you want to build upon the health insurance system we have had in this country since the late 40s, where you got most people of working age covered under their employer's group plan, old people on Medicare, and the very poor on Medicaid, then any healthcare reform plan will have to look a lot like the ACA if you want it to cover as many people. There isn't any other way of doing it. You got to figure that the Democrats spent years before 2008 working with various wonks and think tanks on what healthcare reform would look like. Then in the 2008 elections, all the Democratic candidates (other than Kucinich who wanted single payer) were proposing a healthcare reform plan that look a lot like what ACA would end up being. The reason for that is that if you are going to build on the current system, its the only feasible way of doing it.

So what they really should do is fix the problems with the ACA because they are not going to be able to replace it with anything that doesn't look and work just like it.
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So you think ACA is working? Please explain to me why Democrats lost the House in 2010 after passing of ACA, didn't regain it in 2012 and then lost the entire Congress in 2014-2016. Now you are either very poorly informed or a partisan trying to sell that failed program as if it were a success
 
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Conservative said:
Look, you are smarter than that, you believe Trump is worried about re-election 4 years from now after being in the office only 60 days? I don't believe that for a minute. All I see are continued temper tantrums from the left who didn't get what the wanted whatever that is. I am not sure what the issue is, Democrats ought to be celebrating the keeping of ACA which obviously they love. Trump has eliminated the taxes associated with it so let's see how many actually drop their insurance
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Are you calling Trump a liar? :mrgreen:
 
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Conservative said:
So you think ACA is working? Please explain to me why Democrats lost the House in 2010 after passing of ACA, didn't regain it in 2012 and then lost the entire Congress in 2014-2016. Now you are either very poorly informed or a partisan trying to sell that failed program as if it were a success
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I think its covering tens of millions of people that did not have coverage prior to it. Not covering those people now is politically unfeasible, as we have just witnessed. So any replacement the Republicans come up with will have to cover as many people as the ACA does. The only way of doing that is to build a replacement that looks just like the ACA, so what is the point?

There are obviously problems with the ACA, what it needs is reforming.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
I think its covering tens of millions of people that did not have coverage prior to it. Not covering those people now is politically unfeasible, as we have just witnessed. So any replacement the Republicans come up with will have to cover as many people as the ACA does. The only way of doing that is to build a replacement that looks just like the ACA, so what is the point?

There are obviously problems with the ACA, what it needs is reforming.
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that is what you have been told but you cannot prove that we needed ACA to do that. What ACA did was put mandates and forced people into healthcare they may or many not have wanted. Seems that personal choice has taken a backseat to partisan politics. Remember the Architect of ACA, Gruber, he gave a very insightful report stating that most of the uninsured who you are now giving credit to ACA were actually eligible for Medicaid under the old program. Now how about answering my question instead of posting partisan rhetoric and diverting from the question. it doesn't appear that the American people share your enthusiasm because the People's House went under Republican control right after ACA passed. You just don't force Americans to buy what they don't want
 
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Conservative said:
Approval ratings come and go, go up and go down. Wait until you see the tax reform and the jobs being created which will drive people like you into hiding. That will be a great thing for us all
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Good luck with Trump improving anything. As we saw with HC, he's inept as well as a traitor. Putin is the only winner in this.

RUSSIA has for the first time admitted to a large scale cyber warfare campaign which is focused on spreading fake news.
Without specifying exactly who, or what, hackers have influenced, the Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu revealed that Russian “information troops” were involved in “intelligent, effective propaganda”.
It’s the first time the country has admitted to the scale of its information warfare effort and follows repeated allegations that the Russian state has launched cyber attacks against the West.
There were several allegations that Russian hackers had played a part in leaks during the US presidential campaign which saw Donald Trump take up a place in the White House earlier this year.
And there is “clear evidence” of direct Russian involvement in British elections, a Labour former minister has said.
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2939781/russia-admits-its-information-troops-are-waging-a-massive-cyber-war-against-the-west-and-spread-fake-news/
 
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iguanaman said:
Good luck with Trump improving anything. As we saw with HC, he's inept as well as a traitor.
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Well, that is your opinion but as with most issues you and NIMBY have the same credibility.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
I think its covering tens of millions of people that did not have coverage prior to it. Not covering those people now is politically unfeasible, as we have just witnessed. So any replacement the Republicans come up with will have to cover as many people as the ACA does. The only way of doing that is to build a replacement that looks just like the ACA, so what is the point?

There are obviously problems with the ACA, what it needs is reforming.
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See, here is the problem and what supporters of ACA want to ignore just like they ignore the election results as well when Obama lost the House from 2010 ON

When Obamacare is Medicaid
 
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iguanaman said:
Good luck with Trump improving anything. As we saw with HC, he's inept as well as a traitor. Putin is the only winner in this.



https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2939781/russia-admits-its-information-troops-are-waging-a-massive-cyber-war-against-the-west-and-spread-fake-news/
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Great but what you forget is that the left thinks the American people stupid which is why you lost the election. Seems that the truly stupid people are the ones supporting all the distortion, diversion, and radical activities trying to destroy the Trump Presidency 60 days after taking office totally ignoring the Obama record his first TWO years.

You just don't get it, you want someone to tell you what you want to hear then do what the hell they want which is what Obama did and why the record doesn't match your rhetoric. The American people get it, Hillary was an incompetent lying bitch who is a multi millionaire because of people like you who pay to listen to her speeches and ignore what she did
 
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Conservative said:
that is what you have been told but you cannot prove that we needed ACA to do that. What ACA did was put mandates and forced people into healthcare they may or many not have wanted. Seems that personal choice has taken a backseat to partisan politics. Remember the Architect of ACA, Gruber, he gave a very insightful report stating that most of the uninsured who you are now giving credit to ACA were actually eligible for Medicaid under the old program. Now how about answering my question instead of posting partisan rhetoric and diverting from the question. it doesn't appear that the American people share your enthusiasm because the People's House went under Republican control right after ACA passed. You just don't force Americans to buy what they don't want
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Come up with something better then.....Oh...wait....yeah, you guys tried to and you couldn't.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
Come up with something better then.....Oh...wait....yeah, you guys tried to and you couldn't.
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We don't need anything better, Healthcare is a personal responsibility issue let the states handle it. You guys? I wasn't for ACA in the first place so I have nothing to replace. You want someone else to pay for your insurance? I doubt that as I believe you just want the issue and the power
 
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Fearandloathing said:
How is it the Democrats are in the wrong?
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Do you don't believe that the Democrats et. al. are wrong in continuing to centralize power and control over the electorate's lives in DC?

OK, but I find it rather disturbing and troubling, and the wrong thing to do.

All they did was sit on their hands and watch your team **** up, **** up some more and then really **** up.

Please tell me whate happened to all those "alternatives" the Republicans claimed Reid would not let them table? if they were so ****ing good as you and others claimed, where are they now?

For eight years you guys have been whining about Obamacare. Yet the minute they get control of both houses they can't get agreement within their own party.

And that's the Democrats fault?

Come on, you're making me laugh to hard to eat.

Last, 'now I can focus on tax reform, which I really like.."

I can't wait for that episode...although with a heart condition I may laugh myself to death.
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I wasn't discussing ObamaCare specifically. This is something that you injected into my post for some reason. Granted, the thread is about ObamaCare, however, my comment wasn't specific to that.
 
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Conservative said:
We don't need anything better, Healthcare is a personal responsibility issue let the states handle it. You guys? I wasn't for ACA in the first place so I have nothing to replace. You want someone else to pay for your insurance? I doubt that as I believe you just want the issue and the power
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You can't write it off so casually.
'Mandates' was a Republican idea to stop freeloading. They just didn't like it when/because the Dems adopted it.
Those people will end up at ERs anyway, and not pay the exorbitant one time/one-night/one-week stay.
 
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mbig said:
You can't write it off so casually.
'Mandates' was a Republican idea to stop freeloading. They just didn't like it when/because the Dems adopted it.
Those people will end up at ERs anyway, and not pay the exorbitant one time/one-night/one-week stay.
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No, you don't make mandates for personal responsibility issues to any American and that isn't a Conservative principle. Not sure where you got that idea but that isn't the Conservative Principle that I would ever support. The question is why do you?
 
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