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Logician Man

Logician Man

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A parent informing/encouraging their offspring that it is OK to ask questions about religious dogma validity, as their offspring go through their truth seeking journey on matters of religion, since there is no way to definitively prove, or disprove, whether or not religious claims are verifiable ?
 
Logician Man said:
A parent informing/encouraging their offspring that it is OK to ask questions about religious dogma validity, as their offspring go through their truth seeking journey on matters of religion, since there is no way to definitively prove, or disprove, whether or not religious claims are verifiable ?
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At what age? I'd say yes,, assuming the child has matured enough to rationally defend his/her decision.
 
Logician Man said:
A parent informing/encouraging their offspring that it is OK to ask questions about religious dogma validity, as their offspring go through their truth seeking journey on matters of religion, since there is no way to definitively prove, or disprove, whether or not religious claims are verifiable ?
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Of course it is and it should be encouraged.
 
Bullseye said:
At what age? I'd say yes,, assuming the child has matured enough to rationally defend his/her decision.
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I think the age varies, depending on the parent, and, more importantly, the child's mental maturity, but for purposes of this thread, let's go with what I think most folks consider the 'age of accountability' to be....around 12 years old.
 
Logician Man said:
A parent informing/encouraging their offspring that it is OK to ask questions about religious dogma validity, as their offspring go through their truth seeking journey on matters of religion, since there is no way to definitively prove, or disprove, whether or not religious claims are verifiable ?
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If a parent has raised his offspring right, he's going ask all those questions without ever being prodded, matter of fact he will be asking them of dear old Dad/ Mom's notions about faith or its lack, at the same time. Growing up to physical and intellectual maturity is about challenging authority, including religious and parental authority.
 
Logician Man said:
A parent informing/encouraging their offspring that it is OK to ask questions about religious dogma validity, as their offspring go through their truth seeking journey on matters of religion, since there is no way to definitively prove, or disprove, whether or not religious claims are verifiable ?
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No, there is nothing wrong with that.


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Logician Man said:
A parent informing/encouraging their offspring that it is OK to ask questions about religious dogma validity, as their offspring go through their truth seeking journey on matters of religion, since there is no way to definitively prove, or disprove, whether or not religious claims are verifiable ?
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I don't think a parent can stop it, even they wanted to...a child's thirst for knowledge is inevitable...
 
Elvira said:
...a child's thirst for knowledge is inevitable...
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So is their desire to seek the approval of their zealously ideological parents.


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Omega Man said:
So is their desire to seek the approval of their zealously ideological parents.


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lol...I take it you don't have children...
 
Logician Man said:
A parent informing/encouraging their offspring that it is OK to ask questions about religious dogma validity, as their offspring go through their truth seeking journey on matters of religion, since there is no way to definitively prove, or disprove, whether or not religious claims are verifiable ?
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I think there is a way to form the topic so that their children develop with an open mind about their religious "beliefs" and "faith." But, more important is that questions will naturally arise because of our secular and godless educational system that denies God. Our children get 6 hours or more a day, 5 days a week for 10 months every year for 12 years and into college studying anti-religion and God. As parents, we have much less time with our children teaching them about God and their religion and how to receive a testimony and keep a testimony strong. So, we don't need to do anymore encouraging to deny God and their religious beliefs. We need to make sure they know how to find answers to questions atheists bring up to strengthen their testimonies of the truthfulness of the Gospel of Jesus Christ for instance. This doesn't mean we should be against them asking questions. But, they should ask with a sincere heart wanting to know and be willing to study both sides of an issue they may have with their religion or with God.
 
Elvira said:
lol...I take it you don't have children...
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I do have children. And believe it or not, I too was the child of a zealously ideological parent. That took quite a long time to undo.

I'm going to assume the same of you, seeing as you don't seem to understand how children deeply desire their parent's approval over almost anything else.


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Omega Man said:
I do have children. And believe it or not, I too was the child of a zealously ideological parent. That took quite a long time to undo.


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Believe it or not, you are not my child nor do you know how I raised my children, so you have no idea how they were raised...I am sorry your parents were so rigid with you, perhaps things would have been different if they hadn't been, as it was for my children...they may stray but as they grow up, they also wise up, too...

"Train a boy in the way he should go;
Even when he grows old he will not depart from it." Proverbs 22:6
 
Elvira said:
lol...I take it you don't have children...
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Ya, I'd have to agree with you. As a Christian, I trained up my children in the doctrine of Christ so that as they became older they could govern themselves. The interesting thing is that even my most rebellious child, now 39 years old, governs himself with good principles that Christ's church teaches people to live as good citizens. He questions the existence of God, but is also a good citizen and good person as well. Some of his buddies who didn't have the religious upbringing he had have been in and out of jail, drugs, alcohol abuse and other problems while he hasn't. At some point in time, since we trained him up well in the Lord, he may have an opportunity in the future to desire and need God. He will know how to find God even if we aren't here to help him.
 
Elvira said:
Believe it or not, you are not my child nor do you know how I raised my children, so you have no idea how they were raised...I am sorry your parents were so rigid with you, perhaps things would have been different if they hadn't been, as it was for my children...they may stray but as they grow up, they also wise up, too...

"Train a boy in the way he should go;
Even when he grows old he will not depart from it." Proverbs 22:6
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You keep making a lot of faulty ASSumptions; none of which are even remotely accurate.


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Cougarbear said:
I think there is a way to form the topic so that their children develop with an open mind about their religious "beliefs" and "faith." But, more important is that questions will naturally arise because of our secular and godless educational system that denies God. Our children get 6 hours or more a day, 5 days a week for 10 months every year for 12 years and into college studying anti-religion and God. As parents, we have much less time with our children teaching them about God and their religion and how to receive a testimony and keep a testimony strong. So, we don't need to do anymore encouraging to deny God and their religious beliefs. We need to make sure they know how to find answers to questions atheists bring up to strengthen their testimonies of the truthfulness of the Gospel of Jesus Christ for instance. This doesn't mean we should be against them asking questions. But, they should ask with a sincere heart wanting to know and be willing to study both sides of an issue they may have with their religion or with God.
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I've got children, grand children.and great grand children, as well as my personal experience in a public educational system. None of the 4 generations in my family have 'ever' stated they heard anyone, with any authority, put forth any rhetoric encouraging anyone to 'deny any God (s ). However, I have attended churches and heard other Christians claim that Mormons are 'not' real Christians and follow a false prophet.
 
Omega Man said:
I do have children. And believe it or not, I too was the child of a zealously ideological parent. That took quite a long time to undo.

I'm going to assume the same of you, seeing as you don't seem to understand how children deeply desire their parent's approval over almost anything else.


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Did you really undo what you were taught? Have you become a detriment to our civilization by becoming a criminal, drug user and basically a really bad person? I assume probably not. The religious teachings aren't just about doctrine and ordinance work. It's about life and relating to other people with kindness and respect. Did you drop those tenants of Christianity? Probably not.

It's true that children want the approval of their parents as long as their parents deserve their approval. But, children grow up and without a testimony of what they have been taught about the Gospel or some other religion, then they may fall away as you have while keeping the good living tenants you were taught. I know parents who will drive their children to church each week but not attend themselves so that their children will get a well grounded teaching and learning of good morals and ethics. We had many non-members to our Church bring their kids to our scouting program because of our high moral and ethic standards and teachings.

But, what I do know is that children don't continue on into their adulthood being active in their parent's Church if they don't have a testimony of some good truths they get from attendance. But, I also know that adults who were brought up in their parent's Church aren't upset to continue their religion and teach their children too when they do believe and have faith in their religion.
 
Logician Man said:
I've got children, grand children.and great grand children, as well as my personal experience in a public educational system. None of the 4 generations in my family have 'ever' stated they heard anyone, with any authority, put forth any rhetoric encouraging anyone to 'deny any God (s ).
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In fairness to CB, there is the teaching of evolution, LM...that pretty much denies God's role in man's existence...and for a JW, child there's even more...holiday celebrations, for one...a lot of them are tied up in pagan beliefs...
 
Omega Man said:
You keep making a lot of faulty ASSumptions; none of which are even remotely accurate.


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Yet, you don't clear up those things you claim are faulty assumptions. So, it's hard to believe what you write. Perhaps being less vague might help.
 
Logician Man said:
I think the age varies, depending on the parent, and, more importantly, the child's mental maturity, but for purposes of this thread, let's go with what I think most folks consider the 'age of accountability' to be....around 12 years old.
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I agree. My question was rhetorical. Twelve sounds reasonable.
 
Cougarbear said:
Yet, you don't clear up those things you claim are faulty assumptions. So, it's hard to believe what you write. Perhaps being less vague might help.
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Why is it MY fault when another person goes OUT OF THEIR WAY to make HUGE assumptions that went beyond the scope of my otherwise complete sentences? Judge what I say, not what I didn't say.

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Elvira said:
In fairness to CB, there is the teaching of evolution, LM...that pretty much denies God's role in man's existence...and for a JW, child there's even more...holiday celebrations, for one...a lot of them are tied up in pagan beliefs...
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You certainly have a point there E. But I don't recall any secular teachers stating, or claiming, that evolution directly is in conflict with biblical teachings. Indeed, we've seen believers from various Christian sects in this very forum state the two are not mutually exclusive.
 
Logician Man said:
I've got children, grand children.and great grand children, as well as my personal experience in a public educational system. None of the 4 generations in my family have 'ever' stated they heard anyone, with any authority, put forth any rhetoric encouraging anyone to 'deny any God (s ). However, I have attended churches and heard other Christians claim that Mormons are 'not' real Christians and follow a false prophet.
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Oh? The entire concept of CORE education is to deny God. It's a product of the old USSR education system of Stalin and Lenin. The fact that our education system has been leaving out the Bible, prayer and other teachings of the Bible is encouraging the denial of God. The current education system teaches the validity and acceptance of many evil and vile moral sins. Adultery, abortion on demand, homosexual behavior, transgender behavior and many more things of evil and sin. Teaching against God and the things of God is teaching to deny God and do evil. Teaching socialism as a good thing which many high schools and universities are now teaching is evil and against God. There's a lot more too.
 
Omega Man said:
Why is it MY fault when another person goes OUT OF THEIR WAY to make HUGE assumptions that went beyond the scope of my otherwise complete sentences? Judge what I say, not what I didn't say.

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The sin of omission is just as bad and may be worse than the sin of commission. In this thread, as well with others, you use being vague as a weapon to draw people into assumptions. You don't fool me but you do others. Why not just spit out truth instead of hiding the truth?
 
Cougarbear said:
The sin of omission is just as bad and may be worse than the sin of commission. In this thread, as well with others, you use being vague as a weapon to draw people into assumptions. You don't fool me but you do others. Why not just spit out truth instead of hiding the truth?
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What the heck are you even talking about? I don't see anybody else divulging every detail of their life in any given response here, so why am I being singled out? This is getting absurd.

ETA: And that you choose to concentrate on me, rather than recognize the fact somebody was making ASSumptions speaks volumes as to just how strong confirmation bias is.


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