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Roy Moore Might Win. Blame the Media

tres borrachos said:
Who are you, and who are "you people" and my "gang"?
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I am Buzz62.
If you are not one of these SJW freaks, then I'm sorry for lumping you in with them.
The media will most definitely play a large part in the Alabama election.
The more they talk about Moore as if there's a there there, the better Moore's chances of actually winning.
 
LowDown said:
“How have we reached a point in this country when nearly half the voters of a U.S. state so mistrust, and even revile, major media outlets that they are willing to brush aside credible evidence and elect an accused sexual predator simply out of spite? How have we reached a point where a president of the United States can just declare ‘fake’ news he doesn’t like—and largely get away with it?”

How, you ask? Consider this and this.

Also:



You betcha.
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Yep, idiots are more than willing to dismiss news they don't like as "fake." It's a big part of the self indulgence of the Trump cult where they simply can't handle reality so they live in their own fantasy world.
 
Buzz62 said:
And that will be very counter productive.
How many "Trumps" need to get elected to public office before you people realize that nobody likes to be talked down to?
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I saw a cartoon once that said something like,..."OK, you slam rural conservative white people for every sin under the stars, then you are surprised that few of them vote for you"?
I have to say as a conservative (on some things) white male it has been open season on me for decades and I personally was blamed for all ills of the world. It came to a head in 2016 when I was almost physically attacked by a man and a woman when they found out I voted from Trump. They looked at me as if it was their moral responsibility to kill me for performing such a horrendous act as voting my choice in an election, and not their choice. That right there is what is wrong with this country. RESPECT other peoples choices. Be it in an election, a sexual lifestyle, what they say, where they choose to live, or what vehicle they drive. The left just cannot understand other people do not think like they do, so they feel entitled to attack them to the cheering crowd.....and have.

THIS ^^^^ is the root of the problem. Liberals need to realize those that do not think like they do, are also responsible, intelligent, and loyal Americans. I have not seen one admit to this.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Yep, idiots are more than willing to dismiss news they don't like as "fake." It's a big part of the self indulgence of the Trump cult where they simply can't handle reality so they live in their own fantasy world.
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It wasn't Trump supporters who where howling at the night sky on the one year anniversary of trumps election, and rioted for two or three days after the election. Burning and breaking.
 
Captain Adverse said:
The key word is accused. Not "admitted," "proven," or "convicted."

If I were a member of a political party in a battle to maintain control over the reins of government, and one of the candidates I had to vote for to win a seat for that party has been accused of "crimes" where there is no evidence but naked claims supported by gossip?

I might very well still vote for my party's candidate, because if something does come from the allegations, he can always be removed later.

Much preferable to giving up a political advantage simply on the basis of accusations.

Another opportunity to use one of my favorite Monty Python segments:
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Fast and loose post, rife with dishonest deflections.

The question is whether he should be given federal power. Nobody applies proof beyond reasonable doubt to an election, so stop talking about it like we're discussing a criminal trial. It's not. It's an election.

(And of course, there's also more than just accusations).



But hey, at least we got a Monty Python clip this time.

:coffeepap
 
And of course, there's one simple fact showing up all Moore's defenders for their hypocrisy in defending him: those people did not wait for Hillary Clinton to be "convicted".

She wasn't convicted of anything, of course, but she was treated as guilty based on accusation or even less. For example, the insinuation that she somehow murdered Vince Foster.




But hey, Hillary was a Democrat and it's important to upset liberals at all costs, so Moore's defenders couldn't find a scruple to save their life.

But now, Moore is a Republican, so suddenly scruples are found. Suddenly, they're important. Suddenly we must not smear people who haven't been convicted.





Typical.
 
PleasantValley said:
It wasn't Trump supporters who where howling at the night sky on the one year anniversary of trumps election, and rioted for two or three days after the election. Burning and breaking.
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Nope, they "just" supported a draft dodger who attacked POWs and the family of a war hero killed in action.
 
You might consider blaming the double standard at play. Currently, with all the pretense of poutrage over the allegations regarding Roy Moore and the full court press coverage of those allegations, there has been tepid coverage of Franken and Conyers, with eve people like Nancy Pelosi and Congressman Jackie Speier throwing out the "horrible if true but remember...there is a presumption of innocence until proven guilty" caveat. So is the standard applied or isnt it?
 
Captain Adverse said:
The key word is accused. Not "admitted," "proven," or "convicted."

If I were a member of a political party in a battle to maintain control over the reins of government, and one of the candidates I had to vote for to win a seat for that party has been accused of "crimes" where there is no evidence but naked claims supported by gossip?

I might very well still vote for my party's candidate, because if something does come from the allegations, he can always be removed later.

Much preferable to giving up a political advantage simply on the basis of accusations.

Another opportunity to use one of my favorite Monty Python segments:

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As I pointed out in another thread, it really shouldn't be much of a surprise if Roy Moore wins... all that Alabamans would need to doubt is the forceful nature of Roy Moore's actions. The idea of an older established man courting younger women isn't really scandalous in the South, or it wasn't several decades ago. Poor white southern families had very few avenues to lift themselves out of poverty. In many areas a family's best hope was for their daughters to marry out of poverty. Most families would readily support their teen daughters being courted by an established lawyer.

So, if Roy Moore wins it will, in my opinion, be more a matter of believing the stories about Moore seeking relationships with teen girls but disbelieving the claims of sexual assault.

BUT, there is another group who might believe all of it is true but also believe in the Southern Baptist/Evangelical tradition of redemption and believe Roy Moore isn't that guy anymore. It isn't all that different from the Democrats today claiming that Franken and Conyers should keep their seat because their votes are more valuable than their sins are costly.

But no matter how you look at it, the situation is a bit more complicated than "If Roy Moore wins it means that Alabamans endorse child rape".
 
VanceMack said:
You might consider blaming the double standard at play. Currently, with all the pretense of poutrage over the allegations regarding Roy Moore and the full court press coverage of those allegations, there has been tepid coverage of Franken and Conyers, with eve people like Nancy Pelosi and Congressman Jackie Speier throwing out the "horrible if true but remember...there is a presumption of innocence until proven guilty" caveat. So is the standard applied or isnt it?
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Hell, there are liberal pundits who are arguing that even if Conyers and Franken are guilty it is more important to keep them on for their vote than make them pay for their actions.
 
notquiteright said:
We haven't reached a point where the President can get away with lying to the American people, only the rabid right is giving him a pass... :peace
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The President can't get away with lying? Are you kidding? They all get away with lying if they're Democrats.
 
Buzz62 said:
Is there any PROOF to back-up these very convenient accusations?
Look...anyone who's turned on CNN or MSNBC or ABC or...any MSM other than FOX (who have their own credibility issues), knows that news has morphed into an endless litany of Trump-bashing. Don Lemon and the rest of those self-absorbed, butt-hurt assholes on CNN need to be replaced by a simple ticker-tape of just the news.

But again...is there any PROOF...what so ever?
If the answer is "no", then why should the conservatives of Alabama believe accusations stated as facts, in what looks like an obvious attempt to taint a Judge's reputation during a senatorial election?
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The guy is an admitted homophobe, thats reason enough too vote for his opponent. Nevermind the accusations of child molestation.
 
Mr Person said:
Fast and loose post, rife with dishonest deflections.

The question is whether he should be given federal power. Nobody applies proof beyond reasonable doubt to an election, so stop talking about it like we're discussing a criminal trial. It's not. It's an election.

(And of course, there's also more than just accusations).



But hey, at least we got a Monty Python clip this time.

:coffeepap
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This would have sounded better had you said it about Clinton back in 1992 or so. Or about Conyers or Franken now.
 
yankintx said:
The guy is an admitted homophobe, thats reason enough too vite for his opponent.
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In much of the country homophobia is a feature, not a bug.
 
LowDown said:
This would have sounded better had you said it about Clinton back in 1992 or so. Or about Conyers or Franken now.
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Trust me, I wasn't waiting for any of the guilty parties to weigh in.



Clinton hasn't been convicted of anything either, so the whole "but Moore hasn't been convicted" thing is blatant hypocrisy. Yeah, no **** he hasn't been, but that's never the standard we've judged politicians by in deciding whether to elect them.

And I know that the people I'm criticizing know that, so like I said, the validity of my point does not turn on whether or not they choose to admit anything.
 
HowardBThiname said:
It would depend on one's point of view, I assume, whether they want to "blame" or "credit" the media.

However they choose to look at it, though, the media played a HUGE role in getting Trump elected.
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Only to the right wing who sees the media as an intrusion into their artificial reality.
 
Chomsky said:
So you're blaming the media, if Alabaman's elect an accused child molester to the Senate?

Maybe they should take responsibility for their actions, rather than blaming a bogeyman. They're the ones pulling the handle!
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You're being much to charitable referring to the Judge as an 'accused child molester' that puts you at only a '7' on the 'Fake News' scale.
If you want credibility with other SJW here is a little advice as some have dropped 'accused' even in this thread and simply refer to More
as a flat & out pedophiliac. If you were to stray from the truth just a little bit more & establish that he's an 'admitted child molester'
your credibility with Fake News advocates would soar maybe you'd even rate a '9'. After Moore becomes SENATOR I'd advise you
condemn him as a 'convicted pedophiliac' and you'd get high-fives from the entire SJW contingency along with a '10' on the FAKE NEWS
SCALE.

Fake news sycophants just can’t figure out why the Judge Moore allegations aren’t sticking.
Why don't all the haters grasp that all these women accusers accusations have been debunked in one way or another. A week ago
it looked like the smear campaign might bare fruit with the odds being in favor of Jones winning possibility in Las Vegas.

Last week US Senate - Alabama Special Election Winner
Thu 12/12 951 Roy Moore wins Alabama special election +105
9:00AM 952 Field wins Alabama special election -145



TODAY US Senate - Alabama Special Election Winner
Thu 12/12 951 Roy Moore wins Alabama special election -400
9:00AM 952 Field wins Alabama special election +280

It's all over Moore will win handily. Why not accept defeat and go back to the Russian Collusion stuff that
nonsense isn't on life support yet.
 
haymarket said:
Only to the right wing who sees the media as an intrusion into their artificial reality.
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To many on the Left, as well, who warned early on in the campaign that giving Trump all that free advertisement would backfire.

And, of course, it did.
 
haymarket said:
So if Ray Moore wins, the radical right wing who live in their own delusional reality apart from the rest of society, is ready to blame the media who they despise and abhor? It will not be the fault of phony christians who pretend to have family values but vote for a man their own Republican Governor accepts as a child molester over a Democrat .... apparently that category of individual places even lower on the scale of acceptance.... so it will be somebody else fault other than the voters?

Simply Amazing!!!!!!!!
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Remember the days of conservative self-responsibility?

Those days are loooong gone. Now it's the media fault when so called 'family values' Republicans will vote for a serial child predator.
 
MaggieD said:
That’s not a reason.
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Maggie, what happened to the 465123 women who claimed they were assaulted by Trump? Why did they vanish into thin air the day after Trump won the election?
 
HowardBThiname said:
To many on the Left, as well, who warned early on in the campaign that giving Trump all that free advertisement would backfire.

And, of course, it did.
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I strongly suspect that CNN and MSNBC felt that giving Trump all that free air time would be the media equal to the old adage about giving a man enough rope and he will hang himself. They never for a moment expected that there were such large numbers of Americans whose political intelligence was no better than brain dead.

P. T. Barnum is reported to have said "nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American people". Trump proved this in spades regarding their ability to exercise any sort of political smarts.

So YES - I agree that the outlets made a huge mistake with Trump and they are partly responsible for his success .... mostly in the primaries.
 
HowardBThiname said:
To many on the Left, as well, who warned early on in the campaign that giving Trump all that free advertisement would backfire.

And, of course, it did.
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But you are OK with with Fox, Breibart, etc. unabashedly and without shame kissing Trump's ass.. And running phony stories for him. And Trump even hiring Con media personal for his Admin?

But all this is the 'lefts' fault right?

lol
 
Buzz62 said:
I am Buzz62.
If you are not one of these SJW freaks, then I'm sorry for lumping you in with them.
The media will most definitely play a large part in the Alabama election.
The more they talk about Moore as if there's a there there, the better Moore's chances of actually winning.
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WTF do SJWs have to do with what I posted? I said I will blame the voters if Moore wins. The voters are the only ones who can pull the lever or circle in the dot next to his name. The media can't do it for them. You should focus on posts and not go off on massively odd tangents, like you just did.
 
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