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US Presidents Anointed By God

COTO said:
"Does not make any kind of logical sense" how?

Most Christians will focus on God's mercy, longsuffering, and willingness to forgive, but the Bible speaks just as much about His awesome fury when the nations provoke him to wrath by lawlessness. The nations are consumed as they behold righteous judgment executed without mercy and God's protection, and people at last understand who He is and why His law is so important.

Many Christians today don't understand this, just as they don't understand, respect, and teach God's law.
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Most Christians promote a merciful and loving God. Putting a madman in charge that kills millions is exactly the opposite4 of merciful and loving.
 
I think christianity is attacking people with morals and integrity and yet for some reason christians are claiming christianity is under attack, go figure?
 
This is what republicans call separation of church and state.
 
COTO said:
.....War and oppression are among the most potent examples of the dire consequences of sin.

The end will be no different for the Israelite-descended nations, one of which is the US, if they continue to go their own way and reject God's perfect law.
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The US is an Israelite-descended nation??? How are you going to explain this to our founding fathers, steeped in classic Greek and Latin literature, political theory, philosophy of government, and the meaning of freedom. How do you explain to yourself that all of our symbolism, mottos and images are Greek or Latin and that our Constitution is based on Greek, Latin and Enlightenment political philosophy. Our founding fathers brought nothing from Christianity in founding a secular United States of America.
 
weaver2 said:
Our founding fathers brought nothing from Christianity in founding a secular United States of America.
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Even if that were true (it isn't), I'm speaking of biological--not philosophical--ancestry.
 
Rising Sun said:
Your fear of religious nutjobs is unreasonable due to the very small number who actually do such things.
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Not according to this journal:

Evolution and Creationism in America's Classrooms: A National Portrait
Of the 25% of teachers who devoted time to creationism or intelligent design, nearly half agreed or strongly agreed that they teach creationism as a “valid scientific alternative to Darwinian explanations for the origin of species.” Nearly the same number agreed or strongly agreed that when they teach creationism or intelligent design they emphasize that “many reputable scientists view these as valid alternatives to Darwinian Theory” (see Table S3).

Do you think it's a good idea to be indoctrinating children into a group whose instructions say to kill those not in the group, in public schools?

In the last 10 years, how many Americans, out of 325M, have been killed, burned or blown up by religious nutjobs? I'll wait while you research it....but doubt you will.
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As I pointed out in the post you responded to, the fundamental religious can negatively effect society in many ways. For example, by indoctrinating children into groups whose instruction books order them to kill those outside the group.

And why limit it to 10 years? Sarah Palin, when she was a leader of the Republican party, said invading Iraq was said invading Iraq was part of "God's plan". GWB is said to have told people that "God told me to invade Iraq". So, a million people dead, thanks to instructions from their god.

Could you answer this question:

If you were black, and had to live next to KKK members, or people who knew and hung around with White Supremacists and racists, do you think it would be unreasonable to be fearful?

If you worked at an abortion clinic targeted by fundamental Christians, and were accused you of being a murderer every day you went to work, do you think it would be unreasonable to be fearful?


Most people don't hate others, but, especially on political forums, it's not unusual to see person foaming at the mouth with hatred towards one group or another. It's sad, but it's the way they are. Not all are violent, but if there is violence from someone, it will certainly be among these poor souls who hate with such venom and unreasonable emotion.
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Those are the instructions given in the bible and the Qur'an: To kill non-believers. I would argue that the more religious someone is, the more likely they are to believe that these are instructions from god, and that they should be followed. What do you think?
 
JustHanging said:
Not according to this journal:

Evolution and Creationism in America's Classrooms: A National Portrait
Of the 25% of teachers who devoted time to creationism or intelligent design, nearly half agreed or strongly agreed that they teach creationism as a “valid scientific alternative to Darwinian explanations for the origin of species.” Nearly the same number agreed or strongly agreed that when they teach creationism or intelligent design they emphasize that “many reputable scientists view these as valid alternatives to Darwinian Theory” (see Table S3).

Do you think it's a good idea to be indoctrinating children into a group whose instructions say to kill those not in the group, in public schools?



As I pointed out in the post you responded to, the fundamental religious can negatively effect society in many ways. For example, by indoctrinating children into groups whose instruction books order them to kill those outside the group.

And why limit it to 10 years? Sarah Palin, when she was a leader of the Republican party, said invading Iraq was said invading Iraq was part of "God's plan". GWB is said to have told people that "God told me to invade Iraq". So, a million people dead, thanks to instructions from their god.

Could you answer this question:

If you were black, and had to live next to KKK members, or people who knew and hung around with White Supremacists and racists, do you think it would be unreasonable to be fearful?

If you worked at an abortion clinic targeted by fundamental Christians, and were accused you of being a murderer every day you went to work, do you think it would be unreasonable to be fearful?




Those are the instructions given in the bible and the Qur'an: To kill non-believers. I would argue that the more religious someone is, the more likely they are to believe that these are instructions from god, and that they should be followed. What do you think?
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Another reason why the US is falling as the world leader in science. The Chinese will be on the Moon, and probably stay, before the US. This is bad for the long term national health of the United States.

FWIW, I believe God created the heavens and the Earth. This means all of the laws of physics inside our Universe. Unlike you, I don't believe the Earth is only 6,000 years old. I believe God is powerful enough to have created the Big Bang over 13B years ago and know what would happen over time just like a farmer who sows corn in the Spring knows what he will reap in the Fall.

You are taking the words of men written down over 4000 years ago and using them to limit God. By pushing a Biblical literalist point of view, you are denying God's creation:
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Rising Sun said:
Another reason why the US is falling as the world leader in science. The Chinese will be on the Moon, and probably stay, before the US. This is bad for the long term national health of the United States.

FWIW, I believe God created the heavens and the Earth. This means all of the laws of physics inside our Universe. Unlike you, I don't believe the Earth is only 6,000 years old. I believe God is powerful enough to have created the Big Bang over 13B years ago and know what would happen over time just like a farmer who sows corn in the Spring knows what he will reap in the Fall.

You are taking the words of men written down over 4000 years ago and using them to limit God. By pushing a Biblical literalist point of view, you are denying God's creation:
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Fair enough. Good answer.

Just so you know, whenever I'm discussing the bible, I do it from the main Christian point of view, ie that the bible is "god breathed," and thus accurately reflects the biblical god's intentions.
 
JustHanging said:
Fair enough. Good answer.

Just so you know, whenever I'm discussing the bible, I do it from the main Christian point of view, ie that the bible is "god breathed," and thus accurately reflects the biblical god's intentions.
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You are free to discuss the Bible from your "main Christian point of view", but that's not necessarily the main view and certainly not the only view as the facts prove below. FWIW, I'm among the 47%.

Record Few Americans Believe Bible Is Literal Word of God
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TheParser said:
1. I cannot believe in "God" because of the unspeakable tragedies that mark everyone's life in one way or another.

2. BUT I envy those people who are able to convince themselves that "God" exists. It gives them the strength to endure this brief nightmare called life.

3. So if they think that "God" anoints our presidents, then bless their little hearts.

4. Personally, I find it rather offensive, for example, to think that "God" anointed Abraham Lincoln, who went on to conduct a four-year war that took the lives of least 600,000 young men.
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I believe President Trump exists. Gods not so much

British monarchs actually get anointed by the Archbish of Canterbury with some magic gunge at their coronations. So how was it possible for those Yank rebels to win their so called War of Independence? I've often wondered
 
Logicman said:
The anti-Jesus 3 ring circus is back.
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I'm sure you, the anti-logic poster, will have some funny things to say. Circuses need people to make the crowd laugh. :)
 
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JustHanging said:
So what's your methodology for deciding if verses are purely written by man, or if they are "god breathed" and convey god's message?
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They are all written by man although I think some come closer to the truth than others by virtue of being a universally recognized truism. Have you noticed how the Evangelistas love to dip into the Old Testament and, occasionally quote from the New Testament except for the Gospels? How often do Evangelistas actually quote Christ versus the OT and non-Gospel NT? One out of ten? One out of a hundred? I think the latter number is closer.
 
Rising Sun said:
They are all written by man although I think some come closer to the truth than others by virtue of being a universally recognized truism. Have you noticed how the Evangelistas love to dip into the Old Testament and, occasionally quote from the New Testament except for the Gospels? How often do Evangelistas actually quote Christ versus the OT and non-Gospel NT? One out of ten? One out of a hundred? I think the latter number is closer.
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You're blind if you think believers don't quote from the Gospels. I do all the time when called for.

Get a new canard.

John 3:36
 
Logicman said:
You're blind if you think believers don't quote from the Gospels. I do all the time when called for.

Get a new canard.

John 3:36
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Ah, the repetition of the mindless rhetoric of a false writing to self congradulate themselves.
 
Logicman said:
You're blind if you think believers don't quote from the Gospels. I do all the time when called for.

Get a new canard.

John 3:36
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Did I say "believers"? The fact you are twisting my words is proof you are bearing false witness. That's a major sin for a real believer.
 
Rising Sun said:
Did I say "believers"? The fact you are twisting my words is proof you are bearing false witness. That's a major sin for a real believer.
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Talk about bearing false witness. Here's what you actually wrote:

"Have you noticed how the Evangelistas love to dip into the Old Testament and, occasionally quote from the New Testament except for the Gospels?"

And don't even try to tell me evangelist's aren't believers.
 
Logicman said:
Talk about bearing false witness. Here's what you actually wrote:

"Have you noticed how the Evangelistas love to dip into the Old Testament and, occasionally quote from the New Testament except for the Gospels?"

And don't even try to tell me evangelist's aren't believers.
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Evangelists are a subgroup of believers. Not all believers are Evangelicals as you tried to make it appear:
Logicman said:
You're blind if you think believers don't quote from the Gospels. I do all the time when called for.

Get a new canard.

John 3:36
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