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Do Jews, Christians, and Muslims worship the same god.

Yasureoktoo

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This comes up a lot, in a hand wave type of logic.
The God of Abraham

The Jews invented the God as we know it, granted much info came from previous religions, Summarian, etc.
They have the patient on it.

The Christians stole the God from the Jews,
added more Gods to it, changed the rules, and turned on the Jews.

The Muslims then stole the God,
eliminated the Christian Gods, instilled their own prophet,
changed the rules again, and turned on the Jews and the Christians.


Now God is either a wishy/washy schizophrenic, who simply cannot make up his mind.

Or they are different Gods.
 
Yasureoktoo said:
The Jews invented the God as we know it, granted much info came from previous religions, Summarian, etc.
They have the patient on it.
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It's an interesting idea! :peace
And - can you tell us more about previous religions, Summarian, etc. :)
 
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Rumpel said:
It's an interesting idea! :peace
And - can you tell us more about previous religions, Summarian, etc. :)
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Here is one, we can go further.

Aired on TLC on 12/23/04, and many times subsequently, Noah's Ark: The True Story is fairly typical of television programs that depict the Noachian Deluge. The Biblical account is reduced to a local flood in Mesopotamia, while Noah is depicted not as the righteous man of God, but a Sumerian beer trader earning a living on the Euphrates River...

Associates for Biblical Research - Noah's Ark: The True Story?
 
Yasureoktoo said:
The Christians stole the God from the Jews,
added more Gods to it, changed the rules, and turned on the Jews.

The Muslims then stole the God,
eliminated the Christian Gods, instilled their own prophet,
changed the rules again, and turned on the Jews and the Christians.
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You have a point there.
And all this "turning against" is quite sad.
 
Josie said:
Eh?...
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Christians claim to be monotheistic, however there is a monkey wrench in there.

We have God, Jesus,

We have the saints,( lesser Gods), yes people pray to them because of their magical powers.
St Jude for health, St Christopher for travel, etc. etc.

A rose by any other name, is still a rose.
 
And another idea;

What if this God was stolen from a group of "pagan" Gods? :cool:
 
Yasureoktoo said:
Here is one, we can go further.

Aired on TLC on 12/23/04, and many times subsequently, Noah's Ark: The True Story is fairly typical of television programs that depict the Noachian Deluge. The Biblical account is reduced to a local flood in Mesopotamia, while Noah is depicted not as the righteous man of God, but a Sumerian beer trader earning a living on the Euphrates River...

Associates for Biblical Research - Noah's Ark: The True Story?
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One of most basic laws of physics demontrates that the Great Flood of the bible is impossible.

One has to believe in magic for it to be considered true.
 
Rumpel said:
You have a point there.
And all this "turning against" is quite sad.
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History is written by the winners.
If you can totally destroy the original, it never existed.
 
Yasureoktoo said:
Christians claim to be monotheistic, however there is a monkey wrench in there.

We have God, Jesus,

We have the saints,( lesser Gods), yes people pray to them because of their magical powers.
St Jude for health, St Christopher for travel, etc. etc.

A rose by any other name, is still a rose.
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God/Jesus/Holy Spirit aren't three Gods. They're one God.

Saints aren't a Christian (big umbrella) thing -- they're a Catholic (small umbrella) thing.
 
Yasureoktoo said:
History is written by the winners.
If you can totally destroy the original, it never existed.
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Yes, George Orwell's novel "1984" comes to mind.
 
Josie said:
Saints aren't a Christian (big umbrella) thing -- they're a Catholic (small umbrella) thing.
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I object strongly to the idea that Catholics are no Christians.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
One of most basic laws of physics demontrates that the Great Flood of the bible is impossible.

One has to believe in magic for it to be considered true.
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Well actually there is lots of pro and con to that.
When the ice age ended, the sea level rose about 400 feet, burying many seafront cities.
If you are on a island, watching the sea level rise, with your wife poking you,
Honey... It's time to build a boat.
You load your cows, chickens, pigs, and sail to higher ground.

Another theory is when the seawall burst flooding the black sea in a catastrophic flood.
Instantly Wiping out all of their known world in Mesopotamia.
It gives fuel for stories written at a later date.
 
Yasureoktoo said:
This comes up a lot, in a hand wave type of logic.
The God of Abraham

The Jews invented the God as we know it, granted much info came from previous religions, Summarian, etc.
They have the patient on it.

The Christians stole the God from the Jews,
added more Gods to it, changed the rules, and turned on the Jews.

The Muslims then stole the God,
eliminated the Christian Gods, instilled their own prophet,
changed the rules again, and turned on the Jews and the Christians.


Now God is either a wishy/washy schizophrenic, who simply cannot make up his mind.

Or they are different Gods.
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The Bible identifies who worships the True God, Jehovah...those who are obedient...

"For you should obey Jehovah your God by keeping all his commandments that I am commanding you today, thus doing what is right in the eyes of Jehovah your God." Deuteronomy 13:18

"For whoever does the will of my Father who is in heaven, that one is my brother and sister and mother.” Matthew 12:50
 
Josie said:
God/Jesus/Holy Spirit aren't three Gods. They're one God.

Saints aren't a Christian (big umbrella) thing -- they're a Catholic (small umbrella) thing.
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I agree, however we have to remember that Catholic was the main Christian outlet until the mid 1500's.

Now many Christians do not consider Catholic's, Christian.
 
Yasureoktoo said:
Well actually there is lots of pro and con to that.
When the ice age ended, the sea level rose about 400 feet, burying many seafront cities.
If you are on a island, watching the sea level rise, with your wife poking you,
Honey... It's time to build a boat.
You load your cows, chickens, pigs, and sail to higher ground.

Another theory is when the seawall burst flooding the black sea in a catastrophic flood.
Instantly Wiping out all of their known world in Mesopotamia.
It gives fuel for stories written at a later date.
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No, there is no pro or con to it that I can see. It just is.

The Law of Conservation clearly shows the biblical account to be impossible.
 
Let's have a look at the Sumerian religion:

The major deities in the Sumerian pantheon included An, the god of the heavens, Enlil, the god of wind and storm, Enki, the god of water and human culture, Ninhursag, the goddess of fertility and the earth, Utu, the god of the sun and justice, and his father Nanna, the god of the moon. During the Akkadian Period and afterward, Inanna, the goddess of sex, beauty, and warfare, was widely venerated across Sumer and appeared in many myths, including the famous story of her descent into the Underworld.

Sumerian religion heavily influenced the religious beliefs of later Mesopotamian peoples; elements of it are retained in the mythologies and religions of the Hurrians, Akkadians, Babylonians, Assyrians, and other Middle Eastern culture groups. Scholars of comparative mythology have noticed many parallels between the stories of the ancient Sumerians and those recorded later in the early parts of the Hebrew Bible.
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Sumerian religion - Wikipedia
 
Rumpel said:
It's an intersting idea! :peace
And - can you tell us more about previous religions, Summarian, etc. :)
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If you look at the various names of God in the Jewish scriptures, they come from the sumerian religion. This was discovered when they uncovered the urgartic bible (a bunch of clay tablets). Besides showing the Sumarian gods, it also had prayers, many who ended up in the psalms , abet sometimes mistranslated into the Hebrew.
Torah, Ugartic Bible
 
Elvira said:
The Bible identifies who worships the True God, Jehovah...those who are obedient...

"For you should obey Jehovah your God by keeping all his commandments that I am commanding you today, thus doing what is right in the eyes of Jehovah your God." Deuteronomy 13:18

"For whoever does the will of my Father who is in heaven, that one is my brother and sister and mother.” Matthew 12:50
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And who on earth is the TRUE GOD?

*pun intended*
 
RAMOSS said:
If you look at the various names of God in the Jewish scriptures, they come from the sumerian religion. This was discovered when they uncovered the urgartic bible (a bunch of clay tablets). Besides showing the Sumarian gods, it also had prayers, many who ended up in the psalms , abet sometimes mistranslated into the Hebrew.
Torah, Ugartic Bible
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Yes, definitely so! :)
 
Rumpel said:
And who on earth is the TRUE GOD?

*pun intended*
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Probably unanswerable, but IMO, if you are really looking for God, you are not going to find him in a book.
 
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