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NSA Whistleblower Backs Trump Up on Wiretap Claims[W:364]

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16 years removed from the NSA? I was using Windows 95 at the time. Talk about a R-E-A-L stretch :lamo
 
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tres borrachos said:
Proof that President Obama ordered a tap on Donald Trump's phones would be a great start.
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This guy doesn't claim that.

Mukasey said. "The president was not correct in saying President Obama ordered a tap on a server in Trump Tower. However, I think he's right in that there was surveillance and that it was conducted at the behest of the attorney general – at the Justice Department through the FISA court."
 
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Rogue Valley said:
16 years removed from the NSA? I was using Windows 95 at the time. Talk about a R-E-A-L stretch :lamo
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I'm still using DOS 2.11.
 
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tres borrachos said:
This man resigned from the NSA 16 years ago. Therefore, he has exactly zero knowledge of what President Obama did last year. Zero. Having helped develop the program doesn't prove that President Obama committed a felony. Period.

If this went to court, do you think anyone would say "Oh, he wasn't there, he doesn't know anything, but I believe him. Obama is guilty!".

No.
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Well, goodness gracious Tres....Do you think that little ol' us on the boards here is supposed to have the 'smoking gun' evidence that there are investigations ongoing about? Just so's we can prove it to you? Listen, I admire your wanting concrete proof before implicating a former President in something like that, but I just wish you'd give the same benefit of the doubt to the sitting President.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Proof that President Obama ordered a tap on Donald Trump's phones would be a great start.
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I hope Trump supporters have Physio on their medical care, as all that twisting and turning, they may throw a finger or jaw out of place.
 
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Brewdog said:
This guy doesn't claim that.

Mukasey said. "The president was not correct in saying President Obama ordered a tap on a server in Trump Tower. However, I think he's right in that there was surveillance and that it was conducted at the behest of the attorney general – at the Justice Department through the FISA court."
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Donald Trump claimed that.

How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!

I'd bet a good lawyer could make a great case out of the fact that President Obama was tapping my phones in October, just prior to Election!

Is it legal for a sitting President to be "wire tapping" a race for president prior to an election? Turned down by court earlier. A NEW LOW!

Still waiting for proof.
 
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j-mac said:
Well, goodness gracious Tres....Do you think that little ol' us on the boards here is supposed to have the 'smoking gun' evidence that there are investigations ongoing about? Just so's we can prove it to you? Listen, I admire your wanting concrete proof before implicating a former President in something like that, but I just wish you'd give the same benefit of the doubt to the sitting President.
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What investigations are ongoing into President Trump's claim that his predecessor committed a felony?

Yes, when you accuse someone of a crime you're supposed to provide proof. That's how it works.
 
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Wow, this just keeps getting worse and worse for Obama.

If true, then Trump should use it to prove once again that the media are liars and frauds. They are the ones who claimed many times there were wiretaps.
Outcome: Trump wins

If false, then if there were no FISA authorizations, the wiretaps were illegal and amount to subversion and treason.
Outcome: Trump wins

If there were wire taps and FISA authorizations then Obama's administration is responsible for a scandal far bigger and more serious than Watergate.
Outcome: Trump wins

Barry and his community organizers went rogue with this tapping- the truth will put this gang where they belong, let the games begin!

We all know that O'bummer surveilled Trump... I just hope we can prove it! You would have to be a complete moron to
believe nobama and his criminal cronies didn't have anything to do with this.
 
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j-mac said:
Hi Shrub...
.Are you also of that mind when it comes to the claims that Trump colluded with the Russian's?
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If it's not proven in court it's just people passing their time with gossip.
 
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slick said:
If true, then Trump should use it to prove once again that the media are liars and frauds. They are the ones who claimed many times there were wiretaps.
Outcome: Trump wins

Wow, this just keeps getting worse and worse for Obama.

If false, then if there were no FISA authorizations, the wiretaps were illegal and amount to subversion and treason.
Outcome: Trump wins

If there were wire taps and FISA authorizations then Obama's administration is responsible for a scandal far bigger and more serious than Watergate.
Outcome: Trump wins

Barry and his community organizers went rogue with this tapping- the truth will put this gang where they belong, let the games begin!


We all know that O'bummer surveilled Trump... I just hope we can prove it! You would have to be a complete moron to
believe nobama and his criminal cronies didn't have anything to do with this.
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O'bummer. Cute.

Since you all know this is true, maybe you can all produce your proof. Not everyone in the country ignores the "innocent until proven guilty" part of our foundation. Just partisans and kids.
 
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Rogue Valley said:
Floppy drive? I remember those days ;)
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I thought my Tandy 1000 was the best thing ever!
 
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tres borrachos said:
Donald Trump claimed that.

How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!

I'd bet a good lawyer could make a great case out of the fact that President Obama was tapping my phones in October, just prior to Election!

Is it legal for a sitting President to be "wire tapping" a race for president prior to an election? Turned down by court earlier. A NEW LOW!

Still waiting for proof.
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The most sense the man makes is when someone else speaks for him. Well excluding Spicer.
 
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j-mac said:
"What is it about Trump supporters that make them all lemmings to the lies and conspiracy theorists now? Wow some Trump supporters are getting dumber by the day."

Nothing about this part of your post had a single thing to do with "truth".... It was a snotty little attack, and do it again and I'll be reporting it....Got it?
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Didn't you say you weren't responding to me anymore? You keep proving me right
 
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Brewdog said:
I thought my Tandy 1000 was the best thing ever!
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Excuse me sir but you dropped your phone.

first-car-phone.jpg
 
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tres borrachos said:
O'bummer. Cute.

Since you all know this is true, maybe you can all produce your proof. Not everyone in the country ignores the "innocent until proven guilty" part of our foundation. Just partisans and kids.
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And when trump is proven once again to be a liar, this time a libelous liar, Americans will get to know the 25th amendment .
 
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azgreg said:
Excuse me sir but you dropped your phone.

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lol yeah those things. We had a scanner at the house and you could listen to those calls on the open air.
 
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tres borrachos said:
O'bummer. Cute.

Since you all know this is true, maybe you can all produce your proof. Not everyone in the country ignores the "innocent until proven guilty" part of our foundation. Just partisans and kids.
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Since Trump was the obvious target, the alleged failure to disclose his name in the second application could be a serious
and severe violation of the obligation to disclose all material facts. Lastly, given the later behavior, it is evident any promise
in the affidavit to protect the surveilled information from ever being sourced or disseminated was a false promise, intended
to induce the illicit surveillance. This is criminalized both by federal perjury statutes, conspiracy statutes, and the FISA criminal laws themselves.
 
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tres borrachos said:
I'd bet a good lawyer could make a great case out of the fact that President Obama was tapping my phones in October, just prior to Election!
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Key words are bolded in red. Trump unambiguously states that Obama tapping his phones in late 2016 is a fact.

Why can Trump not produce ANY evidence to verify this fact? Why not even one tiny morsel of supporting evidence? Because no such evidence/fact exists.
 
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NIMBY said:
And when trump is proven once again to be a liar, this time a libelous liar, Americans will get to know the 25th amendment .
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Listening to Lawrence O'Donnell on MSNBC has known to be hazardous to one's mental health.
 
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NIMBY said:
And when trump is proven once again to be a liar, this time a libelous liar, Americans will get to know the 25th amendment .
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Nawh, conservatives are using the excuse that he's a neophyte, can't be held responsible. Apparently ignorance is an excuse to **** up the entire government! :lamo
 
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slick said:
Since Trump was the obvious target, the alleged failure to disclose his name in the second application could be a serious
and severe violation of the obligation to disclose all material facts. Lastly, given the later behavior, it is evident any promise
in the affidavit to protect the surveilled information from ever being sourced or disseminated was a false promise, intended
to induce the illicit surveillance. This is criminalized both by federal perjury statutes, conspiracy statutes, and the FISA criminal laws themselves.
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So your proof is....what? None that I can see.
 
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j-mac said:
I don't believe Clapper, because we know that Clapper is a known liar on the subject. This man helped develop the program used here....What is about that you won't accept?
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You posting that Clapper is a known liar is most ironic in a thread where you're supporting a guy who you know is a confirmed life-long liar .
 
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Rogue Valley said:
Key words are bolded in red. Trump unambiguously states that Obama tapping his phones in late 2016 is a fact.

Why can Trump not produce ANY evidence to verify this fact? Why not even one tiny morsel of supporting evidence? Because no such evidence/fact exists.
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Trump can declassify information quicker than I can type this post. That declassification will prove his claim to be true. Yet for some odd reason, he won't do that. Why is that?

Then again, why should he deliver proof when his loyal supporters bob their heads, use the words of a guy who hasn't worked in DC in 16 years, and a Breitbart article to say "Trump is right! Obama is a felon!". I can't believe they haven't started the cheers of "Lock him up!" yet but I'm sure that's forthcoming. Probably a lot sooner than Trump's proof.
 
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